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Old Posted Jun 3, 2016, 9:03 PM
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I'm curious as to who created that map, as much of the text from the project descriptions is practically verbatim from my project list. (Although I also suspect it was DTP, as they were requested to provide Caterpillar a slew of information on downtown, even though the development map on their website is very minimal and outdated.)
Yeah, I noticed that on the Armory listing. It honestly confused me at first.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2016, 12:05 AM
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141 South Stone is the parking lot behind the Scottish Rite where folks have been working to get a public plaza, but the owners aren't too keen on un-rentalbe square footage.

They hinted last year that some sort of development was on the way.

Below is one UA architect's proposal for the plaza concept
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2016, 6:40 PM
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I'm curious as to who created that map, as much of the text from the project descriptions is practically verbatim from my project list. (Although I also suspect it was DTP, as they were requested to provide Caterpillar a slew of information on downtown, even though the development map on their website is very minimal and outdated.)
Kaneui thank you for keeping that list. I visit it regularly and provide the link to people who don't quite yet understand how much this city will change in the next 5-7 years. You have provided us with a lot of information over the years. Thanks again.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2016, 10:32 PM
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New article on new shopping center near Irvington and I-19 that I had reported on earlier.

Tucson to get major new shopping center

Plans for a major shopping center and on-site hotel on the city’s southwest side are underway.

Bourn Cos. is planning the outdoor center on Irvington Road, west of Interstate 19, and is in negotiations with several retailers, restaurants and hotel chains.

The 58-acre site will be developed in phases, with about 220,000 square feet of shopping space to come online by fall of 2017, said developer Alan Tanner of Bourn.

At full build-out — in about 3½ years — the center could have up to 600,000 square feet of retail space.

Anchor tenants will be on the west side of the center, facing I-19.

Restaurants and retailers will dot the east and south sides, facing the interstate and Irvington Road.

The site is owned by the city of Tucson and used by Tucson Water as a facilities yard.

The City Council voted unanimously last month to rezone the parcel from residential to commercial.

A required land study is being done before the sale of the land to Bourn can close. Developers hope to buy the land at the end of the month. A sale price has not been determined.

The center’s southern neighbor, the successful Tucson Spectrum, sits on 122 acres and has more than 1 million square feet of retail space. Phase 1 was developed in 2001 and Phase 2 in 2008. Phase 1 of the property sits closest to Irvington Road and is anchored by Target and Home Depot. Phase 2 is anchored by Harkins Theatres and JC Penney.

The city placed a restriction on property that will house the new shopping center, which prohibited retail development there until March 2017 as an incentive for developers to build out Tucson Spectrum.

“When there’s need you get creative,” said City Councilwoman Regina Romero. “We often get criticized for selling land, but it’s not just any land, it’s an opportunity beyond one-time revenue for the city. This will help bring sales taxes and jobs and other investment in the area.”

She said Bourn sat down with the city staff and neighbors to hear about the needs and wants.

“It’s very cool because, in the end, we’re getting a good product,” Romero said. “It’s a great opportunity for the city of Tucson.”

MEXICAN SHOPPERS
Developers want the new center to build on the success of Spectrum.

They held outreach meetings with residents who asked for more food options, especially family-oriented sit-down spots and entertainment venues, Tanner said.

Interested retailers include apparel, health care, beauty and service providers.

An alternative to a big-box grocery store is also under consideration, at the request of residents.

“We want to complement what exists across the street and give shoppers a deeper selection,” Tanner said.

To ease traffic concerns, Bourn will widen Irvington Road and add two westbound lanes from I-19: one right-turn-only lane into the shopping center and one pass-through lane.

The Arizona Department of Transportation is also adding a third right-turn lane off of I-19 onto westbound Irvington Road.

The yet-to-be-named center will have multiple entrances and align with the traffic light at Calle Santa Cruz for access to both shopping centers.

“We’re excited to be developing an infill project with strong infrastructure around it,” Tanner said.

More than 100,000 vehicles travel that intersection every day, data from the Pima Association of Governments show.

The median age of residents in that area is 29.7 — versus 34.3, the median age in metro Tucson, according to a CBRE market overview.

“UNDER-RETAILED”
Bourn was attracted to the location after conducting a study on the southwest-side trade area.

Some retailers expressed concerns that incomes in the surrounding neighborhoods were lower than in the rest of the city, Tanner said.

The success of Spectrum proved the underserved part of the city would patronize local retail sites.

“It’s dramatically under-retailed,” said Tanner. “Retailers do better because there are less choices.”

And, many retailers report their best performing Arizona stores are in the Spectrum Mall.

There are about 325,000 residents in the area around Spectrum Mall, similar to the population around Tucson Mall and Park Place.

But, by contrast, the Tucson Mall “trade area” has about 7.6 million square feet of retail space within 7 miles; the Park Place trade area has 7.5 million square feet and the trade area where the new shopping center is planned has 3 million square feet of retail space.

A chain hotel, perhaps more than one, will be part of the development in a nod to the Mexican shoppers who, state tourism officials say, spend more than $1 billion a year on hotels, restaurants and shopping in Arizona.

SUCCESS STORY
It would be the only I-19 hotel option. Many visitors from Mexico now stay at the airport hotels or in the casinos on the city’s southwest side.

“Spectrum has done a very good job of targeting the Mexican visitors,” Tanner said, noting that it’s the first major shopping center visitors see when arriving in Tucson from the south. “We have the opportunity to get them first and get them last.”

Nancy McClure, first vice president of CBRE Tucson, led the leasing of Spectrum.

“The proximity of this 1.1 million-square-foot regional power center along Interstate 19 allows it to pull from quite a distance with a short drive time, including the outlying communities such as Green Valley, Sahuarita, and as far away as neighboring Mexico,” she said.

“Most, if not all (of the retailers), have bilingual staff and some even have dual-language signage on the inside of the stores to make it comfortable for the Mexican nationals to come and enjoy their shopping and dining experience and spend money,” McClure said. “Those businesses who have decided to be in the Tucson Spectrum enjoy some of the strongest sales in their chains in Tucson and Arizona. It’s a great story.”
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2016, 1:43 AM
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Kaneui thank you for keeping that list. I visit it regularly and provide the link to people who don't quite yet understand how much this city will change in the next 5-7 years. You have provided us with a lot of information over the years. Thanks again.
I'll second this - this thread and the contributions Kaneui and others make to it are very much appreciated!
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2016, 3:37 PM
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A review of pending liquor licenses shows that a Series 6 application was filed for a bar called "Owl's Club" in the old Bring Funeral Home, so there's some movement there. Owl's Club was a fraternal order and there's an Owl's Club Mansion in the Presidio so my guess is this will be a period-themed speakeasy-type place. We'll see.
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2016, 10:32 PM
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Tucson economy sees strongest growth since the recession

"...Tucson has the most educated workers on average in the state"

Hope this, economic growth and urbanism, continues.
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2016, 5:01 AM
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141 South Stone is the parking lot behind the Scottish Rite where folks have been working to get a public plaza, but the owners aren't too keen on un-rentalbe square footage.

They hinted last year that some sort of development was on the way.

Below is one UA architect's proposal for the plaza concept
It's a shame that Holualoa Co's. aren't using Bob Vint's Plaza San Agustin design proposed several years ago that would have created a classic, Old World-style plaza, connecting the new project to the cathedral. Yes, we're getting rid of another surface parking lot, but it could have been so much more.
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Who built the Old World Plazas?

By and large, those Old World style plazas were built in social-political-economic atmospheres that most of us would prefer not to live in. Return to the reign of the Medicis anyone?
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2016, 8:40 PM
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I was reading through the current BizTucson yesterday and, like usual, they have an article on downtown development. We know about almost everything that was discussed but I had never heard of one project mentioned in passing - One Forty One South.

The rendering is the bottom center image in this collage.



A Google search revealed a Google map of downtown projects, which looks a lot like kaneui's but I think is from Downtown Tucson's website, that includes the full rendering.




The location is 141 South Stone, between Ochoa and Corral, just north of the Stone Avenue Homes. I couldn't find anything on PRO and it hasn't gone before the Infill Incentive District Design Review Committee
I love that its infill...I would probably receive many rebuttals regarding its height (5 stories) due to its proximity to older 1 to 2 story homes, I would like to see a bit higher...but again, in true Tucson fashion the rendering looks a lot like the District on 6th St. Its very long, 5 stories, architecturally many similarities. I would love to see some imagination vertically...maybe develop half that lot and go up. Again, its exciting to see infill...but hoping for something out of the box.

Theoretically, it could go 10...especially with the amount of units, but my guess is that appeasing the neighborhood is always the path of least resistance...and saves time and $$$.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 11:00 AM
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Cathedral Square projects in downtown Tucson advance

BTW, I would love Tucson to have it's own plaza on the condition that it be much more spacious than the one shown. Rainbow Bridge? I'd bring it back. 30 plus floor buildings. Why not. A freestanding tower. Build it. And yes, a crosstown freeway cut in the middle of Tucson. Heh heh heh.

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Old Posted Jun 8, 2016, 11:08 AM
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Build the Rainbow Bridge. Profits for this bridge will be use to fund Tucson schools.





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Build the Rainbow Bridge. Profits for this bridge will be use to fund Tucson schools.





I'm down for a rainbow bridge but perhaps a scaled down pedestrian version. I never really could get behind the original concept because at the time it seemed a bit much. Not trying to ruffle feather with this comment but just my $.02.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2016, 12:40 AM
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Build the Rainbow Bridge. Profits for this bridge will be use to fund Tucson schools.





No, no, just no.

Rio Nuevo spent how many hundreds of millions of dollars on pie-in-the-sky projects like this? With what to show for it? A few parking garages? Rio Nuevo is finally getting their sh*t together and contributing to the rebirth of downtown. Do we all wish we'd get bigger than 6-8 story buildings downtown? Of course. But we need to look at the successes we are seeing downtown and be pleased, while we continue to look to the future. A boondoggle like this is a gigantic waste of taxpayers money. If private money wants to be spent on this, then OK, but until then, no public funds for this, please.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2016, 2:42 AM
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If someone gets the bridge built, fine. But the Santa Cruz near downtown is an eyesore. For me the biggest flaw with the bridge is the vistas of sand, cement and old motels.

Spending the same money on a park-like riparian area with more gradual or perhaps terraced banks would do a lot more for downtown than an scenic arch over blight. Tucson learned the hard way it is best to increase property value in general than to build up one parcel and hope others follow.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2016, 12:46 PM
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Arizona gives public first glimpse of proposed Interstate 11 routes

Sorry for the large image (again). I wished there's a way to control the size.

Anyways, thanks for the input with that Rainbow Bridge. The expensive blue prints are hidden someplace, so building this 'multi-million dollar blueprinted monster' is highly probable in the future. Public-Private partnership? Since Hillary Clinton has a good chance of winning and that the statistical numbers over the next 8 years points to a very robust economy, I'd say this 'giant piece of steel' will likely be built in the next 8 years.

There needs to have a cross-town freeway between I-10 and I-11. Hope I-11 gets built to the west end.

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No, no, just no.

Rio Nuevo spent how many hundreds of millions of dollars on pie-in-the-sky projects like this? With what to show for it? A few parking garages? Rio Nuevo is finally getting their sh*t together and contributing to the rebirth of downtown. Do we all wish we'd get bigger than 6-8 story buildings downtown? Of course. But we need to look at the successes we are seeing downtown and be pleased, while we continue to look to the future. A boondoggle like this is a gigantic waste of taxpayers money. If private money wants to be spent on this, then OK, but until then, no public funds for this, please.
I agree. We can talk about 25-30 story buildings and unique architecture, but it is all meaningless if it sits empty. Demand for commerical and residential is slowly building up downtown and we dont want to outpace demand.
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You know, we don't have to engage these same worthless talking points for the 20th time.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2016, 1:06 AM
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You know, we don't have to engage these same worthless talking points for the 20th time.
You know, you don't have read these 'worthless talking points'.

How about starting your own forum. This should fix your angst towards folks who don't agree with your standards.

And btw, remind your neighborhood association friends to just leave Tucson. They are getting worthless each passing day.

Please don't take this personal. OK 'Ted'.
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