noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

All I see is a possible P and I. (directly above the word "Between" in the description)
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Boyle Heights parade float at an unspecified parade.


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The float is adorned with flowers and plants so this could be an early Rose Parade.

Or did all parades decorate with flora back in the olden days?


I especially like this man and little boy watching from the rooftop.


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He appears to be holding both a parasol and a souvenir pennant (or a carnival cane with a trinket on the end)
the boy's posture tells me he probably got tired of holding his souvenir



fyi: in Dec 2015 I posted another Boyle Heights float HERE

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[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Boyle Heights float, 1900s


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Hey, look, this undated photo shows the same float!



UCLA/Islandora


Over the entrance at far left is a sign for IXL Stables, and under that, a sign for Dr. E. J. Crandall, Veterinary Surgeon.
The building number 830 is visible just to the left of the wagon driver:





Both 1896 LACD @ fold3.com

[ethereal_reality]

Excellent find FW!


Just for fun here's a closer look at the lovely lady on top of the float.....and the LIVE bear!


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City Seal of Eureka CA


http://www.ci.eureka.ca.gov/



p.s. It's clearly a fake bear. (I honestly thought it was alive at first) lol

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[Flyingwedge]

I think that's Minerva and the grizzly bear from the California State Seal, which includes Eureka.

[ethereal_reality]

I realized it was the state seal after I finished my post. I left it in anyway.

[ethereal_reality]

I don't believe we have seen J.B. Hunter's Texas Tamales.




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Group photograph of "Hunter's Texas Tamales" vendors posed outside in front of eucalyptus trees, buildings in the background;
seven men, one holding a baby, five women and five two-wheeled vending carts; Los Angeles, ca. 1897.

If the trees had been sycamores I would have guessed the vendors were at Sycamore Grove. (it has that vibe)




Much to my surprise, I later found a photograph of J.B. Hunter's house. (he must have sold a lot of tamales!)


California State Library

"View of the Hunter family outside of two-story house (626 Stevens Pl.); shows two-wheeled tamale cart at right of house with sign "J. B. Hunters Texas Tamales",
American flag at upper story, four children on porch, mother and father in front, wagon to the right, other houses nearby. Los Angeles; ca. 1897."



My question is...where was Stevens Place located? I don't believe it exists any longer.



Ad from the 1901 Los Angeles city directory.


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Here's a closer look at the family. (in no particular order they are J.B., Elizabeth C., Maggie, David, Pauline and Cordelia)


detail





one last photo

CSL





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[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

My question is...where was Stevens Place located? I don't believe it exists any longer.

Stevens Place was at the northern edge of Fort Moore Hill, intersecting with N Grand Avenue. It looks like it ended above the streetcar tunnel exit. I've highlighted it on the 1910 Baist map below.


www.historicmapworks.com

The remnants of Stevens Place can still be seen on the 1948 view at Historic Aerials, but it's gone by 1952.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't believe we have seen J.B. Hunter's Texas Tamales.

one last photo

CSL





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They came in several flavors.....and still do. They are often a part of Christmas time meals.


https://www.texasmonthly.com/wp-cont...es-400x400.jpg

[Earl Boebert]

Er, I think the current Texas Tamale is a different outfit.

Tamales were our standard picnic food when I was stationed at Randolph AFB. Came in a can which you heated in a bucket of water over a camp stove. Still love the things.

Cheers,

Earl

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I don't believe we have seen J.B. Hunter's Texas Tamales.




calisphere

Group photograph of "Hunter's Texas Tamales" vendors posed outside in front of eucalyptus trees, buildings in the background;
seven men, one holding a baby, five women and five two-wheeled vending carts; Los Angeles, ca. 1897.

If the trees had been sycamores I would have guessed the vendors were at Sycamore Grove. (it has that vibe)




Much to my surprise, I later found a photograph of J.B. Hunter's house. (he must have sold a lot of tamales!)


California State Library

"View of the Hunter family outside of two-story house (626 Stevens Pl.); shows two-wheeled tamale cart at right of house with sign "J. B. Hunters Texas Tamales",
American flag at upper story, four children on porch, mother and father in front, wagon to the right, other houses nearby. Los Angeles; ca. 1897."



My question is...where was Stevens Place located? I don't believe it exists any longer.



Ad from the 1901 Los Angeles city directory.


lapl




Here's a closer look at the family. (in no particular order they are J.B., Elizabeth C., Maggie, David, Pauline and Cordelia)


detail





one last photo

CSL





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John B. Hunter was born in Missouri in August of 1857. Mrs. Hunter was Elizabeth. She was born in Missouri in 1856. The eldest daughter, Maggie, was born in 1882, then Dave, the boy in the corner of the porch, was born in 1892, followed by Paulina, the next oldest, born in 1895 and the baby is Elizabeth, (Her name was Cordellia Elizabeth) born in 1897. The picture must date to about 1897-1898 given the size of the baby. The house in the picture may be 618 Bellevue but that house is also no longer there. The family is listed in a directory as being on Bellevue in 1893. They lived there before moving to the house on Stevens Place.

John B. Hunter does appear in Texas with his parents in the 1880 census. (must have been when he learned to make tamales) John trademarked the name "Texas Tamales" in February of 1893.

The family appears in the 1900 Census in Los Angeles and John is listed as a manufacturer of tamales. He appears in an LA directory in 1910 as a tamale manufacturer. By 1920 he is a watchman in a factory.

Mr Hunter owned the property on Stevens place and there was no mortgage according to the census. Also according to the way the streets are enumerated on the 1900 census, the cross streets for Stevens Place were North Grand Avenue and Sunset. Stevens Place must have been taken out by the 101 freeway. Maybe someone with old maps can find it.

[ethereal_reality]

Interesting information OS.

Originally Posted by oldstuff

"The house in the picture may be 618 Bellevue."

the big white house wasn't at 626 Stevens Place? or did I read that wrong

Originally Posted by HossC

Stevens Place was at the northern edge of Fort Moore Hill, intersecting with N Grand Avenue. It looks like it ended above the streetcar tunnel exit. I've highlighted it on the 1910 Baist map below.


www.historicmapworks.com

The remnants of Stevens Place can still be seen on the 1948 view at Historic Aerials, but it's gone by 1952.

Thanks for the map Hoss. -so Stevens Place was pretty much behind Los Angeles High School.

The old Fort Moore Hill cemetery boundaries are a bit confusing on the map.
The cemetery property line appears to cross over onto the school property...as well as the corner of the I.O.O.F. property.


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And one of the 'green' buildings has the property line going through it!



No doubt we covered this much earlier on NLA) - but this information on the cemetery bears repeating.

"Fort Moore Hill became home to a cemetery, with the first documented burial tracing back to December 19, 1853. Alternately known as Los Angeles City Cemetery, Protestant Cemetery, Fort Moore Hill Cemetery, Fort Hill Cemetery, or simply "the cemetery on the hill", it was the city's first non-Catholic cemetery.

The cemetery was overseen by the city starting in 1869. It was not well taken care of, lacking clearly delineated boundaries, complete records or adequate maintenance. The Los Angeles City Council passed a resolution on August 30, 1879, closing the cemetery to any future burials except for those with already reserved plots. By 1884, the city had sold portions of the cemetery as residential lots and the rest to the Los Angeles Board of Education (later the Los Angeles Unified School District.

The city never removed any bodies, and the former cemetery was the site of repeated, grisly findings and much negative press. As a result, the city began moving the bodies, most to Evergreen Cemetery, Rosedale Cemetery and Hollywood Memorial Park Cemetery, with the final bodies being transferred in May 1947. The recent construction of Los Angeles High School #9 resulted in the discovery of additional human remains."
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And what about the I.O.O.F. parcel... -Was there ever an I.O.O.F. Hall on the property?

( Independent Order of Odd Fellows)

[ethereal_reality]

Tom, the Tamale Man has made an appearance on NLA, but I don't believe we have seen the guy shown below.



https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/479774166526858124/

"Tamales in Highland Park, 1885"

Any idea what a 'cornucopia' would be.....perhaps a tamale with everything?

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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull

I was recently contacted by someone who found a stash of photos belonging to his mother who worked at Robert's drive-in before she was married.

MartinTurnbull, your friend's mom was a very beautiful lady.



For NLA newcomers: you can see a Robert's Drive In HERE.
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hmmm...I just noticed the menu in her pocket says something other than Robert's.
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[HossC]

Tha hat and menu both appear to say Herbert's. I believe there was a Herbert's drive-in on the corner of Beverly and Fairfax, near Gilmore Stadium.

[ethereal_reality]

No doubt Martin meant to type Herbert's.
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[ethereal_reality]

mid-century interior



Santa Monica Travel Service
201 Santa Monica Boulevard
Santa Monica, California
Exbrook - 43728 l Texas 03803

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I think they have one too many flower arraignments .





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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Tom, the Tamale Man has made an appearance on NLA, but I don't believe we have seen the guy shown below.



https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/479774166526858124/

"Tamales in Highland Park, 1885"

Any idea what a 'cornucopia' would be.....perhaps a tamale with everything?

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The 5 cent cornucopia might be all veg.....any meat tamale would be 10 cents.

[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Angel's Flight Reopens Again Today!

And I took a ride on it, on my visit to DTLA on Sept. 7.

_9070317.jpg by BillinGlendaleCA

[MartinTurnbull]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

No doubt Martin meant to type Herbert's.
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Thanks ethereal_reality. The guy said they were taken at Robert's but it took me a while to realize there were photos from both Robert's and Herbert's. But by then, I had "Robert's" in my head because that's what he told me.

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

California State Library

"View of the Hunter family outside of two-story house (626 Stevens Pl.); shows two-wheeled tamale cart at right of house with sign "J. B. Hunters Texas Tamales",
American flag at upper story, four children on porch, mother and father in front, wagon to the right, other houses nearby. Los Angeles; ca. 1897."

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We can see the tamale factory with its cement floor behind 626 Stevens Place on the 1906 Sanborn below. At the left
edge of the photo above is what looks like the corner of 620 Stevens Place sticking out into the street. The house at the
right edge of the photo is either gone or remodeled below. At right on the map, N. Hill St., now N. Hill Pl., meets Sunset:



ProQuest via LAPL


In 1894, Stevens Place did not exist (nor does it today). At left is Philadelphia Street (changed to North Grand
by 1906), and at the top is Bellevue (changed to Sunset by 1906). I don't see 626 Stevens Place here, but the
house to its right in the photo looks to be in the lower left corner. In addition, the future 620 Stevens Place is
here, south of the rectangular building on Bellevue/Sunset:



ProQuest via LAPL