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I think what the high number of professional degrees in and near DC says is just that (a) there are a ton of lawyers in government, lobbying government, defending those in government and litigating what government does, and (b) the government also hires a lot of those with masters, MD and PhD degrees (as well as lawyers) in vast institutions like NIH, assorted defense research labs and so on. In New York there may be a lot of lawyers practicing corporate law and there are also at least 4 academic medical campuses (that I can think of right now).
Or you just have to be highly educated to get a job and afford the rent in NYC, unless you shack up with 4 people for a 1-bedroom apartment.
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Well, I wasn't saying that. You certainly don't have to be. Just that it shows a rather remarkable (though not unexpected) concentration of highly-educated people in the DC area... I mean, the first 6 most educated counties in the entire nation concentrated in one metro area... that's certainly a demographic point of interest.

New York really isn't that well represented in this classification.
They’re also unusually suburban and homogenous, and the DC area is not a major entry point for immigration, which is another factor that keeps most of the NY area off of this list.
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They’re also unusually suburban and homogenous, and the DC area is not a major entry point for immigration, which is another factor that keeps most of the NY area off of this list.
Exactly
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New York really isn't that well represented in this classification.
True, but NYC metro, like LA or Miami, has a shit-ton of working class immigrants from third world who rarely have higher education, as well as a million Ultra Orthodox who never have it.

DC doesn't have much of either demographic, and you can discard Arlington/Alexandria which are really city-counties. It's really Montgomery County, MD which appears to be the most highly educated major county (not surprising given no blue collar areas and preponderance of govt and biotech).

Montgomery County is pretty much the archetypal blue-leaning, NPR listening, professional class, centrist-progressive Clinton county.
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Median HH Income, Under Age 25:
San Francisco, CA $69,023
Silver Spring, MD $21,955
Yeah, because the households are all multiple wage earners because without roommates people that age couldn't afford to live in San Fran.
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True, but NYC metro, like LA or Miami, has a shit-ton of working class immigrants from third world who rarely have higher education, as well as a million Ultra Orthodox who never have it.

DC doesn't have much of either demographic, and you can discard Arlington/Alexandria which are really city-counties. It's really Montgomery County, MD which appears to be the most highly educated major county (not surprising given no blue collar areas and preponderance of govt and biotech).

Montgomery County is pretty much the archetypal blue-leaning, NPR listening, professional class, centrist-progressive Clinton county.
Yup, I know. Lived in Manhattan and Queens and in Montgomery County, MD... so I've experienced the atmosphere.
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Yeah, because the households are all multiple wage earners because without roommates people that age couldn't afford to live in San Fran.
Actually this doesnt make sense given the data. San Francisco has a lot of high earning under 25s.

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Interesting that being the most educated counties doesnt necessarily equate to the highest earners...

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1. Arlington VA 71.5%
2. Alexandria city VA 62.8%
3. Fairfax, VA 60.3%
4. Howard, MD 59.9%
5. New York, NY (Manhattan) 59.9%
6. Loudoun VA 58.7%
7. Montgomery MD 58.5%
8. Boulder CO 58%
9. Douglas CO 56.5%
10. Hamilton IN 56.3%
11. Williamson TN 56.1%
12. Marin, CA 55.2%
13. Washington, DC 55%
14. Orange NC 55%
15. San Francisco CA 54.2%
16. Somerset NJ 53.7%
17. Johnson IA 53.6%
18. Benton OR 53.5%
19. Washtenaw MI 53%
20. Morris NJ 53%
21. Johnson KS 52.8%
22. Tompkins NY 52.4%
23. Middlesex MA 52.3%
24. Delaware OH 52.2%
25. Norfolk MA 51.9%
Counties by Average Income, Top 5% of all households, $500,000+:
New York, NY $871,810
Fairfield, CT $813,869
Marin, CA $806,290
Westchester, NY $771,113
San Mateo, CA $723,869
San Francisco, CA $655,664
Norfolk, MA $624,853
Ozaukee, WI $620,119
Santa Clara, CA $617,848
Williamson, TN $611,615
Nassau, NY $610,761
Morris, NJ $609,577
Collier, FL $606,132
Somerset, NJ $598,942
Washington, DC $588,187
Chester, PA $586,510
Fairfax, VA $584,740
Hunterdon, NJ $582,204
Montgomery, MD $580,300
Lake, IL $570,287
Arlington, VA $568,894
Union, NJ $552,746
Bergen, NJ $548,129
Fulton, GA $542,226
Mercer, NJ $540,341
Alexandria, VA $530,556
King, WA $522,723
James, VA $521,976
Monmouth, NJ $519,652
Fort Bend, TX $518,176
Contra Costa, CA $518,031
Montgomery, TX $516,384
Essex, NJ $515,197
Orange, CA $514,839
Montgomery, TX $512,684
Middlesex, MA $511,126
Douglas, CO $508,609
Howard, MD $506,148
Middlesex, CT $505,523
Indian River, FL $502,490
Hamilton, IN $502,379
Martin, FL $501,377
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You're talking about the top 5% in each of these counties though, and the educational profile of that group almost certainly exceeds the county as a whole. So Westchester isn't going to include old working class cities like Yonkers and Mount Vernon. Scarsdale, Larchmont etc. have very high levels of educational attainment.

(Speaking of that I don't see Westchester on your list).
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Interesting that being the most educated counties doesnt necessarily equate to the highest earners...
The top 5% are going to have a very different profile in, say, Manhattan than in some random American upper middle class suburban county.

And this thread's "highly educated" rankings are a bit fuzzy, because they're aren't weighted for educational quality. Harvard is considered the same as SW Dakota State or wherever. Someplace like NY County will have tons of Ivy League grads and equivalent, someplace like Wake County, NC (Raleigh metro) or Loudon County, VA (DC exurbia) will have tons of bachelors but comparatively few elite degree holders.

Also, are you sure Westchester County, NY isn't missing from that list? The economic profile of top 5% earners in Westchester shouldn't be that different from adjacent Fairfield County, CT. Both are heavily weighted towards finance, biglaw and c-level corporate.
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You're talking about the top 5% in each of these counties though, and the educational profile of that group almost certainly exceeds the county as a whole. So Westchester isn't going to include old working class cities like Yonkers and Mount Vernon. Scarsdale, Larchmont etc. have very high levels of educational attainment.

(Speaking of that I don't see Westchester on your list).
Thank u for catching that.
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The top 5% are going to have a very different profile in, say, Manhattan than in some random American upper middle class suburban county.

And this thread's "highly educated" rankings are a bit fuzzy, because they're aren't weighted for educational quality. Harvard is considered the same as SW Dakota State or wherever. Someplace like NY County will have tons of Ivy League grads and equivalent, someplace like Wake County, NC (Raleigh metro) or Loudon County, VA (DC exurbia) will have tons of bachelors but comparatively few elite degree holders.

Also, are you sure Westchester County, NY isn't missing from that list? The economic profile of top 5% earners in Westchester shouldn't be that different from adjacent Fairfield County, CT. Both are heavily weighted towards finance, biglaw and c-level corporate.
Yup I goofed. Westchester has been added
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The top 5% are going to have a very different profile in, say, Manhattan than in some random American upper middle class suburban county.

And this thread's "highly educated" rankings are a bit fuzzy, because they're aren't weighted for educational quality. Harvard is considered the same as SW Dakota State or wherever. Someplace like NY County will have tons of Ivy League grads and equivalent, someplace like Wake County, NC (Raleigh metro) or Loudon County, VA (DC exurbia) will have tons of bachelors but comparatively few elite degree holders.

Also, are you sure Westchester County, NY isn't missing from that list? The economic profile of top 5% earners in Westchester shouldn't be that different from adjacent Fairfield County, CT. Both are heavily weighted towards finance, biglaw and c-level corporate.
You only go to Harvard or any Ivy League school for the connections these days or the prestige that comes with having a degree that says "Harvard" on it. If you don't want to be educated (formally or otherwise), that's on you. Both a Jackson State grad and Harvard grad can both do a job well if both apply themselves.
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Interesting that being the most educated counties doesnt necessarily equate to the highest earners...



Counties by Average Income, Top 5% of all households, $500,000+:
New York, NY $871,810
Fairfield, CT $813,869
Marin, CA $806,290
Westchester, NY $771,113
San Mateo, CA $723,869
San Francisco, CA $655,664
Norfolk, MA $624,853
Ozaukee, WI $620,119
Santa Clara, CA $617,848
Williamson, TN $611,615
Nassau, NY $610,761
Morris, NJ $609,577
Collier, FL $606,132
Somerset, NJ $598,942
Washington, DC $588,187
Chester, PA $586,510
Fairfax, VA $584,740
Hunterdon, NJ $582,204
Montgomery, MD $580,300
Lake, IL $570,287
Arlington, VA $568,894
Union, NJ $552,746
Bergen, NJ $548,129
Fulton, GA $542,226
Mercer, NJ $540,341
Alexandria, VA $530,556
King, WA $522,723
James, VA $521,976
Monmouth, NJ $519,652
Fort Bend, TX $518,176
Contra Costa, CA $518,031
Montgomery, TX $516,384
Essex, NJ $515,197
Orange, CA $514,839
Montgomery, TX $512,684
Middlesex, MA $511,126
Douglas, CO $508,609
Howard, MD $506,148
Middlesex, CT $505,523
Indian River, FL $502,490
Hamilton, IN $502,379
Martin, FL $501,377
Maybe by Top 5%, but I imagine the wealthiest counties pretty closely mirrors the most educated. I'm sure Loudon, Fairfax, Montgomery, Arlington, Howard, etc... the DC area... are all pretty high on the wealthiest list.
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Maybe by Top 5%, but I imagine the wealthiest counties pretty closely mirrors the most educated. I'm sure Loudon, Fairfax, Montgomery, Arlington, Howard, etc... the DC area... are all pretty high on the wealthiest list.
By median income, almost certainly. DC doesn't have the same proportion of wealthy as NYC or Bay Area but has a crapload of well-paid upper middle class govt and related private sector (contractors, law firms) jobs.

Compare Westchester to Montgomery. They're pretty similar counties (educated, establishment NPR center-left elites), but Westchester has significantly higher incomes at the top (and I'm guessing lower incomes at the bottom). Wall Street produces far more high earners and Westchester probably has more poor (they have all-nonwhite census tracts that are demographically the same as housing projects in the poorest parts of NYC).
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By median income, almost certainly. DC doesn't have the same proportion of wealthy as NYC or Bay Area but has a crapload of well-paid upper middle class govt and related private sector (contractors, law firms) jobs.

Compare Westchester to Montgomery. They're pretty similar counties (educated, establishment NPR center-left elites), but Westchester has significantly higher incomes at the top (and I'm guessing lower incomes at the bottom). Wall Street produces far more high earners and Westchester probably has more poor.
Right... it always seemed that just about everyone in Bethesda, Rockville, Potomac, etc. area was making pretty nice coin, but would not really be considered wealthy by NYC/Bay Area-type standards.
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You only go to Harvard or any Ivy League school for the connections these days or the prestige that comes with having a degree that says "Harvard" on it. If you don't want to be educated (formally or otherwise), that's on you. Both a Jackson State grad and Harvard grad can both do a job well if both apply themselves.
Don'tcha mean Jacksonville State?
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Don'tcha mean Jacksonville State?
Which is funny because there's actually a school called that.
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Small counties obviously can isolate the favored quarter more easily.

My county includes the core city, the favored suburban third, the poorer suburban third, and maybe 1,200 square miles of complete wilderness. It'll never have per capita superlatives.
Yes.

My county, for example, the most populous in the US (Los Angeles County), as of 2017 has about 10 million people. According to this (http://www.towncharts.com/California...tion-data.html), as of 2017, 31% of LA County residents have a bachelors or higher. That's 3.1 million people.

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Or you just have to be highly educated to get a job and afford the rent in NYC, unless you shack up with 4 people for a 1-bedroom apartment.
The correlation between being highly educated and being able to afford Manhattan/SF level rents is tenuous--especially in Manhattan, working in finance, for example, doesn't usually require one. I think it has more to do with what industries are present and the specific educational requirments to work for them. The greatest requirement for advanced degrees in coastal cities are probably law and medicine, and in some specific locations with universities or research labs, PhDs.
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