NEW YORK | 36 Central Park So. (Park Lane development) | FT | FLOORS

[Zapatan]

Another ~450 meter building in that vicinity would just be insane.

[chris08876]

We might get something tall. 300-320m would sound reasonable. Depends on how they allocate the hotel and condo portions.

[mistermetAJ]

Originally Posted by NYguy

I support Richard Rogers here. Let's see if he can blend his signature style with Central Park.

Rogers generally designs attractive building, but I question if he was the best choice for this site. As you stated, let's see if he can blend with Central Park. Unless he incorporates masonry, a big deviation from his usual work, I have my doubts.

[JayPro]

^^^
So what are 432P, One57, Steinway, 425P, TV/35W35th and Nordstrom (the latter three to lesser degrees) not?

They all add their own aspects of mdernity IMO quite apropos for the area without disprespecting the overall environs.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JayPro

^^^
So what are 432P, One57, Steinway, 425P, TV/35W35th and Nordstrom (the latter three to lesser degrees) not?

They all add their own aspects of mdernity IMO quite apropos for the area without disprespecting the overall environs.

The difference here is that those towers are removed from Central Park South (even 220 CPS has the tower on 58th Street). It's a very different thing to have the tower directly on CPS (we're not just talking height).

[NYguy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/ny...rket.html?_r=0

A Dental Hub With Views to Swoon Over May Go on the Market





APRIL 6, 2015
By MATT A.V. CHABAN

.....As the blocks south of the park have gone from Midtown no mans land to Billionaire’s Row in a matter of years, the city’s top builders have been scouring every parcel for opportunities. To them, 30 Central Park South, at only 15 stories, is ripe for redevelopment.

.....So far, there are no firm offers for the property. The most obvious suitor would be Steve Witkoff and Harry Macklowe, who not only control the Park Lane Hotel next door, which they purchased in 2013 for $660 million, but also 21 West 58th Street, a rental building that backs onto 30 Central Park South.

Both could be demolished and replaced with a tower of 80 stories or more, much more if the medical building was incorporated.

This has led rivals, most notably Gary Barnett, the president of Extell Development, to approach the board about a purchase. He successfully held up a similar project near Columbus Circle for years by renting the garage beneath it. If he controlled 30 Central Park South, he could build his own project or at least impede the Witkoff-Macklowe tower at a time when demand for multimillion-dollar apartments along the park is said to be cooling.

Indeed, the possibility of years of construction next door is as much a reason for some to cash out as the cash itself.

“We’ll need extra suction just for all the dust,” Dr. Mandor joked.

After all, who wants a drill in their mouth when there is a pile driver pounding next door?

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[NYCLuver]

Ahh!!! 30 Central Park South, that is where my Oral Surgeon is located.

If they do end up moving, I'll have to figure out where!

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by NYCLuver

Ahh!!! 30 Central Park South, that is where my Oral Surgeon is located.

If they do end up moving, I'll have to figure out where!

Yea those doctors are pretty good. A friend of mine went there last week for a surgery. Good thing for insurance, would of been a fortune without it.

Those docs definitely have the best views out there. Beats some of those suburban practices with views of nothing.

[Crawford]

If this tower is "80 floors or more" as reported by that NY Times article, then it may top even 111 W.57 (82 floors).

So this may mean (at least) four 1400 ft.+ towers along that corridor, which is crazy exciting.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Crawford

If this tower is "80 floors or more" as reported by that NY Times article, then it may top even 111 W.57 (82 floors).

So this may mean (at least) four 1400 ft.+ towers along that corridor, which is crazy exciting.

I like the "much more", I remember they were originally thinking of an 100 story tower here, looks like that's not too far fetched. Even though the medical building doesn't sound like a definite.

New tallest in NY? I won't get my hope too high but it sounds like a possibility.

[hunser]

If this tower breaks 400m, it will be epic. The 57th St canyon will be beyond awesome ...

We already know of this vision: http://www.ajsny.com/36centralparks/

36 Central Park South Supertower Proposal
New York, NY
Proposal for replacement of The Witkoff Group's existing Park Lane Hotel property with a 100 storey residential tower.

Of course this is not a serious proposal.

[Ploppalopp]

^^^I know this proposal has been around ages but why do you say that it isn't a real proposal? Is it the 100 floors? The age of the proposal? Do you think it isn't realistic to hope for a real 100 story tower?

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Ploppalopp

^^^I know this proposal has been around ages but why do you say that it isn't a real proposal? Is it the 100 floors? The age of the proposal? Do you think it isn't realistic to hope for a real 100 story tower?

The renderings are all from a previous proposal. The project itself (36 CPS) is obviously happening, but the visuals are all old and outdated.

The only thing we know about the look of this tower is that the architect will be Richard Rogers. He tends to do modernist style with a high-tech edge, so that's probably what we'll get, but we'll have to wait and see.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Crawford

If this tower is "80 floors or more" as reported by that NY Times article, then it may top even 111 W.57 (82 floors).

So this may mean (at least) four 1400 ft.+ towers along that corridor, which is crazy exciting.

Could be, or it could just be the Times' reference to the 850 ft tower (80 floors or more). Either way, with the additional property added, we could be see a tower of at least One57's height but likely taller. If they in fact do buy the property (who else would want it?), we'll know a taller tower is coming.

[sparkling]

Barnett may foil Witkoff’s bid to build supertall at Park Lane Hotel site
Extell chief talks to 30 CPS board about possible purchase

Claire Moses
April 07, 2015

Extell Development’s Gary Barnett has approached the co-op board of 30 Central Park South — a former hotel that now primarily houses dentists’ offices — about a possible purchase. The move could make it challenging for Steve Witkoff and Harry Macklowe, who own the nearby Park Lane Hotel as well as an adjacent rental building, to build a supertall structure at the Park Lane site.

Witkoff and Macklowe bought the Park Lane Hotel for $660 million in 2013, and also own 21 West 58th Street, which is located right behind 30 Central Park South, the New York Times reported.

If both the Park Lane Hotel and 21 West 58th are demolished, the partners could build an 80-story skyscraper at their site. And if 30 Central Park South were incorporated, it could be even taller. But if Barnett takes control of 30 CPS, he could hold up the Witkoff-Macklowe project or build his own project there. He held up a similar project by Vornado Realty Trust at nearby 220 Central Park South

In other news, Shvo is buying most of the Crown Building on 57th and Fifth

Shvo, Amanresorts buy most of the Crown Building for $475M

Luxury developer Shvo and hotel developer Amanresorts’ Doronin are planning to buy roughly 300,000 square feet — from the fourth through the 24th floor — for $475 million, according to the New York Post. That price comes down to $1,583 per square foot.
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Shvo’s involvement will likely mean that luxury condos are coming to the Crown Building.

[NYguy]

That wacky Barnett, always up to something...

[Zapatan]

Maybe he wants to top Nordstrom

[chris08876]

A large assemblage could yield something tall. Who ever can gobble them up will have the rights for a super tower. I can see why this area is really competitive. Bidding wars for properties.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Maybe he wants to top Nordstrom

Barnett would't be able to do too much without those other sites. On the other hand, the development here could move on as planned without it.

[sparkling]

If we get something tall here and the rumored 900 ft at 426-432 east 58th st gets built, the 57-59 street area would be truly insane