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Old Posted Aug 8, 2020, 3:37 PM
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Yeah, Montreal looks more like Brooklyn than Philadelphia (to which it is often compared). Montreal is a city of apartments not rowhouses.
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Montreal has miles and miles of Brooklynesque neighborhoods, in every direction around the core.

Ville Emard: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4534...7i16384!8i8192

Verdun: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4620...7i16384!8i8192

Pointe-St. Charles: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4799...7i16384!8i8192

St. Henri: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4808...7i13312!8i6656

Monkland Village: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4731...7i16384!8i8192

NDG (Notre-Dame-de-Grace): https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4761...7i16384!8i8192

Snowdon: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4859...7i16384!8i8192

Cote-des-Neiges: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5002...7i16384!8i8192

Ahuntsic: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5223...7i16384!8i8192

Villeray: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5470...7i16384!8i8192

Park Extension: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5280...7i16384!8i8192

Mile-Ex: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5324...!7i8000!8i4000

Rosemont: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5495...7i16384!8i8192

Hochelaga: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5456...7i16384!8i8192

Montreal-Nord: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5993...7i16384!8i8192

Lasalle: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4376...7i16384!8i8192

Viau: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5555...7i16384!8i8192

Mercier: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5989...7i16384!8i8192
I see elements of both Brooklyn and Chicago in some of these street views.
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it reads as compressed chicago to me, with some compressed st. louis stuff. even the mid century stuff thats squished together and zero-lot-lined in this funny way.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2020, 3:57 PM
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i know nyc is vast and varied so undoubtedly theres similarities there too.
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Seattle and the surrounding areas are growing fast, and much of the growth goes into urban nodes all over town. The result is a work in progress, but a lot of non-downtown nodes are getting a critical mass as walkable densish districts. Some are fully functional urban places today, and others will need more time.

Some highlights that have grown their housing stock by four-figure amounts in recent years, generally in the six-story range, all growing quickly today:

Central Ballard: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6626.../data=!3m1!1e3

University District (light rail subway arrives next year): https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6538.../data=!3m1!1e3

Green Lake / Roosevelt (light rail subway arrives next year): https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6710.../data=!3m1!1e3

Lower Queen Anne (walkable to Downtown): https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6171.../data=!3m1!1e3

Capitol Hill (walkable to Downtown): https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6105.../data=!3m1!1e3

West Seattle Junction: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5558.../data=!3m1!1e3

Downtown Kirkland: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6696.../data=!3m1!1e3

Downtown Redmond: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6681.../data=!3m1!1e3
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i expect the seattle suburbs to gain a ton of new construction, considering the current postapocalpytic state of downtown and the continued growth in the metro area. eg Northgate mall, looks like its already being redeveloped quite a bit
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Seattle and the surrounding areas are growing fast, and much of the growth goes into urban nodes all over town. The result is a work in progress, but a lot of non-downtown nodes are getting a critical mass as walkable densish districts. Some are fully functional urban places today, and others will need more time.
As an occasional visitor to Seattle over the last decade or so, the strong growth in the nodes outside downtown is the most noticeable change in the region. I actually stayed in West Seattle last time I was there, the first time I didn't stay in the center city ever, and enjoyed it greatly. At the end of the day we returned to our airbnb in the Junction area and wanted for nothing, which is important to tourists obviously, but even more so for residents.
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As an occasional visitor to Seattle over the last decade or so, the strong growth in the nodes outside downtown is the most noticeable change in the region. I actually stayed in West Seattle last time I was there, the first time I didn't stay in the center city ever, and enjoyed it greatly. At the end of the day we returned to our airbnb in the Junction area and wanted for nothing, which is important to tourists obviously, but even more so for residents.
almost every labor day weekend i stay in south lake union area and the change over the years is unreal. its of course like 99% tech dominated now with a few boat yards left.
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i expect the seattle suburbs to gain a ton of new construction, considering the current postapocalpytic state of downtown and the continued growth in the metro area. eg Northgate mall, looks like its already being redeveloped quite a bit
Wow, the hyperbole!

Speaking as someone who lives here, it's quiet without many office workers, and many stores are boarded up, but about 1% as bad as you and Fox News (apparently) claim.

Belltown, where I live, is pretty normal and active. The takeout places are gangbusters. It might actually be busier than usual with thousands of people working from home.

Yes the suburbs are growing, much of that via the nodes I'm talking about, as well as the other downtowns starting with Downtown Bellevue's huge current boom (HQ1b etc.). But greater Downtown Seattle has the most construction as always, including a lot of residential projects breaking ground during covid.
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it reads as compressed chicago to me, with some compressed st. louis stuff. even the mid century stuff thats squished together and zero-lot-lined in this funny way.

I have never been to Chicago, and apparently the scale (street width, block size etc) makes it feel different on the ground, but from photo threads I have always felt that it is Montreal's closest analogue.
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To me, Montreal feels a bit more like Philly or Boston. I get that it's a more multifamily-oriented city, but the scale reads much more like those cities, IMO.

I don't see strong Chicago-Montreal similarities, at least at street level. Chicago's scale is supersized American Midwest; Montreal has the NE corridor scale.

But if we're talking cultural similarities, I could see Brooklyn as closest U.S. analogue.
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i expect the seattle suburbs to gain a ton of new construction, considering the current postapocalpytic state of downtown and the continued growth in the metro area. eg Northgate mall, looks like its already being redeveloped quite a bit
I'm floored that 40% of the country thinks like this. I know at this point, I shouldn't be, but still, wow.

I recently had a business call with a very highly educated, establishment gentleman with intergenerational wealth, residing in a rural, deep-red section of the country. He truly believes that America's cities are smoldering, anarchic ruins, analogous to Mogadishu or Benghazi. Meanwhile, from my window there are $4 million 2 bedrooms on sale a block away, and packed children's playgrounds.

It's very hard to sustain nationhood when there are two realities.
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I'm floored that 40% of the country thinks like this. I know at this point, I shouldn't be, but still, wow.

I recently had a business call with a very highly educated, establishment gentleman with intergenerational wealth, residing in a rural, deep-red section of the country. He truly believes that America's cities are smoldering, anarchic ruins, analogous to Mogadishu or Benghazi. Meanwhile, from my window there are $4 million 2 bedrooms on sale a block away, and packed children's playgrounds.

It's very hard to sustain nationhood when there are two realities.
how's the reality, a blog from an academic at U of Washington, not "fox news"

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/...-restored.html

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Take a walk around downtown Seattle. You will be shocked by a shuttered, dystopian city and made angry by the inaction and ineptness of its political leadership. It is simply beyond words.
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Sunday morning I took a two-hour walk across downtown Seattle and I was stunned by what I saw.
Block after block of boarded up stores, restaurants, and other buildings. A city in lockdown and afraid.

Many stores and businesses were covered in plywood. Some had impressive, three-dimensional triangular structures that I suppose offers more protection. Really looked like the ramparts of some medieval castle. Security guards were everywhere (see below).
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What didn't I see on my two-hour walk? Not a single police officer. Not one police car.

A boarded up central core of a major U.S. city was being left to the homeless, drug dealers, and security guards. Even the most notorious, crime-ridden corner of the city had no police. The streets of the city had become a fearful abandoned place.
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Violent individuals and groups have hidden within protest groups, attempting to destroy businesses both to deliver a political message of fear and to loot their contents. Dozens of police have been seriously injured by bottles and fireworks, or partially blinded by lasers. Even in my neighborhood, graffiti calling for the killing of police have been sprayed at a prominent location. No city can remain healthy if such anti-social activities are allowed to continue unchecked.

There has also been efforts to intimidate our city's political and civil leadership by taking rancorous protests to their homes, bringing fear to family and neighbors.

So how could a major world-class city, home to some of the most important businesses and academic institutions on the planet, allow itself to be crippled and demeaned this way? How could city and state leaders allow the undermining of the foundations of physical safety and rule of law that are the basic prerequisites of any functioning society?
reality is that downtown chicago was trashed last night by looters

reality is that Portland has had 70 days of violent riots (by the way the feds have left but the riots continue, whats up with that)

some reading for you, don't worry its the Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/u...-protests.html

reality is that downtown seattle had yet more violence and riots over the weekend

but hey as long as it stays on the other side of 4th avenue, eh
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Downtown Seattle is empty because of the pandemic, not because people are protesting killer cops.

All city centers are empty, everywhere, because offices are closed, and there are no tourists. But Seattle is very healthy and vibrant, obviously, and will not suffer any long-term economic damage from protests against brutality.

I have a cousin living in Portland, a few blocks from the protests. The idea that Portland is any different from any other pandemic-affected city is laughable. The protests are affecting two blocks of the core, which is obviously empty until there's a vaccine. The neighborhoods are vibrant and relatively "normal" and one would never know Portland has been the epicenter of recent protests.

And if you don't want "shuttered, dystopian cities" (really city centers), then mask up, distance, vote out the cancer in Nov. and normality will (eventually) ensue. A vaccine might be weeks away.
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I have never been to Chicago, and apparently the scale (street width, block size etc) makes it feel different on the ground, but from photo threads I have always felt that it is Montreal's closest analogue.

There's certainly a similarity in building typologies - the Chicago 3 flat vs the Montreal triplex. But yeah, on the ground it feels significantly different. Chicago is just much more spread out, for lack of a better term. Things tend to be both bigger and grander than anything in Canada, which has both positives and negatives.
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There's certainly a similarity in building typologies - the Chicago 3 flat vs the Montreal triplex. But yeah, on the ground it feels significantly different. Chicago is just much more spread out, for lack of a better term. Things tend to be both bigger and grander than anything in Canada, which has both positives and negatives.
Yeah, I can see that. That's what I hear. The Canadian cities have pretty much zero City Beautiful-era gigantism, for better and worse.

Still, though...

https://goo.gl/maps/SDfeoGyk3e5SvG1m9 (Chi)
https://goo.gl/maps/M4EAyfGZhedTesGq9 (Mtl)

There are some residential areas that line up pretty well. There is also that greystone typology too.
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I'm not seeing the strong resemblance, but it could be I'm too swayed by the cultural and socioeconomic differences.

Lincoln Park isn't really representative of Chicago vernacular. And I'm not sure that block is really representative of Lincoln Park, which has a crapload of new construction SFH interspersed with much more modest historic SFH. It's not really a rowhouse area.

And that Montreal Streetview looks like something in the furthest reaches of East Brooklyn. Like Canarsie or Old Mill Basin. Where Caribbeans, old Italians and young Orthodox Jews live.
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Businesses in the Downtown core waiting out the pandemic while boarding up means things are quiet, not "post apocalyptic." Jesus.
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Businesses in the Downtown core waiting out the pandemic while boarding up means things are quiet, not "post apocalyptic." Jesus.
You can also talk to anyone in Portland who can tell you that the protests/riots have pretty much taken up residence in an area of ~3 blocks and the rest of the city operates as normal. I'm sure Denizen will tell us that they might as well just demolish downtown office towers and move them to the suburbs since the city is basically Beirut circa 1990.

It must be a much simpler life to read a blog article and see 10 pictures from a place on the other side of the continent and immediately think you have a complete grasp of the situation on the ground.
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I'm not seeing the strong resemblance, but it could be I'm too swayed by the cultural and socioeconomic differences.

Lincoln Park isn't really representative of Chicago vernacular. And I'm not sure that block is really representative of Lincoln Park, which has a crapload of new construction SFH interspersed with much more modest historic SFH. It's not really a rowhouse area.

And that Montreal Streetview looks like something in the furthest reaches of East Brooklyn. Like Canarsie or Old Mill Basin. Where Caribbeans, old Italians and young Orthodox Jews live.
Well, like I said, I've never been to Chicago. Every time I see a photo thread here, I'm like "those are Montreal houses", but it just doesn't seem to be so in real life.
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