Will the Migration from "Snowbelt" to "Sunbelt" Reverse in the U.S.?

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Let’s not go overboard, when people talk about the “rustbelt”, they obviously aren’t talking about Chicago’s West Loop or Lakeview, etc.

Even the “rustbelt” has pockets of vibrancy even outside of Chicago.

The problem is, these pockets have yet to make a dent on what is otherwise a story of demographic stagnation or decline

they’ve made a hell of a dent (as lived experience) compared to say baseline 2005 everywhere except the worst case scenario /small city rustbelt as found in say central illinois.

for those of us familiar with midwestern urban cores.

if you live on wikipedia it’s not going to be as apparent.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by bnk

Where do you think Those Michigan Grads, and Big Ten Grads end up?

They end up in suburban sprawl, for the most part.

Yes, educated 20-somethings have always flocked to big cities (not many entry level professional jobs in the sticks), but the vast majority are living in sprawl once they get to mid-30's.

[mthd]

these kind of threads remind me of my long held simple rule for places i'd be willing to live. i will not live anywhere where exposure to the weather alone for a reasonable period of time (days or a week, not months) would kill me.

[dc_denizen]

Most will be living in suburbs, which is not the same as living in sprawl (outside of atlanta).

[dc_denizen]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

they’ve made a hell of a dent (as lived experience) compared to say baseline 2005 everywhere except the worst case scenario /small city rustbelt as found in say central illinois.

for those of us familiar with midwestern urban cores.

if you live on wikipedia it’s not going to be as apparent.

northern ohio, specifically cleveland, youngstown, akron, canton, and toledo, is the 'buckle of the rust belt'. this is where the 'rust belt mentality', if such a thing exists, is the strongest.

I want to quote this section from Franzen's 'The Corrections' about the Erie Belt Railroad in Ohio:

Everywhere Alfred went in the Erie Belt's hinterland he heard young Erie Belt employees telling one another, 'take it easy!'.
'See ya later Sam. Don't work too hard, now.'
'Take it easy.'
'You too pal, take it easy.'

The phrase seemed to Alfred an eastern blight, a fitting epitaph for a once-great state, Ohio that parasitic teamsters had sucked nearly dry. Nobody in St Jude would dare tell him to take it easy. On the high prairie where he'd grown up , a person who took it easy wasn't much of a man. Now came a new effeminate generation for whom 'easygoing' was a compliment. Alfred heard Erie Belt track gangs yukking it up on company time, he saw flashily dressed clerks taking ten minute breaks for coffee, he watched callow draftsmen smoke cigarettes with insinuating relish while a once-solid railroad fell to pieces all around them. 'Take it easy' was the watchword of these superfriendly young men, the token of their overfamiliarity, the false reassurance that enabled them to ignore the filth they worked in.

I really don't see the rust belt as extending much outside OH. (FYI I am from Ohio).

Detroit- suburbs too rich and white collar to be rust belt
Chicago - too much investment, too rich and successful
minneapolis - too many scandinavians to be rust belt
st louis - economy too diversified
Indiana - too republican, manufacturing sector actually thriving
Pittsburgh - too east coast

etc.

[skyscraperpage17]

Here another article and some more interesting stats (not sure if they were posted before)...

After nearly 100 years, Great Migration begins reversal

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rsal/21818127/

[BrownTown]

Does that map seriously include West Virginia, Maryland and Delaware as part of the South? How absurd..

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

Does that map seriously include West Virginia, Maryland and Delaware as part of the South? How absurd..

Maryland and West Virginia are south of the Mason-Dixon line (the demarcation between the North and the South).

The US Census also classifies Delaware as being a part of the South.

[Eightball]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

northern ohio, specifically cleveland, youngstown, akron, canton, and toledo, is the 'buckle of the rust belt'. this is where the 'rust belt mentality', if such a thing exists, is the strongest.

I want to quote this section from Franzen's 'The Corrections' about the Erie Belt Railroad in Ohio:


I really don't see the rust belt as extending much outside OH. (FYI I am from Ohio).

Detroit- suburbs too rich and white collar to be rust belt
Chicago - too much investment, too rich and successful
minneapolis - too many scandinavians to be rust belt
st louis - economy too diversified
Indiana - too republican, manufacturing sector actually thriving
Pittsburgh - too east coast

etc.

Is this for real?
Yes Detroit suburbs are rich but have the city is abandoned and downtown booming but now gentrification and almost all successful African Americans have left because taxes way too high for services and abandoned houses are insane.
Chicago- booming in a lot of areas but only major city to be losing population, horrific crime, city and state budgets are insane and they won't make the hard decisions on pensions etc which hold property prices down crazy. They keep raising property taxes instead of dealing with it. Terrible winters too
Minneapolis - idek may be great isn't that the fake white Paradise with no minorities and still bad weather
St Louis- strengths but most residents I see who comment here wouldn't call it booming. A lot of potential tho but no on ppl radar and very racist too
Indiana- other than Universities who wants to live there. Come on no offense tho parties in the farms where you party in the barns next to corn stocks fire tho. What economic strength tho?
Pittsburgh - booming but still loosing population bc of old people problems and Yinzers. River towns nearby a mess. Will it grow? Definitely getting wealthier tho. Pennslytucky state government doesn't help either and isolated and spending too much on sports teams

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by BG918

That same region/climate zone extends into the eastern parts of Washington and Oregon. There is a stark divide between the wet areas along the coast and inland river valleys and the drier interior.

Oh I know, I've stayed in Leavenworth, Washington a couple times, and driven to Vegas from Vancouver a couple times too. The Coast Mountain divide is wicked.

[10023]

The whole “reverse great migration” thing is unconvincing. In order for this to be a story, blacks would have to be moving South in greater proportions than whites, and I don’t think that’s what is being presented. So it’s just part of the general shift.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by Eightball

Is this for real?
Yes Detroit suburbs are rich but have the city is abandoned and downtown booming but now gentrification and almost all successful African Americans have left because taxes way too high for services and abandoned houses are insane.
Chicago- booming in a lot of areas but only major city to be losing population, horrific crime, city and state budgets are insane and they won't make the hard decisions on pensions etc which hold property prices down crazy. They keep raising property taxes instead of dealing with it. Terrible winters too
Minneapolis - idek may be great isn't that the fake white Paradise with no minorities and still bad weather
St Louis- strengths but most residents I see who comment here wouldn't call it booming. A lot of potential tho but no on ppl radar and very racist too
Indiana- other than Universities who wants to live there. Come on no offense tho parties in the farms where you party in the barns next to corn stocks fire tho. What economic strength tho?
Pittsburgh - booming but still loosing population bc of old people problems and Yinzers. River towns nearby a mess. Will it grow? Definitely getting wealthier tho. Pennslytucky state government doesn't help either and isolated and spending too much on sports teams

This is so damn subjective. You are calling the entire metro of St Louis "very racist too"...lol I mean, who comes up with this stuff. And Minneapolis, "fake white paradise with no minorities"....

Indiana, nothing but farms, eh?

[bnk]

Originally Posted by 10023

The whole “reverse great migration” thing is unconvincing. In order for this to be a story, blacks would have to be moving South in greater proportions than whites, and I don’t think that’s what is being presented. So it’s just part of the general shift.

Jees read the one page back. Chicago is the top 5 largest metros with the largest percentage of college educated.


All you had to do is go one page back.
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Collage age millenniums are not retiring to AZ or FL. The Big Ten schools are moving into Chicago where as others that are not employable are leaving. its not that hard to grasp.


Ill help you out

Originally Posted by skyscraperpage17

The below articles that recently came out go into good detail about the Rust Belt's lack of appeal to young, educated professionals.
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Damn accurate stats must make you mad. These are not hicks or hipsters.
They are college graduates.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mill...-cities-2018-9



Millennials are flocking to America's biggest cities

Gregory Cornfield, The Real Deal Sep. 14, 2018, 10:00 AM




New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are the most popular cities among young adults, according to a study by RENTCafe.com.


A Lower Manhattan ZIP code has the third-highest influx of millennials.
New York has the largest population of millennials residents, followed by Chicago.


While increasing numbers of millennials seem to be pouring into L.A. and New York, the age group's domination is strongest felt in the West Loop in Chicago. The cohort makes up 73 percent of the residents of the 60661 ZIP code, for the largest share of any area in the country. The former manufacturing and warehouse area has only recently been transforming into a more residential district that is booming with new apartment developments.

Lower Manhattan's 10005 — the Financial District — tied for second place with Manayunk, Pa., for the largest shares of Millennials, at 71 percent of the population.

Based solely on numbers of residents, both Chicago and New York are brimming with Millennials. New York has nine of the top 20 ZIP codes for millennials overall — all of them in Brooklyn and Queens — followed by Chicago with seven.

The ZIP code 11211 in Williamsburg is home to almost 44,000 millennials, the largest of any other zip code in the U.S. Chicago's 60657, largely covering Lakeview, ranked second, with 41,500 millennials. Famous for its landmark Wrigley Field, Lakeview's attractiveness comes from the relatively short commute to Chicago's Loop, combined with a lively, young vibe.


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Originally Posted by bnk

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I'm not saying groups of people are not leaving Chicago many are but they are being replaced by the educated. Chicago 2018 is still the most educated city of the top 5 most populous cities.




https://www.studyinternational.com/n...ation-shrinks/

Diversity or degree? Chicago becomes best-educated city.

By Study International Staff | October 5, 2017


Chicago is facing an educated epidemic, with predominantly less-educated African-Americans fleeing the area and a white, college-educated population dominating the city.
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However, the amount of Chicagoans with a bachelor’s degree rose by 9.2 percent in 10 years, the biggest increase across the metro cities, ...

Zotti also found that average household incomes have risen 10 percent in the same period, indicating Chicago is thriving as a city and is sustainably growing alongside US metro destinations.

“This is an aging industrial city. To have it as the most educated city in the top five nationally is a remarkable development,” said Zotti.

So, why, then, is a flourishing Chicago facing a population decrease? Why are people leaving the city en masse? And who are the people that are leaving?

According to the study A Tale of Three Cities: The State of Racial Justice in Chicago, “on virtually every indicator of inequality available, black people in Chicago are doing worse than everyone else, with Latinos not far behind”.


Racial disparity has always prevailed in Chicago, and Zotti’s study reveals the effect of this. A staggering 42,000 African-Americans chose to leave the city in 2016 alone.
Although he found that 18,000 black Americans with bachelor degrees have set up home in the city over the past six years, the city is still facing a rapid loss of its black community in favour of a richer, college educated population.

“The city of Chicago is an absolute magnet if you have resources such as a high level of education and marketable skills,” said Rob Paral, a Chicago-based expert in community development, human services and immigrant integration.

“[But] if you are an African-American resident of the city without a college education, the data shows that you have a good chance of choosing to leave and joining an astounding exodus of blacks.”

Alden Loury, who works for the Metropolitan Planning Council said: “My guess is that higher-income black folks and more-educated black folks have more reasons to stay and the wherewithal to stay,
“Their lives are more stable; they’re more likely to live in middle-class communities with better education and employment options and a stable economic base.
“I think the data also suggests that the city is attracting young tech and other professionals of all races and ethnicities in recent years, including African-Americans.”

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[Obadno]

Originally Posted by bnk

Jees read the one page back. Chicago is the top 5 largest metros with the largest percentage of college educated.


All you had to do is go one page back.
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Who would use this picture, What is their motive

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Who would use this picture, What is their motive

Clickbait.