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Old Posted Jan 29, 2021, 8:11 PM
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At least the city supports the developers, for once. The NIMBYs can delay, but they can't stop a city-approved project.


You really can’t win with NIMBYs. It could be all affordable housing, and they wouldn’t like it. On the other hand, the more affluent residents of the Upper Eastside seem to get their way in regards to height, so the City is sending the wrong signals.
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I want to see this one rise as much as the next guy, but it cannot be ignored that the ridiculous accommodation in the form of that piece-of-shit straddling base has got to be one of the most absurd and offensive architectural acts every proposed.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2021, 8:48 PM
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Is this area really that desirable? There's no street level retail because it's cut off from E Broadway by those old GI/public housing buildings that don't have a street wall or ground level retail, the M line subway station isn't that close. It's not a "cool" area for many reasons. I just don't really see how they could command high prices to recoup 100 story buildings at that location. But I guess I'm not in NY real estate.
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For Manhattan standards, no, it isn't a prime area. But you could never build this in a prime area. Those areas are NIMBY-fied to death and are either landmarked or downzoned.

It's the same basic location as Extell's nearby tower, and Extell has prices starting at around $1.4 million for a one bedroom (and $13 million+ for the penthouse floors) so I imagine the developers will do quite well. But prices will never approach Billionaires Row, obviously.
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Is this area really that desirable? There's no street level retail because it's cut off from E Broadway by those old GI/public housing buildings that don't have a street wall or ground level retail, the M line subway station isn't that close. It's not a "cool" area for many reasons. I just don't really see how they could command high prices to recoup 100 story buildings at that location. But I guess I'm not in NY real estate.
Its also the views. NYC is one of the few cities that you could build a brown stained tower with superior blank wall coverage, and depending on the location, it will command top dollar, even for a mud-laced blank-wall that extends 400' on three corners with the 50' setback from the street surrounded by a Crown Fried Chicken and a 99 cent Dr Jarome Shoes outlet.

Manhattan in general is desirable. Views of the East River, even if not the Hudson... command top dollar. Overtime, this area will be molded into prime territory, its just the vile NIMBYS and their Phase 1A residents make it tough.

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For Manhattan standards, no, it isn't a prime area. But you could never build this in a prime area. Those areas are NIMBY-fied to death and are either landmarked or downzoned.

It's the same basic location as Extell's nearby tower, and Extell has prices starting at around $1.4 million for a one bedroom (and $13 million+ for the penthouse floors) so I imagine the developers will do quite well. But prices will never approach Billionaires Row, obviously.
Crude dark humor, but the way these vaccine rollouts are occurring (botched up), the NIMBY issue might just resolve itself.
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The views, right on the East River, will probably be ridiculous.

I have a friend with a condo on the East River in South Williamsburg, near the Hasidic area, in an early 2000's-era building built on former industrial land near the Navy Yard. When he bought the area was a semi-wasteland. The views from his unit are crazy, and that's only 22 floors up. He has amazing views of the river, Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens. And now the neighborhood is really desirable.
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That's what the NIMBYs are afraid of, that the area will become more desirable. That people would actually want to move over there. It's the same basic formula everywhere. They're against tall towers, and they're against more people coming into the area.
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Two Bridges developers beat two more lawsuits blocking projects



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After a series of setbacks, developers planning four towers in Two Bridges have survived two more legal challenges.

A state appeals court on Tuesday unanimously overturned two decisions, clearing the way for the projects to move forward. The panel of judges found that the lower court judge should have deferred to the Department of City Planning’s “reasonable interpretation” that the city’s zoning resolution didn’t require further justification for its approval of the towers.

Neighborhood groups had argued that the developers’ proposed modification to the Two Bridges large-scale development plan, which was approved in 1972, required further examination by the city. Opponents argue that the projects require City Council approval.

Paula Segal, an attorney who represents Tenants United Fighting for the Lower East Side and other neighborhood groups in one lawsuit, said her clients are considering their legal options.

Kenneth Kimerling, who represents Lower East Side Organized Neighbors and other organizations that brought a second lawsuit, did not immediately return a request seeking comment.

Because the Appellate Division’s decision was unanimous, the groups would need to receive court approval to appeal to the state’s highest court.

The three projects — JDS Development’s 247 Cherry Street, L+M Development and CIM Group’s 260 South Street and Starrett Corporation’s 259 Clinton Street — would have 2,775 rental units across four towers at three addresses. A quarter of those units would be set aside as affordable.

The developers are also upgrading a local subway station and financing repairs at a nearby public housing complex. A spokesperson for developers praised Tuesday’s decisions.

“Private investments in affordable housing and essential community infrastructure are critical as the city emerges from the pandemic, and these projects will deliver a range of meaningful and lasting benefits for the Two Bridges neighborhood,” the spokesperson said in a statement.


The Appellate Division’s decisions cap a tumultuous two years for the projects. In June 2019, Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron halted the developments, agreeing with the New York City Council and Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer that the projects must go through the city’s land use review process. In February 2020, Engoron similarly ruled in favor of community groups in two other lawsuits challenging the projects.

But the Appellate Division reversed Engoron’s first decision in August 2020, casting doubt on the prospects of the other two lawsuits.

Those complaints argued that City Planning was required to report certain findings before approving the projects, based on a provision in the zoning resolution. In Tuesday’s decisions, the panel found that the developers “persuasively argue” that the provision doesn’t apply to their projects.

The Two Bridges lawsuits were among several recent cases that concerned the real estate industry.

In late 2019 a state Supreme Court judge annulled the city’s rezoning of Inwood. That decision was ultimately overturned. Developers of another project, 200 Amsterdam, are still awaiting the results of its appeal after a lower court ruled that it must remove 20 floors to comply with zoning rules.
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2021, 3:18 AM
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A state appeals court on Tuesday unanimously overturned two decisions, clearing the way for the projects to move forward. The panel of judges found that the lower court judge should have deferred to the Department of City Planning’s “reasonable interpretation” that the city’s zoning resolution didn’t require further justification for its approval of the towers.

Because the Appellate Division’s decision was unanimous, the groups would need to receive court approval to appeal to the state’s highest court.

Good. All these morons want to do is delay and tie this up in court.
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Appeals Court Overturns Verdicts that Blocked Two Bridges Towers


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The years-long battle to erect enormous skyscrapers along the Two Bridges waterfront is edging closer to victory.

In its decision, the Appellate Court yesterday sided with the city/developers in two related community-based lawsuits, reversing the February 2020 decision that halted construction of four new towers along the coastline. (The court hearing was two weeks ago.)

The news follows just a few months after the Appellate Court overturned a similar lawsuit brought forth by City Council that would have forced developers into the public land-use process.
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"We are disappointed that the Appellate Court overturns the community’s victory by connecting it to the City Council’s case, which does not address the City’s violation of zoning law,” reads a statement from Lower East Side Organized Neighbors (LESON), a consortium of local community groups. “But we are not discouraged in our fight against the four luxury towers in Two Bridges.”
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Here is what could likely happen…

JDS and Two Bridges Neighborhood Council propose a 1,008-foot rental building that cantilevers over a senior center, designed by SHoP Architects (247 Cherry Street); L+M and CIM propose a 798 and 728-foot tower beast in the parking lot behind Lands End II, designed by Handel Architects (260 South Street); and Starrett plans a 724-foot tower, designed by Perkins Eastman (259 Clinton Street).

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State’s Highest Court Blocks Suit by Brewer, Chin Opposing Two Bridges Plan

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On Tuesday, the New York State Court of Appeals effectively ended a lawsuit begun in 2018, in which Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer and City Council member Margaret Chin sought to compel the administration of Mayor Bill de Blasio to subject several massive residential developments planned for the Lower East Side to the highest-possible degree of legal scrutiny. New York’s highest judicial review panel upheld an August ruling by the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court, which itself had overturned a 2019 lower-court decision favoring Ms. Brewer and Ms. Chin.

At issue is a cluster of super-tall residential towers proposed for the Two Bridges neighborhood of East River waterfront in Lower Manhattan. The central legal dispute focused on the approval granted by the City Planning Commission (CPC) to a streamlined review that would have allowed all three of these controversial projects (which include a total of four new towers, reaching as high as 1,000 feet) to avoid the full legal scrutiny of the City’s “uniform land use review procedure” (ULURP), and instead move ahead under a less-rigorous standard of review, limited to an environmental impact statement.

This was made possible by the CPC’s determination, in December, 2018, that the addition of four new skyscrapers to the community situated between the Manhattan and Williamsburg Bridges (which would more than triple the number of residences in the area) qualified as a “minor modification” to existing zoning for the neighborhood. This position by the CPC (which is controlled by Mayor de Blasio) preempted the legal authority of the City Council to review, and possibly veto, these projects.
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wait, not an april fool is it?
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Nimby's just keep taking L's after L's and I am very happy about that
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Two Bridges project opponents lose final appeal
State’s highest court declines to hear bid to stop four towers



May. 27, 2021
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The lengthy legal battle to prevent the construction of four massive towers in Two Bridges has come to an end.

The New York Court of Appeals declined to hear cases from two community groups to stop new development projects planned for the Lower Manhattan neighborhood.
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A spokesperson for the developers said, “We appreciate the court’s review and look forward to delivering on those benefits.”

The community groups who brought the lawsuits claim they will keep fighting even though the court’s decision essentially ended any chance of stopping the projects in a courtroom.

“There’s not a single shovel in the ground,” the Lower East Side Organized Neighbors said in a statement. “It’s important for residents and supporters of our No Towers, No Compromise campaign to know that this is still not a done deal, and our fight against displacement is far from over.”

Trever Holland of Tenants United Fighting for the Lower East Side said, “Although we are incredibly disappointed by the court’s rejection of our request that they review the Appellate Division decision, we will continue to pursue all options to stop these towers.”
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Oh please... these NIMBYs seriously need a life. They've lost. Enough. These are the people who'd rather have an eyesore of a tow yard instead of affordable housing opportunities. Density is the only way to help solve it.
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State’s highest court declines to hear bid to stop four towers



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Great news. Is this project shovel ready? Can we expect construction soon? This whole area is a dump and can easily be turned into another Pudong if there was vision.
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Old Posted May 28, 2021, 9:24 PM
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^ Approval doesn't necessarily mean things will just rise right away. There is always the matter of financing for these towers to rise.

But yeah, these people need to find something better to do with their time (and money).


https://www.boweryboogie.com/2021/05...s-development/

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The grassroots groups that leveled these lawsuits vowed to fight the outcome.

“Although we are incredibly disappointed by the Court’s rejection of our request that they review the appellate division decision, we will continue to pursue all options to stop these towers,” TUFF-LES, CAAAV and GOLES said in a collective statement.

“Four years later, there’s not a single shovel in the ground,” LESON noted in its statement. “It’s important for residents and supporters of our No Towers, No Compromise campaign to know that this is still not a done deal, and our fight against displacement is far from over.”
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