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Posted Feb 19, 2016, 9:58 PM
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The Vomit Bag.
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Otisburgh
Posts: 44,918
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vintage TalB. I cut and pasted this stuff from his postings back in the wild west days of SSP.
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I think that some of you are just commenting like this because you are jealous of the fact that I actually stand up to a fight while the rest of you just hide behind your computer screens saying things you would never say in real life. All of you have shown is that you are nothing but cowards, and are probably more afraid of me than I am of them, which is why you will be nothing more than an armchair activist. As for bicycles, I have nothing against them, I just want them to follow the traffic laws, and there were even letters on the Daily News both today and yesterday addressing that issue, so I'm not alone here. Overall, you guys are just like trees falling in the middle of the forest when nobody is around, which is why some may question if you ever make a sound.
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Jay, you can call me whatever you want, but I will still have the last laugh no matter what. By writing to the media and attending certain events is how I get myself heard, and many will remember that. This is very common for activists, so I'm not alone here. For the record, I'm not online 24-7 unlike others here, and I don't use message boards as my personal mouthpieces compared to some here I won't name. In other words, I do have a life, because there were days I wasn't even here, so just like the WNBA, you couldn't even make the claim that my statements are being forced on you when they aren't there. Again, it's like voting in an election, because only those who vote will be heard while the non-voters will be seen as just flies on the walls. On a side note, I did get two essays of mine printed in a book known as Debacle: Failing to Rebuild the Twin Towers, which many have read as well as even being in PBS's America's Rebuild. BTW, projects and issues involving the state or federal government with their agencies, they are my business, because I am paying taxes to them as well.
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Calling someone pathetic for fighting for what they believe in is very insulting and I insist that you invert what you said about that. As long as there are people like myself who still believe, then nothing is a lost cause. BTW, there are other pro-Towers advocates besides me are still fighting for having the Twins rebuilt, so I am not alone here, and I do insist that you listen to the radio interview that Magret Donnavon and Richard Hughes got recently before making any further judgements. Remember, Jane Jacobs was claimed to fight a loosing battel against the Lower Manhattan Expwy against Robert Moses with the odds against her, but she wound up winning in the end. The same thing can be with those who were against the West Side Stadium. Even the people at DDDB believe that there is still a reason to fight the Atlantic Yds complex by Bruce Ratner despite all the odds, and I support them to. By your logic, then maybe it is also a lost cause for the people who are fighting for the existance of Israel, b/c half the world doesn't want it to exist. Again cut with the personal attacks. As a native of Israel, I know what is like to loose someone in a terrosit attack, b/c it happens quite constantly over there. The terrorist attacks back in Israel predate what has happened in the US, especially with the late Shiek Amahad Yassin, who was the spiritual leader of Hamas. Also, terrorism is not defined by the number of those dead, but by how it is taken in the aftermath. By your logic, everything in Israel that was attacked by terrorists should be a memorial espeically when it occurrs in actual places. This is not playing the terrorist or Israel card or whatever you call it, this is speaking on the experience of terrorism. Before 9/11, people claimed that Israel was a paranoid nation in its response to terrorism. Also, Israel has been dealing with terrorism long before Osama Bin Laden made the headlines, and that is no lie. The only difference here is that skyscrapers can brought back from the dead b/c they are inorgant as oppossed to people who are organic. I do give my condolences to those who lost someone, and I am not trying to be selfish by wanting the Twins rebuilt. Half of your posts aimed at me are perosnal attacks. I have my views on issues like what should go on the WTC site, and you have yours. Learn to live with the opposition, b/c message boards allow for both sides of the issue whether you are pleased with them or not. If I want to view the FT as an ilegitimate replacement or a monunment to Osama Bin Laden, that is my view. If you wish to see the FT as a masterpiece, then that is your view. Despite my take, I am not saying that anyone is wrong for supporting the FT or calling them names like you and some others are. Also, I do not force my views on others by telling them what the can or cannot like. On a sidenote, if you don't like my threads, don't click on them, b/c nobody is forcing you to do so. I do NOT force anyone to agree with my statements. I have nothing people who disagree with me, but when they call me an idiot for having a different view, that is where the personal attacks are made. I will never forget the person who referred to me as the Grand Cyclops of Ground Zero, which is very insulting. Others have tooken my PBS's America Rebuilds Essay and mentioned it as if only someone misguided would write such a thing, and that really hurts my feelings b/c people around the world read that and were proud of what I wrote, which is why I use it as a way for people to know me at hearings. Someone even said that I have been be spurting me ilk, which sounds like a hit below the belt when it comes to stating an opinion. If you wish to like the FT, then I won't stop you, but you must still respect the fact that I would rather see the Twins rebuilt, which is my view. As for the politicians, if you read my letters they are compliants to them as well as the transcripts from public hearings. For the record, I have nothing against those that disagree with me, it's those that have attacked me personally that I am against, which happens to be a lot of you. I could never understand why a lot of you are so defensive and act so bent out of shape on this issue especially when you all had your say on this issue, so let me and those who disagree have our's. Better yet, just go back to such car hating websites such as Streetsblog where you get to hear your own voices all the time while censoring anyone who disagrees with you.
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First off, I do NOT force anyone to agree with my statements. I have nothing people who disagree with me, but when they call me an idiot for having a different view, that is where the personal attacks are made. I will never forget the person who referred to me as the Grand Cyclops of Ground Zero, which is very insulting. Others have tooken my PBS's America Rebuilds Essay and mentioned it as if only someone misguided would write such a thing, and that really hurts my feelings b/c people around the world read that and were proud of what I wrote, which is why I use it as a way for people to know me at hearings. Someone even said that I have been be spurting me ilk, which sounds like a hit below the belt when it comes to stating an opinion. If you wish to like the FT, then I won't stop you, but you must still respect the fact that I would rather see the Twins rebuilt, which is my view. As for the politicians, if you read my letters they are compliants to them as well as the transcripts from public hearings.
As I will state in an open appeal to that statement, what I said wasn't an attack. The rolling eyes smiley was used for sarcasm, which many knew what I using when I said that, b/c even I know that nobody who didn't like the Twins wanted them destroyed. Either way, I have been respecting those who have supported the FT, and I don't force them to support what I choose. However, there have been those who don't accept the fact that I would rather prefer having the Twins rebuilt. Just saying that I am spewing crap is a personal attack in itself. Some of called me insulting names like "The Grand Cyclops of Ground Zero", while others took some of the work I have done like what I have written on PBS's America Rebuilds and called it being being dellusional or even used it in mocking me in how I don't understand what is going on at the WTC site. Another hit below the belt was a photoshopped image of me shown twice over the lower Manhattan skyline as if it was used to make fun of me. In the end, I am true victim here. As for trolling, I am not on this thread 24-7, and of the last few months, I didn't even make any posts due to work I had to do at my college. The real problem is not that I am right, is that I am outnumbered in which I will always loose b/c there is only one of me and many of them. All I am stating is just my take on what I feel should be there on the WTC site. I am allowed to have a debate, which is what this fourm allows for. Evidently, I do not attack people for the fact that they don't want them rebuilt, just state facts on why they state repeated myths. That isn't a personal attack at all. I don't play the innocent, I am the innocent. The fact that I would rather have the Twins rebuilt is my view and mine only. I have nothing against those who disagree with me, but they will have to be prepared to face a debate, which is how I defend my points, but I doesn't mean that I am forcing them to agree with me. For those who don't like the news articles I post that happens to either be against the FT or for the rebuilding of the Twins, I am only messenger, so I insist sending a letter to the editor or emailing them directly if they are not satified with rather than taking that anger out on me. Again, most fourmers found what I recently said as a joke hence the smiley and didn't take it seriously to which I am known to use sarcasm at times. For numerours reasons, I will never support the so-called official plan. The fact that it was personally picked by Pataki is the main one. Also, I find it better if we just had back what Bin Laden took away from anus on that day. I will never get this throwback architecture statement nor I will probably never understanding how wanting the Twins rebuilt is stepping backwards when I have never stated that they should be rebuilt status quo ante-bellum. Be it rebuilt Twins or that illegitimate replacement known as the FT, they will both have to use updated engineering. Sometimes saying the FT is fresh and the Twins are outdated is just another excuse I am hearing others saying why the shouldn't be rebuilt. I have heard a lot of excuses and myths in the past saying we can't bring them back b/c of this. In reality, it's more like saying that they won't bring them back. Regaurdless, I do not see the fight as a loosing battle. If that was the case, then the colonies would have remained under British rule b/c they felt that they were too powerfull. Even if grassroots movements don't win in the end, they can still show that they will not stay down w/o a fight.
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TalB's Manifesto
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I suspect that all the bikers and joggers will be pleased at this editorial, but us taxpaying motorists are at the breaking point. Before the usaul hamasing remarks against me come out from the streetsblogger zealouts hiding under aliases in cahoots with the sordid impersonateurs, remember that I have already made my statement on this a while ago. It's not that I have anything against others that want to disagree with me, it was those who have actually attacked for taking a different side from them. It was more like they were like fanatics and extermists rather than just some simple bandwagoner and yesmen in that they were looking for those who weren't on their side and acted as if they were pointing a gun at me to either agree with me or die. Some of them didn't like it when I used facts to disproove them on their statements. Most of them had responded with either some blanket statement that was already mentioned by either the politicians or developers, while others just got very defensive or tried to dodge the question. They felt as if my questions on their attitude was a humilation and hurting their acts of fanaticisim on projects, bikelanes or otherwise, so they demanded a ban all b/c they couldn't answer it as quickly as I could. Some of them were against bringing up some projects or other issues up for a debate, b/c they were afraid that they would have nothing to rebuttle with other than what they started with. As for the statement on me bieng stupid, I take great issue with personal attacks, which I consider to be a hit way below the belt, and even below the likes of you, Ty. I am tired of the lazy arrogant bikers getting away with so many tax breaks making those drivers some struggling with a lower income pay more. I haven't got enough money to live on my own, so I live in my parents house consequently. Therefore, your reference of using that on me is wrong on all levels. Other Michael, you can't even see that your comments are completely from the prism of somebody who bikes all the live long day. everything looks different from the perspective of a selfish biker who flagarently ignores the rules of the road, and apparently this website as I believe that personal attacks are not permitted yet I still seem to be the primary victim of all this incessant hamasing.
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, attack the issue not the person taking a legitamate perspective. Going back to my points about philosophy, peple that don't seem to like those such as myself who can disproove their statements with actual facts where they are just throwing talking points that I can easily refute. These are people who believe that it's the weapon that makes them stronger when in fact that isn't always true. Eventually, they will come to a point where even their own weapons can't save them. The truth is that it's not the weapons that makes the person stronger, it's the one who uses them. An example of someone who had to learn it the hard way was King Phillip II, who was the king of Spain, when having the Spanish Armada against England's Queen Elizabeth I in 1588. Before then, Spain was said to have the most powerfull navy at the time especially when they have sailed to numerous corners of the globe in conquering lands. Many of thought that trying to fight the armada was asking for a tombstone b/c of how powerfull they were. However, the fleet was not prepared for the English Channel, and their ships were too big for a body of water with such a low depth for them. Although the English fleet had smaller ships, it was easier to get by and with the cannon, they didn't even have to board the enemy fleet but just fire from their own. Some of those who helped fight for England in that battle included explorers such as Sir Walter Raleigh and Sir Franciss Drake managing the fleets. As Elizabeth walked out on the cliffs of Dover, she saw the armada on fire in the humiliating defeat on Spain. It showed that even the greatest had their demise. How it relates to my point is that some just can't seem to take it when someone can find a way to poke holes in their statements by finding facts and other stats that disproove theirs' when they don't even come up with anything to back them except for repititions. Also, the reference of the Spanish Armada is to show that even the greatest can just be human at sometimes in that nobody is invincible and there will always be a clink somewhere in that armor. On a side note, joggers are to bikers as bikers are to motorists, but at least joggers don't kill people when they bash into you like bikers do. Don't blame me b/c I am stating the facts with cold cartesian logic, as befitting a nerdy leftist.
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell)
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