Dense Areas Outside CBDs in American Cities / Dense Suburbs - Page 6

Sun Belt · #**101** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 5:32 PM**

Tampa -- only 4 floors though
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9400...7i13312!8i6656

mhays · #**102** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by cjreisen

Can you provide examples? I'd love to see. I'm most interested in intersections that are surrounded on all four corners by this style of development.

Four corners is a high bar (will be less hard if photos were taken today, or better yet in a year), but here's examples from one of Downtown Bellevue's lowrise districts.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6101...HzoBU0e5Og!2e0

Two blocks away: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6101...RgkGRXasTg!2e0

Half a mile away in the other corner of Downtown Bellevue: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6193...MNnWaWSHJQ!2e0

I can post construction photos from other threads at another time, covering other areas.

cjreisen · #**103** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 5:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Tampa -- only 4 floors though
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9400...7i13312!8i6656

funny you mention tampa, here's an excellent example in tampa of what i am looking for

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9500...7i13312!8i6656

cjreisen · #**104** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 5:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

Four corners is a high bar (will be less hard if photos were taken today, or better yet in a year), but here's examples from one of Downtown Bellevue's lowrise districts.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6101...HzoBU0e5Og!2e0

Two blocks away: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6101...RgkGRXasTg!2e0

Half a mile away in the other corner of Downtown Bellevue: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6193...MNnWaWSHJQ!2e0

I can post construction photos from other threads at another time, covering other areas.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS, you get it, this is perfect, that's right along the lines of what I'm looking for, if only it was more consistently on all sides of the street. But wow, looks like Bellevue is quickly densifying and become its own city independent of Seattle.

Steely Dan · #**105** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 5:48 PM**

i think the closest thing to the OP requirements in evanston would be the main/chicago intersection.

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0337...7i13312!8i6656

but even then, these buildings don't take up full blocks because it's pretty hard to develop full blocks anywhere in evanston because they typically don't exist anywhere as blank slates. you're always dealing with lots of existing buildings and different property owners.

urban infill redevelopment pretty much everywhere in urbanish chicagoland is smaller scale and more fine-grained than that block-eating "texas donut" stuff because the existing development is already fairly built up and "spoken for" so to say. it's just much, MUCH harder to get sole control over the type of lot sizes required for those types of developments.

mhays · #**106** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 5:58 PM**

Depends. Former strip malls and sprawly lowrise offices are easy to redevelop with large lots. It gets harder if you're Evanston or Kirkland where it's really about densifying an area that's already urban and cohesive.

Aerial of central Kirkland: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6764.../data=!3m1!1e3

Sun Belt · #**107** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by cjreisen

funny you mention tampa, here's an excellent example in tampa of what i am looking for

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9500...7i13312!8i6656

I was going to provide link to this exact area!

subterranean · #**108** Posted **Sep 29, 2017, 6:39 PM**

^ It's so interesting how the vernacular changes in the south. I've always wanted to explore the St. Pete/Tampa area. I even lived in SW Florida for a time and never spent any time there. One day...

homebucket · #**109** Posted **Oct 2, 2017, 7:51 PM**

SF. 4 corners-ish

https://goo.gl/maps/Ho7DBK34BUR2

https://goo.gl/maps/bnRWMuz6YDn

cjreisen · #**110** Posted **Oct 2, 2017, 8:32 PM**

LOVE IT^^ That's an excellent, precise example of what I'm looking for. Looks awesome, I highlighted that to visit next time I'm in SF

Illithid Dude · #**111** Posted **Oct 3, 2017, 7:51 PM**

A photo by fellow forumer Hunter Kerhart of Century City in Los Angeles. I'll try to find a wider view later. That pit in the middle of the photo will soon contain two more five hundred foot tall towers.

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New Century Plaza by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr[/IMG]

Edit: Here we go!

Century City:

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10000 Santa Monica Blvd by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr[/IMG]

Showing how far Century City is from downtown, as well as displaying the equally dense Wilshire Corridor that connect the two urban centers.

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10000 Santa Monica Blvd & DTLA by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr[/IMG]

And here is Hollywood, a separate node than either of these urban centers. This is a couple miles to the north, and certainly no easy feat to get to during most hours of the day. This also isn't perhaps the best photo to show the scope of Hollywood, but know that it is a dense and walkable neighborhood full of 10-20 story towers with multiple more under construction as we speak, and even more planned.

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1755 Argyle by HunterKerhart.com, on Flickr[/IMG]

cjreisen · #**112** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 1:16 PM**

So I guess most people don't know of any examples of this in their city. I guess TBD on this being more prevalent in America.

LouisVanDerWright · #**113** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 2:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by cjreisen

^^ While all nice areas none of these really fit the criteria I mentioned though. That being 5-10 story buildings that meet the street, think of both sides of the street having builfings with no setbacks that nearly mirror each other in height. I just mean European style density, but everything you showed was nice, but distinctly north american style.

Here are some other exmples of what I mean in chicago:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8684...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8821...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8813...7i13312!8i6656

Chicago is probably a bad city to look for this in though since it's grid and lack of surface lots isn't really codusive to the "courtyard style building" that typically allows that style of density.

The link below is to the panther island plan in Fort Worth, which shows the development style I'd ideally like to see, though it barely exists in the US:

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net...8949469d_b.jpg

So you are basically looking for all of Chicago along the lakefront North of downtown and from Hyde Park to the state line. The North Side, from downtown out:

Lincoln Park: https://goo.gl/maps/eZc3BF53AXC2

Lake View: https://goo.gl/maps/7rPuoECnP852

Uptown: https://goo.gl/maps/DqgukAePxdz

Edgewater: https://goo.gl/maps/vmmizPmvUMR2

Rogers park: https://goo.gl/maps/Ub8bnWnzmXk

To the South, there's a big gap between downtown and Kenwood where urban renewal destroyed the original neighborhoods, but picking up from the edge of this:

Kenwood: https://goo.gl/maps/HpdRptdGCDy

Hyde Park: https://goo.gl/maps/XJQowiYMeN72

Woodlawn: https://goo.gl/maps/GBhrTH7cea92

South Shore: https://goo.gl/maps/ATSVDSnoHVJ2

There's literally miles of this stuff in Chicago. South Shore and Rogers Park are both about 8-10 miles from the Loop.

Bonus Edgewater just for Steely:

https://goo.gl/maps/VM3JqKNQ63D2

mhays · #**114** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 3:36 PM**

I was only thinking suburbs, and only lowrise/midrise density, not highrises. Can do more as time permits.

destroycreate · #**115** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 4:44 PM**

LouisVanDerWright · #**116** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by mhays

I was only thinking suburbs, and only lowrise/midrise density, not highrises. Can do more as time permits.

Well how do you define a suburb then? In Chicago it's totally arbitrary relics of politics 100 year ago. Most neighborhoods here were once suburbs (Edgewater was built before it was part of Chicago, so was Uptown, Rogers Park, Lakeview, etc). Many of the inner suburbs here may as well be just another neighborhood but were never annexed because the political momentum of annexation petered out after the 1920's. None of the areas I mentioned are anywhere near being part of the CBD and are, very dense, somewhat European, urban neighborhoods. If Chicago never annexed a single one of them they would all look substantially as they do today, maybe better as blight might have been more contained after WWII with less urban renewal. Some of these areas are 8-10 miles outside of the CBD.

mhays · #**117** Posted **Oct 4, 2017, 5:04 PM**

There's no single description of a suburb. But my examples were outside the city limits.

destroy's examples are pretty close to the CBD. Time permitting I'll add examples like the U District, Ballard, Fremont, West Seattle Junction, etc.

chris08876 · #**118** Posted **Oct 5, 2017, 11:49 PM**

Swire: Brickell On Track To Become Second Most Densely Populated Area In America

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Brickell will soon become the second densest neighborhood in the United States, according to Swire Properties.

“By the time all of the residential projects being built in Brickell are finished, which will be in the next two or three years, Brickell will be the densest residential neighborhood in the U.S. after Manhattan,” Swire CEO Guy Bradley told investors at conference last week.

“Ten years ago nobody would have thought that possible. It’s absolutely staggering.”

Swire remains highly bullish on Miami, and particularly Brickell, which the company sees as becoming the center of the area. The company is now looking at additional development opportunities around Brickell.

The developer has already invested about $1 billion in the first phase of Brickell City Centre, Bradley said, and believes that there has already been another $1 billion invested in surrounding real estate projects.

The second phase of Brickell City Centre, currently in permitting, will more than double the scale of the project “as of when we decide to kick that off.” It will be contained in a single 80-story tower, which Bradley said required special FAA approval.

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Shawn · #**119** Posted **Oct 6, 2017, 1:07 AM**

That Brickell article is a bit misleading in my opinion. Maybe the built density will be the highest among non-Manhattan residential areas in the US, but the actual population density on any given day sure as hell won't be. Half those units will be empty for extended periods throughout the year.

I don't see Brickell having higher population densities than places like Fenway in Boston (106,000 pp sq mile of year-round residents), for example.

chris08876 · #**120** Posted **Oct 6, 2017, 1:47 AM**

In terms of a residential pop essentially being in that CBD "Brickell", it's still quite impressive. CBD's with high res population such as Center City on Philly, Lower M, I guess Koreatown might count too. Brickell is getting there.

I think often the case with American cities is that the CBD is lifeless after hours bar a few, but some cities are seeing this change. Might throw Seattle in the mix as a place with a high res population in what would be considered its CBD.