July 1, 2020 Population Estimates - United States of America

[El Chapo]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Every generation make major mistakes. I'm sure we don't have to point out how bad for the environment home delivery is yet so called 'environmentalists' can't get enough of Amazon, UberEats, etc. They also seem to think that buying a new phone every 1-2 years, buying bottled water, and/or importing pasta sauce from Italy is responsible. They say one thing then do the complete opposite. Instead of finger pointing some people should check themselves and their peers first.

Your generation drives to the bank every time they wanna check their balance.

[badrunner]

Boomers have perfected the art of stealing from their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. They are generational thieves, living high on the hog, watching the well run dry.

[dc_denizen]

Exactly time to break up teachers unions , public employee unions , and reduce old age and disability benefits paid by the taxpayer

Didn’t know so many republicans were hanging out here

[Northern Light]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

Exactly time to break up teachers unions , public employee unions , and reduce old age and disability benefits paid by the taxpayer

Didn’t know so many republicans were hanging out here

First, way, way OTP.

Second, good pensions for one generation are not the problem, their absence for every generation is a problem.

Except where we're discussing the most egregious accumulations of wealth, the art of advancing society is not getting ahead by knocking someone else down; Its the comfortable lending a hand to those that aren't so that everyone can join.

[NYbyWAYofGA]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

The U.S. has almost always relied on immigration for growth.

When they say Americans, what they really mean are white Americans...

[NYbyWAYofGA]

Originally Posted by bossabreezes

So this is the only option? Just because something has always been a certain way is not a valid argument, as we've seen with thousands of other issues.

I'm not anti-immigration, but I also think there are other ways to grow. Plus, native Americans are not happy with their quality of life as a whole and the government should treat their own before others who have no real right to this help.

"Native Americans...???" Are you kidding me? Do you know how you look right now? I wonder how the true natives/indigenous Americans feel about that. They've been a minority on their own stolen land for centuries now...

[MolsonExport]

why are teachers (think about that word for a minute) deemed by conservatives to merit lower pay than many private sector employees? What is more essential to the future economic health of any country than its educational quality/infrastruture?

You get what you pay for. Reduce teachers salaries and reap the effects of disgruntled, lower-quality educators. Finland pays its teachers very attractive salaries and just look at where they are on the PISA scores.

How much taxpaying dollars eventually flow into the legal system, where one could easily make the case that lawyers are too many and over paid?

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

yeah, I don't understand this generational warfare. There are both assholes and awesome people in every generation....

Agreed.

[El Chapo]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

why are teachers (think about that word for a minute) deemed by conservatives to merit lower pay than many private sector employees? What is more essential to the future economic health of any country than its educational quality/infrastruture?

You get what you pay for. Reduce teachers salaries and reap the effects of disgruntled, lower-quality educators. Finland pays its teachers very attractive salaries and just look at where they are on the PISA scores.

How much taxpaying dollars eventually flow into the legal system, where one could easily make the case that lawyers are too many and over paid?

Conservatives stopped believing the concept of a Public Good right around the 1960s. I wonder what happened back then that turned them off to the idea?

[dimondpark]

Those 'growth' rates are very low. We are definitely slowing down as a nation.

[dc_denizen]

unions exist to prevent working class labor from being exploited by capital in a capitalistic system. Teachers unions, in this context, make zero sense. who is exploiting teachers, the taxpayer? are teachers being asked to work dangerous, long hours for minimum wage, while producing profits that go solely to asset owners? no. so whats the need for these unions?

Meanwhile these unions make sure that teachers can continue teaching despite years of poor results and complaints; can take paid leave if they get in trouble (see: NY times articles on the subject, also https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._chapter.pdf); and favor a senority system that rewards years of service over merit and results.

Janet Archer painted watercolors. Gordon Russell planned trips to Alaska and Cape Cod. Others did crossword puzzles, read books, played chess, practiced ballet moves, argued with one another, and otherwise tried to fill up the time. The place was New York City. The year was 2009. And these were public school teachers passing a typical day in one of the city’s Rubber Rooms—Temporary Reassignment Centers—where teachers were housed when they were considered so unsuited to teaching that they needed to be kept out of the classroom, away from the city’s children.1

There were more than 700 teachers in New York City’s Rubber Rooms that year. Each school day they went to “work.” They arrived in the morning at exactly the same hour as other city teachers, and they left at exactly the same hour in the afternoon. They got paid a full salary. hey received full benefits, as well as all the usual vacation days, and they had their summers off. Just like real teachers. Except they didn’t teach.

All of this cost the city between $35 million and $65 million a year for salary and benefits alone, depending on who was doing the estimating. And the total costs were even greater, for the district hired substitutes to teach their classes, rented space for the Rubber Rooms, and forked out half a million dollars annually for security guards to keep the teachers safe (mainly from one another, as tensions ran high in these places). At a time when New York City was desperate for money to fund its schools

American teachers, by the way, at least the ones I've interacted with via my kids, have been great. This might come as a surprise to some here I suppose.

[Northern Light]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

unions exist to prevent working class labor from being exploited by capital in a capitalistic system. Teachers unions, in this context, make zero sense. who is exploiting teachers, the taxpayer? are teachers being asked to work dangerous, long hours for minimum wage, while producing profits that go solely to asset owners? no. so whats the need for these unions?

Meanwhile these unions make sure that teachers can continue teaching despite years of poor results and complaints; can take paid leave if they get in trouble (see: NY times articles on the subject, also https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._chapter.pdf); and favor a senority system that rewards years of service over merit and results.

Lets start by noting that Teacher qualifications and pay/benefits range widely across U.S. states and individual school boards.

But while some U.S. teachers are brilliant and well paid.

Others are not qualified to work in schools in other states let alone in any other OECD Country.

Equally, while some U.S. teachers are very well paid; others are paid only slightly more than entry level wages.

Finally, lets note that many US teachers do work in less than stellar conditions, some in schools in poor repair or with safety concerns...........

Others....with well over 30 pupils per teacher.

Those in better conditions w/more qualifications, show the utility of a union.

While those who endure something worse.........show the problems of not having an effective one.

[Yuri]

There has been in update in the US vital stats for 2020:

Births
Jan-Sep 2019: 2.816 million
Jan-Sep 2020: 2.719 million

Deaths
Jan-Sep 2019: 2.122 million
Jan-Sep 2020: 2.432 million

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...tal_statistics

Excess of 300k deaths and it’s not inconceivable that the US might have registered a negative growth in 2020. This pandemic has been a nightmare.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

There has been in update in the US vital stats for 2020:

Births
Jan-Sep 2019: 2.816 million
Jan-Sep 2020: 2.719 million

Deaths
Jan-Sep 2019: 2.122 million
Jan-Sep 2020: 2.432 million

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...tal_statistics

Excess of 300k deaths and it’s not inconceivable that the US might have registered a negative growth in 2020. This pandemic has been a nightmare.

300k excess Deaths? Yawn this plague was a tease. Whats the point of upending society over a pandemic if we dont even get the mass depopulation and generations of cheap property that past plagues caused.


LAme

On a serious note the deaths are highly skewed (like 95% of them) in age groups WLL beyond the ability to have children. It will have no lasting or even noticeable inpact on US population on any scale. We would need MILLIONS of deaths in people under 40 to even begin talking about demographic changes due to COVID 19

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Obadno

300k excess Deaths? Yawn this plague was a tease. Whats the point of upending society over a pandemic if we dont even get the mass depopulation and generations of cheap property that past plagues caused.


LAme

On a serious note the deaths are highly skewed (like 95% of them) in age groups WLL beyond the ability to have children. It will have no lasting or even noticeable inpact on US population on any scale. We would need MILLIONS of deaths in people under 40 to even begin talking about demographic changes due to COVID 19

Errr... not even during the Civil War the US registered such a massive yearly death excess (about 400k, or +15%). Not even in relative terms.

That’s unprecedented, regardless how worthless human lives seem to be for you.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Errr... not even during the Civil War the US registered such a massive yearly death excess (about 400k, or +15%). Not even in relative terms.

That’s unprecedented, regardless how worthless human lives seem to be for you.

Unlike war the death toll is almost exclusively among people who are not of childbearing age.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Also, public unions are HORRIBLE. They have built-in corruption. Politicians running for office sides with the union, the union funds and votes for the politician running. What will that politician do once they are in office? Do whatever the union wants. Who is there to protect the business(taxpayers?). Not a damn person. It's a scam.

How do you feel about police unions?

[craigs]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

There has been in update in the US vital stats for 2020:

Births
Jan-Sep 2019: 2.816 million
Jan-Sep 2020: 2.719 million

Deaths
Jan-Sep 2019: 2.122 million
Jan-Sep 2020: 2.432 million

The birth statistics are almost as shocking as the death stats--these are far, far lower totals than we ever saw at any time during the so-called "baby bust" of the 1970s.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by craigs

The birth statistics are almost as shocking as the death stats--these are far, far lower totals than we ever saw at any time during the so-called "baby bust" of the 1970s.

Keep in mind those are nine-month figures and the annual number will stay ahead of the 70s birth numbers.

The per capita rate however is lower than ever, even lower than the Great Depression. The trend line is markedly down as well. The last time two years had back to back increases in births was 2006 and 2007.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by craigs

The birth statistics are almost as shocking as the death stats--these are far, far lower totals than we ever saw at any time during the so-called "baby bust" of the 1970s.

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Keep in mind those are nine-month figures and the annual number will stay ahead of the 70s birth numbers.

The per capita rate however is lower than ever, even lower than the Great Depression. The trend line is markedly down as well. The last time two years had back to back increases in births was 2006 and 2007.

The US TFR will probably have plunged to 1.65 in 2020, the lowest number in history.

The most extraordinary thing about the US demographics is the quickly collapse of the natural growth. In 2007, it was at 1.9 million. In 2020, it might have fallen to 200k or so. Even without Covid, it would be around 700k.

Without a strong rebound of immigration (1.5 million/year), the US will start to have consistent negative natural growth by the late 2020's.