Queen's Park Politics - Page 99

1overcosc · #**1961** Posted **Feb 19, 2018, 3:59 AM**

Which is why Brown's "People's Guarantee" platform was so powerful. It didn't try to sell the idea that we're a suffering people in need of drastic change. It proposed to take what is essentially the status quo, and tweak a few things; namely, effectively shift some of the tax burden from income to carbon, and use the positive economic momentum to fund some goodies.

ssiguy · #**1962** Posted **Feb 19, 2018, 4:04 AM**

Toronto isn't the entire province and Ford is much more unpopular outside Toronto than he is in it.

The Tories need the crutcial 905 voters as well as key urban ridings in Ottawa, Hamilton, KWC, London and Windsor where the Tories did exceptionally poorly last time getting a total of just 2 seats between all of them.........suburban Ottawa, and Kitchener. Ford would get none of those cities and any Tory leader needs to haul in those major centres to govern and certainly to get a majority.

One thing is for sure..........Wynne just had a wet dream upon hearing about Brown's re-entry into the race. Why bother fighting an enemy when you can just sit back and watch the enemy impode?

Docere · #**1963** Posted **Feb 19, 2018, 5:47 AM**

Ford would probably overperform in Peel Region and Woodbridge compared to a generic PC. But he'd underperform in Oakville, Burlington, Whitby, Caledon etc. He'd likely unperform in suburban Ottawa as well.

vid · #**1964** Posted **Feb 19, 2018, 2:45 PM**

The North has 11 seats now and generally isn't supportive of the Liberals. That's 10% of the seats. The PCs will have absolutely no chance up here if they run someone like Ford. Brown was fairly competitive here.

kwoldtimer · #**1965** Posted **Feb 19, 2018, 3:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Ford was a pretty weak showing, actually. Came across confident but also kinda clueless at the same time.

I wonder how likely it is that Brown will be re-elected by the membership. It would be one hell of a turn of events and would make things really awkward seeing as how most of the caucus now openly hates him...

I suspect that would be described as "authentic" by his natural base.

kwoldtimer · #**1966** Posted **Feb 19, 2018, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

Toronto isn't the entire province and Ford is much more unpopular outside Toronto than he is in it.

The Tories need the crutcial 905 voters as well as key urban ridings in Ottawa, Hamilton, KWC, London and Windsor where the Tories did exceptionally poorly last time getting a total of just 2 seats between all of them.........suburban Ottawa, and Kitchener. Ford would get none of those cities and any Tory leader needs to haul in those major centres to govern and certainly to get a majority.

One thing is for sure..........Wynne just had a wet dream upon hearing about Brown's re-entry into the race. Why bother fighting an enemy when you can just sit back and watch the enemy impode?

(Suburban) Kitchener-Conestoga to be exact.

SteelTown · #**1967** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 12:00 AM**

Jeez the internal PC bickering is getting pretty bad now.

MPP Toby Barrett supported Patrick's entry to the PC race this weekend and now today magically his seat is now at the back bench.

https://twitter.com/robferguson1/sta...74221703864320

And now Randy Hillier, said he’ll file a complaint with Ontario’s Integrity Commissioner against Patrick Brown.

Brown's team called Hillier a lunatic and an idiot.

It's getting nasty.

Dr Awesomesauce · #**1968** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 12:18 AM**

I'm not sure what Brown is thinking right now but I'm guessing he's not in the best frame of mind. And his advisors certainly aren't doing their jobs.

It is indeed a sh*tstorm and is emblematic of the poor state of affairs in Ontario politics.

JHikka · #**1969** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 12:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

I'm not sure what Brown is thinking right now but I'm guessing he's not in the best frame of mind.

He's a career politician and he has nothing else to fall back on now. I'm guessing he sees re-entering the race as him either saving face or genuinely thinking he has a shot. What else is he going to do? Politics is all he has.

Dr Awesomesauce · #**1970** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 1:04 AM**

^Quite true. One last gasp, I guess.

1overcosc · #**1971** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 2:59 AM**

I think Brown has a better shot than people think. He did sign up a hell of a lot of new members to the party since 2015, begging the question of whether the hard-right base that all 4 other candidates--even centrist Christine Elliott--are so busy sucking up to is even that relevant any more, and also suggesting quite a bit of the voting membership has loyalty to him. Plus none of the other candidates are really that compelling. Ford is Ford, Mulroney is so wishy-washy she's barely there, and while Elliott has a lot of qualities that could do her well, she's too busy trying to hide them. Some of the stronger candidates that could have joined, like Fideli or MacLeod, are sitting out.

Docere · #**1972** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 3:11 AM**

It's kinda funny that Randy Hillier is backing such an "establishment" candidate for the leadership.

manny_santos · #**1973** Posted **Feb 21, 2018, 7:47 PM**

Patrick Brown was supposed to appear on the Jerry Agar show on CFRB this morning, but he backed out at the last minute.

My guess is that he was unaware that station is owned by Bell Media, which also owns CTV, until the last minute.

SteelTown · #**1974** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 12:41 AM**

Patrick Brown cleared to run for Ontario PC leadership
Party nomination committee weighed his candidacy amid sexual misconduct allegations, ethics complaint

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...dacy-1.4544843

Patrick Brown has been cleared to run for the leadership of the Ontario Progressive Conservatives, a job he previously held, the party revealed Wednesday afternoon.

SteelTown · #**1975** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 12:50 AM**

Tweeted just after the city declared a state of emergency, due to the flooding

Docere · #**1976** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 1:19 AM**

Caroline Mulroney is the "Jeb Bush" of the race.

vid · #**1977** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 2:21 AM**

This is fun! Kind of sad that it's over in just 3 weeks.

Loco101 · #**1978** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 4:49 AM**

Caroline Mulroney was in Timmins yesterday meeting the very small number of PC Party members. The Daily Press quoted her saying “I am not from Northern Ontario, but I do benefit from the advice of great leaders from Northern Ontario, like Norm Miller, like Greg Rickford."

OMG....lol

http://www.timminspress.com/2018/02/...thern-spending

Loco101 · #**1979** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

It's kinda funny that Randy Hillier is backing such an "establishment" candidate for the leadership.

That guy is something else. Definitely not an asset to the PCs.

Docere · #**1980** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 5:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

Caroline Mulroney was in Timmins yesterday meeting the very small number of PC Party members. The Daily Press quoted her saying “I am not from Northern Ontario, but I do benefit from the advice of great leaders from Northern Ontario, like Norm Miller, like Greg Rickford."

OMG....lol

http://www.timminspress.com/2018/02/...thern-spending

Not Vic Fedeli?