Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

Does the province own the land to build CPT to Oakbank?

Why wouldn't they just build the CPT to the Perimeter and then upgrade 15 to Dugald to 2 lanes each way separated?

Been a long time since I heard the specific details of the Oak Bank corridor piece. I think it ultimately comes down to land acquisition costs. Building between Oak Bank and Dugald would go primarily through farm land while twinning of HWY 15 would mean expropriation of homes and businesses and need to go from Dugald to Plessis. Even then the alignment would still not exist for the east-west corridor route.

That is why I think the plan ultimately includes a tail to the route which would basically feed the corridor traffic on and off of HWY 15 east of the town of Dugald. This would have a similar effect to twinning HWY 15 for traffic east of Dugald. The implementation would be similar to how CentrePort Canada Way replaced Inkster between Route 90 and the Perimeter.

[esquire]

I wonder if there is any intention on MIT's part to extend the Headingley Bypass/CCW/Chief Peguis Trail/Oakbank Expressway past Oakbank? It would be weird for this route to just abruptly end at Oakbank with no direct access to the TCH East. Perhaps it will ultimately continue to PTH 12 and route traffic back to the TCH near Ste. Anne?

On a related note, it is weird that MIT and the City are planning to put so much money into building what amounts to another bypass route when the existing one (i.e., the Perimeter) is still so terribly deficient.

[steveosnyder]

Originally Posted by esquire

I wonder if there is any intention on MIT's part to extend the Headingley Bypass/CCW/Chief Peguis Trail/Oakbank Expressway past Oakbank? It would be weird for this route to just abruptly end at Oakbank with no direct access to the TCH East. Perhaps it will ultimately continue to PTH 12 and route traffic back to the TCH near Ste. Anne?

On a related note, it is weird that MIT and the City are planning to put so much money into building what amounts to another bypass route when the existing one (i.e., the Perimeter) is still so terribly deficient.

Wait, so building a by-pass to a by-pass is a bad idea? Who ever would have thought that?

As an aside, here is a good video with Tennessee's DOT Commissioner on his methodology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi1SCtH1wHg

[CoryB]

As has been posted before, the original vision for Winnipeg was to have an outer ring road (the Perimeter) and an inner ring road (which didn't happen). The inner ring road is something that is again being actively pursued. The CCW/CPT/et all road is actually the eastern leg of the new inner ring road plan. Lag and Bishop are two of the other pieces with a mix of the Clement parkway and some new roads being looked at for the western road.

The by-pass connections outside the Perimeter are also intended to serve as upgrades to existing roadways. The expropriation costs for HWY 15 make a new road through farm land more appealing. As for the Headingley side, expanded the low speed road to six or more lanes would not be a real benefit, instead we will get a four lane high speed road. Again the cost difference will partly be covered by lower land acquisitions costs.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

As has been posted before, the original vision for Winnipeg was to have an outer ring road (the Perimeter) and an inner ring road (which didn't happen). The inner ring road is something that is again being actively pursued. The CCW/CPT/et all road is actually the eastern leg of the new inner ring road plan. Lag and Bishop are two of the other pieces with a mix of the Clement parkway and some new roads being looked at for the western road.

The inner ring route is badly screwed up for a variety of reasons, but mainly because it is about 40 years out of date with serious capacity issues pretty well everywhere, and there is also no way of closing the gap between the north end of Clement Pkwy and Centreport Canada Way to make it a continuous route without buying out all the houses along Moray at huge expense.

The ship has sailed on making it anything like an expressway... the best that the City can do is to turn it into a slightly higher speed regional arterial. It's amazing that they haven't turned it into a full 6 lane route given how badly choked the Lagimodiere/Bishop Grandin/south Kenaston parts of it are.

[bomberjet]

The ring road actually isn't supposed to be Lag. It's the Ed Schreyer parkway. The City bunged that up at the tall grass prairie thing on Regent, due to pressure from citizens. They then sold all the right of way south of Regent (Mitsubishi and all the new houses/townhouses). So it's a big mess. Lag is the defacto part of the ring road there now. Unless some uber expensive tunnel project went ahead to get ESP connecting from regent to plessis underpass.

[esquire]

^ The City gave up on building a totally new eastern ring road alignment quite a few years ago (hence the selloff of part of the right of way for homes, and conversion to park use). For what it's worth, it makes sense... with Lagimodiere not that far away you have to wonder whether it makes sense to have two major N/S routes so close to one another. It made more sense to widen and upgrade Lagimodiere instead, although clearly that hasn't happened.

[EastK]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The ring road actually isn't supposed to be Lag. It's the Ed Schreyer parkway. The City bunged that up at the tall grass prairie thing on Regent, due to pressure from citizens. They then sold all the right of way south of Regent (Mitsubishi and all the new houses/townhouses). So it's a big mess. Lag is the defacto part of the ring road there now. Unless some uber expensive tunnel project went ahead to get ESP connecting from regent to plessis underpass.

Isn't that a good thing though? The Ed Schreyer parkway would just be another expressway filled with traffic lights and seems kind of redundant considering how close it is to Lag. Why not invest some of that money in improving Lag? Maybe its naive but I'd love to see overpasses built at Grassie, Marion, Fermor, Bishop and so on.

[Reignman]

Anybody aware of what's going on with McPhillips/101 cloverleaf? Friend of mine was saying that the 101 traffic is going to be temporarily re-routed around for work on the interchange? I havent heard of anything planned for that interchange and don't see why there would be as the deck was rebuilt not too long ago.

[Riverman]

Was through there today, nothing going on.

[Phil's neighbour]

Prep work was being done on McPhillips last fall. They paved part of the median for what could be a bypass and installed a post for traffic lights coming off the east-bound exit.

Originally Posted by Reignman

Anybody aware of what's going on with McPhillips/101 cloverleaf? Friend of mine was saying that the 101 traffic is going to be temporarily re-routed around for work on the interchange? I havent heard of anything planned for that interchange and don't see why there would be as the deck was rebuilt not too long ago.

[bomberjet]

Pretty sure it's scheduled for rehab works. Were the ramps paved last year? That might be what it's for.

[bomberjet]

Tender in December for traffic signals at that location.

Asphalt pavement on PTH 101 from CCW north to PTH 6. Was that done last year?

Didn't find any tender information for anything else at the interchange. But there is a ton of asphalt paving going on all over the place. So again I'm guessing pavement of at least the ramps and maybe a structure rehab, but not sure.

There's tenders for traffic lights on 1A in Brandon I noticed too. But 1A is the through town route?

[CoryB]

Could the McPhillips and 101 work be related to the bridge being hit by a truck a year or two back?

[Biff]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Could the McPhillips and 101 work be related to the bridge being hit by a truck a year or two back?

It is just MIT replacing all aging structures. The girders and deck will be replaced this summer.

[bomberjet]

^MIT has been doing very well IMO on that front. Fixing all existing structures before going full fledge on new.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

^MIT has been doing very well IMO on that front. Fixing all existing structures before going full fledge on new.

The surface quality of highways is far better than 8 years ago.

[Reignman]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

^MIT has been doing very well IMO on that front. Fixing all existing structures before going full fledge on new.

Definitely...just wish it wouldn't take two years to rehab an interchange as it did with the Fermor/100 and Pembina/100 interchanges. Construction crews should be working on those 24/7 to get them finished in an acceptable timeframe.

Coulda sworn the McPhillips one was already rehabbed recently but must be thinking of Route 90?

[bomberjet]

Main street was strengthened maybe 5-10 years ago. Don't think anything been doing with the route 90 bridge. But I think the ramps were paved. Hwy 7 is also getting a pavement rehab up to hwy 67.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The ring road actually isn't supposed to be Lag. It's the Ed Schreyer parkway. The City bunged that up at the tall grass prairie thing on Regent, due to pressure from citizens. They then sold all the right of way south of Regent (Mitsubishi and all the new houses/townhouses). So it's a big mess. Lag is the defacto part of the ring road there now. Unless some uber expensive tunnel project went ahead to get ESP connecting from regent to plessis underpass.

WOW Winnipeg WAS far sighted... Imagine how good it would of been if you had built it right, instead of all the crap you have now. An actual high speed road with grade seperation... Thankfully I live in Saskatchewan where we did some of that, and now are continuing to design proper roadways.