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Old Posted Sep 19, 2017, 12:33 PM
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London (official city proper) is currently growing by 120,000 a year, and the metro by even more. It's the only Western megacity growing on a par with the Developing World ones.

As mentioned before it remains to be seen whether Brexit will stifle growth or even propel it (akin to the depopulation of smaller rustbelt/ low birthrate towns in Japan, Russia, Germany etc as the youth en masse head toward the capital instead). The current crashing market in house prices that Brexit is engineering, also looks likely to draw more people into the city, and less people to sell on and move off - but all this may be offset by hundreds of thousands of international jobs leaving the city as HQ ops head elsewhere (Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, Amsterdam), alongside the millions of EU citizens.

In short, very variable from now on.

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Old Posted Sep 19, 2017, 4:19 PM
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For (Metro) Houston:
2017: 6,928,233
2018: 7,086,277

Fast Growth Scenario:
2037: 10,803,986
2038: 11,037,606

Moderate Growth Scenario:
2037: 8,653,298
2038: 8,756,498

(Statistics from the Greater Houston Partnership)
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Because LA keeps hitting 4 million since 2007. So by 20 years, you'll get news stories every single year for 10 years about how LA has reached another 700K over and over again.

LA population passes 4 million (2008)
Yeah I wonder what the true population is. LA seems to be a census/statistics Bermuda Triangle. That's why everytime I looked at the stats for the years to come, I was like ... isn't it 4 million already? Started doubting myself given the statistics being different depending on the source.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 12:38 AM
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London (official city proper) is currently growing by 120,000 a year, and the metro by even more.
That's quite fast. Going back to Texan cities, I think they could pull it off. London being a case study of an expensive region, yet they are adding a great deal of new residents. With a footprint similar to Houston in sq-miles.

If the economic conditions are right, jobs are there, the desire will somewhat offset prices. Surely the cities have the land. City limits is kinda what I'm leaning towards.

Dallas is 385 sq miles. Houston is 627 sq miles. Lots of room for growth, housing, expansion.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2017, 10:44 AM
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Yep, it's all about the inflow-outflow balance. London's last peak population was in 1939, at 8.7 million, before wartime evacuation, de-industrialisation, then postwar suburbanisation (as the garden suburbs went mainstream) saw the city shrink to 6.4 million by the 1980s (while its metro climbed). The move to services saw 1/8 of London - the industry and docks, fall derelict, with rising unemployment, destitution and crime.

Then came the 1987 Big Bang and the reclamation of the industrial/ dockland areas, and the rise in pioneering youth culture and the creative industries (Cool Britannia, EDM, Brit Art), which in turn saw it start becoming a magnet again to the country's youth, immigrants and tourists - and the resultant series of housing bubbles. It only overtook its former peak in 2015, and now stands at 8.9 million.

At the moment the outflow is of the working and middle classes, as the Inner City ring (poor council housing) sells on for a huge profit thanks to its proximity to the centre, and the former residents retire to the leafier suburbs and metro towns. London is seeing 'White flight', 'Black flight' and South Asian 'flight' at the same time, with some of its largest communities fast evaporating (Caribbeans down from 700,000 to 200,000 for starters), Jews, Irish, Bengalis and Sikhs also being notable losses. EU citizens are also starting to leave in droves.

Incoming the other direction is of course White gain as the nations youth head toward the capital for jobs, as they always have done (often the kids of those who left before), the long standing immigration from Africa, South Asia, Eastern Europe (still, despite the looming Brexit), and a panoply of the rich from across the globe - China, India, ME, LatAm and West Africa. Add to all this the seemingly neverending baby boom that started in the early noughties.

This has resulted in a net gain - the lure of the capital thanks to global PR to immigrants and the 1%, and a youth bank of 65 million Britons on the rest of the island. But could very easily change. Brexit may destroy the biggest immigrant contingent (EU), which the city (and country) relies on as its most lucrative workers, and biggest tax contributors in society, and thus the attraction to the rest (immigrants, foreign investment, 1%) as economic malaise sets in. But the huge hinterland that is the rest of the country will still send its youth continually in droves to offset it, and less Londoners will be able to sell on at profit, and thus less likely to retire from the city proper.

How big is Texas' 'hinterland' - does it draw newcomers from outside the state? And it must also be drawing a huge amount from across the US border also I imagine.

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London (official city proper) is currently growing by 120,000 a year, and the metro by even more.

As mentioned before it remains to be seen whether Brexit will stifle growth or even propel it (akin to the depopulation of smaller rustbelt/ low birthrate towns in Japan, Russia, Germany etc as the youth en masse head toward the capital instead). The current crashing market in house prices that Brexit is engineering, also looks likely to draw more people into the city, and less people to sell on and move off - but all this may be offset by hundreds of thousands of international jobs leaving the city as HQ ops head elsewhere (Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin, Amsterdam), alongside the millions of EU citizens.

In short, very variable from now on.
Just wondering but what is the source of the growth in London? Is it from other parts of the UK, immigrants from around the world or a combination of both?
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Just wondering but what is the source of the growth in London? Is it from other parts of the UK, immigrants from around the world or a combination of both?
Both. And "natural growth" is actually bigger than net migration, though that is largely a knock on effect from prior immigration (i.e., non-White British families having lots of kids).
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Austin is expected to pass San Antonio by 2040 to become the 3rd largest city in Texas. This also says Dallas will drop from number 1 to number 2 in Texas. This is for the metro population:

https://www.austinapartmentsnow.com/...cast-for-2040/
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The population of Austin-Round Rock in 2015 was 2,000,860 and the population in 2040 is projected to be 3,971,820, which is a 98.5% change.
Austin's city population typically doubles every 20 years.

These are the historical metro populations of Austin plus the projections:

1960 - 301,261
1970 - 398,938
1980 - 585,051
1990 - 846,227
2000 - 1,249,763
2010 - 1,716,289
2020 - 2,306,857
2030 - 2,947,700
2040 - 3,971,820
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Kind of sad. I enjoyed going to school in Durham when it was a small city and Chapel Hill was a nice college town.
Nah, don't be. Durham has really bloomed in the past few years with crime decreasing and a real renaissance of the arts and food scene and a new tallest tower under construction and light rail about to start construction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tROD8wlw_l8
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Austin is expected to pass San Antonio by 2040 to become the 3rd largest city in Texas. This also says Dallas will drop from number 1 to number 2 in Texas. This is for the metro population:

https://www.austinapartmentsnow.com/...cast-for-2040/


Austin's city population typically doubles every 20 years.

These are the historical metro populations of Austin plus the projections:

1960 - 301,261
1970 - 398,938
1980 - 585,051
1990 - 846,227
2000 - 1,249,763
2010 - 1,716,289
2020 - 2,306,857
2030 - 2,947,700
2040 - 3,971,820
this is insane! i'm skeptical that the current boomtowns will continue to boom at the same pace, however. there are too many smaller cities in this spread out country that will begin to pick up....i imagine in the northern mountain west and highland south.
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Don’t Texas cities have some pretty strong annexation powers?
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Don’t Texas cities have some pretty strong annexation powers?
Not so much anymore. When Houston annexed Kingwood in 1997, it was met with a lot of opposition and the state made the process much more difficult as a result.
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Austin is expected to pass San Antonio by 2040 to become the 3rd largest city in Texas. This also says Dallas will drop from number 1 to number 2 in Texas. This is for the metro population:

https://www.austinapartmentsnow.com/...cast-for-2040/


Austin's city population typically doubles every 20 years.

These are the historical metro populations of Austin plus the projections:

1960 - 301,261
1970 - 398,938
1980 - 585,051
1990 - 846,227
2000 - 1,249,763
2010 - 1,716,289
2020 - 2,306,857
2030 - 2,947,700
2040 - 3,971,820
I've lived in Austin before, so my question to current residents:

Where are 2 million more people going to live and how could the metro function without HUGE investments? Like billions upon billions in transportation upgrades.
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Ottawa's metro will most likely hit 2.0 million or just shy of that in 20 years.
Slow and steady here.
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London’s (the city, not urban or metro) population in 2016 stood at 8,787,892, and based on the current GLA forecast trend:
2027: 9,891,126
2037: 10,654,153

Unfortunately I don’t believe that there are detailed projections for the two regions (the East and South East) that surround London, but they have experienced strong growth as well.
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this is insane! i'm skeptical that the current boomtowns will continue to boom at the same pace, however. there are too many smaller cities in this spread out country that will begin to pick up....i imagine in the northern mountain west and highland south.
If there's one place that could accommodate explosive growth it's Texas. Endless easily developable land, strong immigration, high birthrates, relatively less regulations compared to other regions, huge coastline, multiple large cities.

Texas 2040 population projection is 36 to 44 million people depending on growth models. It is easy to imagine 40 million people by 2040, which would about 12 million more than what is there now.

Most of that growth is projected to occur in the suburban counties surrounding Austin, Houston and DFW. It's not a stretch for Austin to soak up 15+% of Texas' overall growth over the next few decades.
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I've lived in Austin before, so my question to current residents:

Where are 2 million more people going to live and how could the metro function without HUGE investments? Like billions upon billions in transportation upgrades.
I've wondered the same thing. Unless they get a real mass transit system going we have a real problem on our hands. It seems that everyone is really relying on self driving cars to save the day. I don't see that happening. As well even if we have self driving cars we will still need some type of transit for the people who can't afford it. We're screwed. The only thing that will be different is that Ih35 will have 5lanes through dt. That won't be enough according to the predictions.
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Not bad. I hope Chicago starts seeing growth again, but interestingly talk lately has begun again about annexation given the dire situation of many inner ring suburbs. That alone could lead to a population gain for the city.
What is the dire situation of inner ring suburbs? I wasn't sure what you meant.
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