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Old Posted Nov 9, 2016, 9:51 PM
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Federal policy towards cities

Will there be a change in Federal policy towards cities?

Thinking specifically of New Starts funding with the FTA. There are some questionable funding decisions to start up streetcar lines in areas with very low ridership exist currently with cities making minimal or no land land use changes around those lines to encourage ridership growth. The funding allocation formula could be modified to cities with existing ridership demand, so the transit lines will not be running near empty on day on, and reward cities greatly for serious changes to their land use codes to promote ridership growth.

For a local prospective, a change in new starts funding decisions could lead to federal funding for Phase II of the Second Avenue Subway here in NYC. On the flip side, there places that have seen recent federal investment in transit, like the Kansas City, MO streetcar line, may not be receiving additional funding for streetcar expansion since funding will be allocated to the areas with the greatest need and demand.

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Old Posted Nov 9, 2016, 10:06 PM
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truth is we dont know. this would seem to most directly impact cities in the immediate term tho:

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451...content=202709
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* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
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* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back
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End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
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Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
as far as transit funding, trump seems to be vaguely for infrastructure improvements (whatever that means), but the broader GOP is definitely against ending federal public transit funding

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-loves-trains/
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 12:48 AM
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Supposedly ... 'We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals. We’re going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none. And we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it.'
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I'll be honest, I think the time has come to reconsider New Starts for rail projects and that the program has completed its mission in that respect. Make a mental list of all major US cities. How many big cities are there with sufficient urban density that don't have rail transit now but could conceivably build out a respectable network and have the political will to do so? That list is pretty short. I think a lot of tram and commuter rail projects are wasteful. At the same time there is tremendous need for repairing or modernizing existing networks in some cities, D.C. being a prime example. Also some legacy networks could stand to be expanded- I'd love to a see a resurrection of the Baltimore Red Line project.


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This is so stupid.

"Sanctuary city laws" aren't necessarily about protecting illegal immigrants from deportation. It's about encouraging them to cooperate with police when they witness a crime or have information. Good luck getting anyone to call 911 if taking to police means detention and deportation.

Without sanctuary city laws I fear crime rates and gang violence will increase in immigrant neighborhoods because criminals know nobody will "snitch" on them. Also what about victims of human trafficking? I read a news article about modern slavery in Asia, and a common thread is that the people who are enslaved often get mistreated by authorities and its one of the means of coercion that keeps them in captivity.

The stories critical of cities that allow the police to use discretion when interacting with people of questionable residency status never made sense to me. Sure, it's terrible that some guy murdered an innocent person and it turned out they were an illegal immigrant. But before they could have deported the person, how were the police suppose to know the person was an illegal immigrant to begin with?

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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 5:34 AM
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Supposedly ... 'We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals. We’re going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none. And we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it.'
The far-right often uses the traditional rhetoric of the Left.

Sounds nice, but who can trust that vile con man?
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 6:09 AM
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It's not a matter of trust, I'm just trying to understand the reality of what's likely to happen next.
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"Sanctuary city laws" aren't necessarily about protecting illegal immigrants from deportation. It's about encouraging them to cooperate with police when they witness a crime or have information. Good luck getting anyone to call 911 if taking to police means detention and deportation.

Without sanctuary city laws I fear crime rates and gang violence will increase in immigrant neighborhoods because criminals know nobody will "snitch" on them.
It's just semantics. Introduce a new "tough on crime" law that encourages all people to work with the police to catch criminals. Borrow the exact text from the "sanctuary" laws if you're lazy. The guy is about image and branding, actual substance is barely relevant.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 2:54 PM
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The far right will almost certainly use Trump as a puppet, so I would guess that our current meager infrastructure investments will be slashed to the bone. Conservatives have always wanted to kill Amtrak, high speed rail and transit block grants, and here's their chance.

States will probably be largely on their own these next four years.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 3:32 PM
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The far right will almost certainly use Trump as a puppet, so I would guess that our current meager infrastructure investments will be slashed to the bone. Conservatives have always wanted to kill Amtrak, high speed rail and transit block grants, and here's their chance.

States will probably be largely on their own these next four years.
Good point. Amtrak is probably toast. I'm not sure about the transit block grants since this is funds given directly to cities and states so there will be greater pushback than the federally-owned Amtrak. I'm no so sure the infrastructure investments would be cut. I think we're more likely to see social safety net cuts before infrastructure dial backs. But who knows!
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 3:37 PM
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The far right will almost certainly use Trump as a puppet, so I would guess that our current meager infrastructure investments will be slashed to the bone. Conservatives have always wanted to kill Amtrak, high speed rail and transit block grants, and here's their chance.

States will probably be largely on their own these next four years.
There will probably be some highway funding but yes transit funding will go to 0 (or less). Keep in mind the Heritage Foundation is writing Trumps "Day 1" executive orders.
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poor Detroit now finds itself in Mississippi North
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2016, 4:26 PM
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Here is a list of FTA grants.

https://www.transit.dot.gov/grants

This statement struck me:
The Fixing America’s Surface Transportation (FAST) Act was signed into law in December 2015. The act, which supports transit funding through fiscal year 2020, reauthorizes FTA programs and includes changes to improve mobility, streamline capital project construction and acquisition, and increase the safety of public transportation systems across the country.

It reads as if the grant programs are funded and authorized until 2020. If I'm reading correctly, it will take an act of congress to reverse?
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I think Trump is genuine about infrastructure investment. He is a bricks and mortar man, who likes things that can be built and touched...and grabbed. But his instincts are for private rather than public investment. US infrastructure is not modern and looks shoddy in comparison with the top European nations, is even behind lesser EU states like Spain that have received funding in recent decades, and does not compare to the big, shiny projects you see popping up in Asia and beyond. Trump sees this as a humiliation, evidence that America is second rate.

If you look at US airports as an example, they're owned by the city, operations are done in house, there is only limited space for private enterprise, and there is a healthy union presence. That's largely a good thing, and they are clunky yet efficient in their own way, but it does mean they look like they've been neglected for the past 40 years. Compare that to Heathrow, which is privately owned and operated, services are outsourced and contracted out, and it has received so much private investment that it now more resembles some hyper modern shopping mall that just so happens to have a couple of runways attached to it.

So I do think he will invest and he will invest big. But it won't be FDR style public works schemes, or the sort of investment Bernie Sanders would like to see. He will attack the unions, sell off public land and utilities, outsource and out contract, open up more opportunity for private enterprise, and resort to opaque and ill advised financing deals to defer short term costs, fund the whole scheme and to satisfy wall street.

from Slate:

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Under Trump’s plan … the federal government would offer tax credits to private investors interested in funding large infrastructure projects, who would put down some of their own money up front, then borrow the rest on the private bond markets. They would eventually earn their profits on the back end from usage fees, such as highway and bridge tolls (if they built a highway or bridge) or higher water rates (if they fixed up some water mains). So instead of paying for their new roads at tax time, Americans would pay for them during their daily commute. And of course, all these private developers would earn a nice return at the end of the day.

The federal government already offers credit programs designed to help states and cities team up with private-sector investors to finance new infrastructure. Trump’s plan is unusual because, as written, it seems to be targeted at fully private projects, which are less common.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...d_bridges.html

The left will oppose this because it is an attack on the public sector and the common good, and the right will oppose this because of the socialist superstructure needed to administer the plan. Both these groups express uneasiness about public private partnerships. The irony is that its the kind of wealthy Hillary or Jeb Bush supporters, think 10023 or Crawford, who are most likely to back Trump on this.
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While electing Trump will almost certainly end up being a complete disaster on many fronts, I will continue to hold out at least some small hope that he understands that transit is important for cities. He is, after all, a city person, and someone who is heavily invested in cities. It's not in his personal best interest to do things that damage cities so, in some small way, the interests of transit and the interests of Trump align so it may not end up as bad off as it might otherwise.

On the other hand, to the extent that transit doesn't play a large role in his life, it's possible he's too myopic to see the connection between transit and healthy cities despite the fact he's from New York City.

The only other small glimmer of hope I hold out is that, for anti-Trump people such as myself, our opinion of him and what is possible with him as President is already so low that even just not completely sucking may feel like success.
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Here's the official language from the 2016 Republican Platform. Does this sound like a party eager for urban infrastructure investments?

"The current Administration … subordinates civil engineering to social engineering as it pursues an exclusively urban vision of dense housing and government transit. Its ill-named Livability Initiative is meant to “coerce people out of their cars.” …

We propose to remove from the Highway Trust Fund programs that should not be the business of the federal government. More than a quarter of the Fund’s spending is diverted from its original purpose. One fifth of its funds are spent on mass transit, an inherently local affair that serves only a small portion of the population, concentrated in six big cities. Additional funds are used for bike-share programs, sidewalks, recreational trails, landscaping, and historical renovations."
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Here's the official language from the 2016 Republican Platform. Does this sound like a party eager for urban infrastructure investments?
The party is almost irrelevant. Trump is the party now. Any Republican who doesn't fall in line will face the wrath of his ample supporters. This could actually be a good thing, because Trump isn't really a conservative or a Republican. He has talked so much about investing in infrastructure and improving our inner cities. Those are not conservative or Republican priorities but I suspect it will be one of Trumps top priorities if not his #1 priority. It's entirely possible that his first big piece of legislation will be a massive ~$1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill. Republicans who would never in a million years consider supporting such a measure if it was President Clinton proposing it will be facing a hard decision - do they go along with it or do they stand up to their almighty leader?

I don't think Trump really gives a shit about gay marriage, abortion, building a wall, or banning muslims. That was all just red meat to rile up the base. His real priorities will be infrastructure and boosting trade/manufacturing.

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Here's the official language from the 2016 Republican Platform. Does this sound like a party eager for urban infrastructure investments?

"The current Administration … subordinates civil engineering to social engineering as it pursues an exclusively urban vision of dense housing and government transit. Its ill-named Livability Initiative is meant to “coerce people out of their cars.” …

We propose to remove from the Highway Trust Fund programs that should not be the business of the federal government. More than a quarter of the Fund’s spending is diverted from its original purpose. One fifth of its funds are spent on mass transit, an inherently local affair that serves only a small portion of the population, concentrated in six big cities. Additional funds are used for bike-share programs, sidewalks, recreational trails, landscaping, and historical renovations."
That's pretty damning. As emathias has stated, I wonder if from living in NYC if Trump understands cities and understands the need for transit. Or, since he get's chauffeured everywhere, is his views similar to Robert Moses but much more destructive. Probably the latter. Yikes! I still think Trump may be more progressive on this issue than the Republican Platform and may push back somewhat with Congress' attempts to defund.
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It's entirely possible that his first big piece of legislation will be a massive ~$1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.
There will be a lot of happy contractors if that ends up being the case. Any more news on this possible infrastructure bill?
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There will be a lot of happy contractors if that ends up being the case. Any more news on this possible infrastructure bill?
https://www.wired.com/2016/11/trumps...llion-dollars/
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The party is almost irrelevant. Trump is the party now. Any Republican who doesn't fall in line will face the wrath of his ample supporters.
I think you're way off. Trump will be a puppet of the conservatives, and beholden to them. There is no reason to think that Trump can somehow outfox Washington insiders and Congress.
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He has talked so much about investing in infrastructure and improving our inner cities.
No, he hasn't. He barely mentioned infrastructure, and when he mentioned inner cities, it was an obvious metaphor for "poor black neighborhoods".

He was trying to scare hillbillies with a circa 1970-image of America's urban environment, usually tied to his (completely false) allegations that inner city crime was at all-time highs.
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