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View Poll Results: What does the Eastern United States include?
All of the Northeast, Midwest and South 5 5.95%
East of the Mississippi River 25 29.76%
Eastern time zone 21 25.00%
The Northeast and South Atlantic states 18 21.43%
The Northeast states 8 9.52%
Bos-Wash and New England only 4 4.76%
Something else 3 3.57%
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2018, 7:35 PM
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^ They're Southish. Certainly less "Southern" these days.

South of the Mason-Dixon, though.
I don't like using a 150+ year old term for todays geography, I wouldn't consider anything north of Richmond to be the south in a modern context.

The south begins somewhere in mid Virginia on the east coast, In the Midwest it begins along the Ohio river but there is a lot of bleed over. Missouri/Kansas is where the traditional North/south concept becomes transplanted with the East/west split.

Once you get out west far enough the east/west division is far more relevant than the north/south division, which is quite honestly completely irrelevant at that point.
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The DC area feels more like Atlanta than New York to me.
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I don't like using a 150+ year old term for todays geography, I wouldn't consider anything north of Richmond to be the south in a modern context.

The south begins somewhere in mid Virginia on the east coast, In the Midwest it begins along the Ohio river but there is a lot of bleed over. Missouri/Kansas is where the traditional North/south concept becomes transplanted with the East/west split.

Once you get out west far enough the east/west division is far more relevant than the north/south division, which is quite honestly completely irrelevant at that point.
For people in PA and MD though, the Mason-Dixon still means something.

I'm not too sure what the "modern context" of the South means. No slaves?

I do think that Southern Maryland, even much of PG County outside of DC, looks and feels more Southern in flavor than Northern.

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The DC area feels more like Atlanta than New York to me.
To me, DC feels like a mix of North and South... probably because it is, I guess.
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This is the north-south boundary along the east coast, and anyone who says otherwise is relying on incorrect assumptions.

Don't talk to me about the Mason-Dixon line, unless you also rely on arbitrary standards from the 19th century in other areas of life as well.

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Maryland /DC is a transition zone between North and South IMO.
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PG County is more similar to De Kalb County, GA than anything in the New York area. Bethesda is more like Buckhead than White Plains or Stamford.
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Yes yes if you insist on having transition zones then fine. But if you want a hard border this is what it looks like. There is a noticeable difference being 1 mile on one side versus 1 mile on the other.
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We've had this argument about 1,000 times on this forum and I'm really not having it again.

I'm over it.

No.
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This is the north-south boundary along the east coast, and anyone who says otherwise is relying on incorrect assumptions.

Don't talk to me about the Mason-Dixon line, unless you also rely on arbitrary standards from the 19th century in other areas of life as well.

I was referencing the Mason-Dixon more in jest than anything else.

However, to call it an arbitrary standard is rather ironic, since it was once far from arbitrary. Unlike your Beltway boundary there...
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Fast growth in the postwar years and lots of transplants is more characteristic of the New South than the Northeast.
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How about taking into consideration that there doesn't need to be a definitive boundary to vast, overly-generalized geographic regions?

While there are topographic boundaries that once formed significant barriers and separation (and still do to an extent) for classifying regions, a radial highway is not one of them.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen a "perfect" measure, but certainly lumping entire states into one region or the other "census style" is a deeply flawed method.

The "11 nations of the United States" map that has been going around for a few years now uses counties, and this begins to paint a much clearer picture of the nuances within states. In reality, regional lines fall inside of states, and not right at their political borders. I have many of my own nits to pick with this particular map, and ways I might color certain things in differently - but I appreciate the way that it exposes something like the Census map as socially irrelevant bullshit for any reason other than bean counting.

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Seriously Canada: Stop Woodward at the border!
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did you know that baltimore, thunder bay, and the oklahoma pandhandle are really kinda the same thing?

it says so on this map some dude made, so it must be a fact.
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No! not that map again. I think it's made appearances in 3 current discussion threads

Please no one talke about that ridiculous thing yet again.
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did you know that baltimore, thunder bay, and the oklahoma pandhandle are really kinda the same thing?
No, but I did know that Arizona's Sonoran Desert and Fairbanks, Alaska are the same thing. I mean, duh!
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did you know that baltimore, thunder bay, and the oklahoma pandhandle are really kinda the same thing?

it says so on this map some dude made, so it must be a fact.
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I have many of my own nits to pick with this particular map, and ways I might color certain things in differently.
I love how we are able to have nuanced conversations on this forum.

Struggling to see what the point of a discussion is when everybody who tries to add something is wrong. Fun crowd.
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Hey, and Quebec and southern Louisiana are the same region! Who knew?
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world's.

dumbest.

map.




is that nuanced enough for ya?
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nobody likes that map. bring out the tomato cart.
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