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A "bar of soap" perhaps?
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A "bar of soap" perhaps?

looks like kapoor is capable to make it a ‘sad gate,’ but … ohhh myyy.

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https://thecitylife.org/2023/08/15/n...jail-facility/

NOTICE OF INTENT ISSUED FOR MANHATTAN BOROUGH-BASED JAIL FACILITY


August 15, 2023


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The NYC Department of Design and Construction (DDC) announced today that in response to construction industry feedback and following the easing of the COVID pandemic, it is releasing a Notice of Intent to re-issue the Request for Qualifications (RFQ) procurement process for the Manhattan jail facility that is part of the City’s Borough-Based Jails Program in order to increase competition for the Manhattan Facility.

“There have been numerous developments in the construction market, in the overall economy and in the Borough-Based Jails Program since we started the process of identifying the design-build team that will design and build the new jail in Manhattan,” said NYC Department of Design and Construction (DDC) Commissioner Thomas Foley. “We’ve heard from new industry partners who would like the opportunity to participate and that’s very helpful to our program; the more firms that compete for the contract, the better we are able to deliver the more humane jail that New Yorkers deserve and create a civic asset fitting into Manhattan’s existing civic center.”

DDC anticipates issuing a new Request for Qualifications (RFQ) in September, followed by a Request for Proposals (RFP) to short-listed vendors in early-2024. DDC continues its collaboration on this procurement with various agencies including the Department of Correction (DOC), Correctional Health Services (CHS) and the Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice (MOCJ).
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The renewal process will also allow the City to re-engage with the community on the Design Guidelines, which are a key part of the RFP process and which have been developed for each of the four Borough-Based Jail facilities. The Design Guidelines for the Manhattan facility will help define physical building attributes, and the community will have input on streetscape and open space, the building’s exterior, community space and public areas, all within the constraints of the ULURP approved building envelope.

Procurement for all Borough-Based Jails Program work takes place through a two-step process: the submittal of a Statement of Qualifications (SOQ) in response to an RFQ, followed by submittal of a Proposal by short-listed vendors in response to an RFP.

SOQs will be evaluated to create short-lists of firms that are deemed qualified to respond to the follow-up RFP. Up to three vendors will be short-listed for the Manhattan Facility project. Responses to the RFP will then be evaluated and will lead to contracting with the design-build team that will design and construct the Manhattan Facility.

DDC will utilize a best-value selection that prioritizes design, quality, past performance and qualifications. In selecting the teams and carrying out a collaborative design-build approach to project delivery, DDC is using best practices as defined by the Design-Build Institute of America. DDC will also make available stipends to short-listed firms that participate in the RFP process but are not selected to be awarded a design-build contract.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-rikers-island

New York is building the world’s tallest jail in Chinatown. Can anyone stop it?
Planners say the facility will help heal the criminal justice system. But local residents see a brutal symbol of incarceration






Wilfred Chan in New York
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For nearly two centuries, New York City’s Chinatown has been home to a quintessentially American story: immigrant workers and their families living shoulder-to-shoulder in low-slung tenements. Workers like Dennis Chung, the owner of Pasteur Grill and Noodles, a Vietnamese pho joint he’s run at the neighborhood’s western edge for 27 years – weathering disasters like 9/11, Hurricane Sandy and Covid.

Now another symbol of the American condition is taking shape, directly across from Chung’s shop: a vast new jail. At about 300ft, the new structure is expected to be the tallest correctional facility in the world. And Chung says it could be the thing that finally sinks his business. “With the jail on top of the pandemic, it might be over,” he tells me in Cantonese.

City officials and justice reform advocates say the new jail is a necessary project if they’re going to close Rikers Island, the notoriously grim jail that New York’s city council voted to shut down in 2019. That vote ordered the facility replaced by 2027 with four smaller jails throughout the city, including the one in Chinatown – which planners say will be a more humane institution conveniently located steps from downtown courthouses.
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The tower will replace a much shorter jail that’s been on the site since the 1980s. But construction is well behind schedule, partially due to years of resistance from a diverse coalition that includes everyone from prison abolitionists to local landlords to, at one point, Eric Adams, who pledged to oppose the new jail when campaigning for mayor. They argue it will be an eyesore that could harm some of New York’s most vulnerable immigrants, and that its multibillion-dollar price could be far better spent elsewhere.

Adams reversed course after taking office, and now the building crews have finally arrived. Today, lunchtime conversations at Pasteur Grill and Noodles are shattered by the crashing of demolition – the overture to a process that might well last a decade. “So I’ll just need to put up with this,” says Chung, “or retire early.”

How did New York City end up moving forward with such a controversial carceral structure in the heart of its downtown? Is it, as opponents say, an ugly symbol of mass incarceration – or, as planners believe, a sign of a city slowly but surely righting its criminal justice ills? And could there still be a better way?
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The saga begins at Rikers Island: 413 acres in the East River, a stone’s throw from the runways at LaGuardia airport, and the site of one of the most hellish penal facilities in the country. Though 85% of Rikers inmates have not been convicted and are simply waiting for a trial, the average detainee is held in the facility for nearly four months – four times the national average – and a disturbing number of people languish there for years, or have ended up dead.

In 2023, seven inmates have died, bringing the total death count since Adams took office to 26 – a toll that federal prosecutors have called “a collective failure with deep roots”. Investigators have found crumbling buildings, unsanitary conditions and Rikers guards systemically abusing inmates, and a federal judge has threatened to place the jail under federal control if the city can’t end the chaos.
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There’s no serious debate, even in Chinatown, about whether Rikers needs to be shut down. The real controversy has always been over what to do afterward.

One of the proponents of “borough-based jails” – the plan for four new structures, in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Manhattan – is Dana Kaplan, a prison reform advocate who in 2018 became deputy director of the then mayor Bill de Blasio’s office of criminal justice, where she helped conceptualize the proposal. Now she’s a senior adviser on the city’s independent commission for criminal justice reform. “This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to try and transform the city’s criminal justice system into something that is more humane,” she says.

….. In Chinatown, the jail tower will replace a brutalist-style, 15-floor, 900-bed detention center called “the Tombs”, also known for its grim conditions. The revamped facility is expected to have roughly the same bed count, but with new quality-of-life features like recreation centers, health clinics and visitation areas with children’s playrooms – all things that residents, family members and staff requested during “hundreds of hours” of focus groups, Kaplan says. “It would be a fundamentally different experience for people who are incarcerated, but also for staff.”
That, Kaplan says, explains why the new jail must be taller. “Just being frank, it was impossible to achieve those elements in the square footage provided by the existing department of corrections facilities,” she says.

….. It’s kind of like building a bridge as you’re crossing over it,” says Jan Lee, a local landlord and founder of Neighbors United Below Canal Street, a group that opposes the new jail.
Based on the new jail’s approved zoning permit, Lee anticipates a “massive building, extending two to three blocks in every direction, that rises as tall as the Statue of Liberty” – which stands at 305ft. “This is going to be the beacon of Chinatown,” he says. “No matter where you look downtown, you will see this jail.” When it’s coupled with the city’s criminal court, and another federal prison a few blocks down, “Chinatown will be known as Jail Town,” he says.
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Christopher Marte, a local progressive city councilman who also joined the protest, says the delays are an opportunity. He thinks there’s a good chance that by the time the city is ready to break ground on Chinatown’s new jail – currently estimated to cost more than $2bn – it won’t have enough money to pull it off. “They’re going to get to a point where they can’t build the tallest jail. And they might have to take what we’ve been pitching, which is adaptive reuse of the space,” he says. “So this is not a done deal.”

….. The residents of Chinatown also appear to have given up. Last week, at a long-awaited town hall in the neighborhood with Adams, Jan Lee was the sole resident who questioned the mayor about the jail. Lee didn’t demand the jail be stopped – but only asked Adams for “a seat at the design table to make sure that this is right size, right scale and right for our community with the least amount of impact”.

Adams agreed. He also reminded the audience that the jail wasn’t his idea: “I would have done it differently. But that’s the reality, that I inherited a broken city that we have to now fix.” Then he issued a dark warning of what could happen if the new jail didn’t get built. “We’re going to have to take [Rikers residents] who may have done violent crimes, and because we don’t have any room, we’re going to put them back on the streets? I have a problem with that.”

Nobody in the room challenged him. The opposition was tired. The world’s tallest jail inched closer to reality.

What else could one do? “We already tried opposing it, protesting it, and it didn’t work,” says Chung, the noodle shop owner. “I just hope they build it faster, so things can hopefully get back to normal.”
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I still have no idea why Rikers needs to be shut down (as opposed to rehabbed) and how locating a jail in Manhattan (or any other boroughs) will aid in criminal justice.
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It won't. It's ridiculous. Systemic problems won't be solved by doing this. If anything, historically the Manhattan jails have been even worse than Rikers.
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^ err, yeah. i take you boys have never been to rikers.
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Rikers defenders are a peculiar bunch. There is fundamentally no advantage to having a singular concentrated corrections complex like Rikers in a city the size of NY. That doesn't even touch the amount of capital improvements that are required there. The new borough jails will work out just fine. They will take less city resources to operate and transportation costs will be enormously reduced. People will ask why the city didn't do this decades ago.

This isn't the nineteenth century. Nobody is busting out of these places and running past you while you're dining. As far as the jail inmate is concerned it's unlikely they would even be aware they were in a multi-story building and the jail still functions essentially the same - one could argue more efficiently in a vertical form.

Classic hysteria.
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Yes, any day. "Prison skyscraper" is much more creepy than a jail on an island.

+1 on this being a terrible idea. WTF.
...but will it have ground-floor retail? What are the parking requirements?
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Historically city/county jails were a usual sight in virtually every American downtown large and small. They were, for obvious reasons, directly adjacent to county courthouses or very nearby. Only in the postwar years did large single level complexes in rural or suburban settings with the razor wire yards become the norm that most people think of.
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People are acting like this idea of a jail high-rise is some new bizarre dystopian concept. I would recommend familiarizing yourselves with the MCC jail tower in Chicago which is going on fifty years old now. It's had a couple attempted jail breaks over those nearly 50 years which statistically speaking hardly anything to be worried about. No doubt the new NYC jail towers will close those weak points.
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Why not just make the entire island of Manhattan a walled maximum security prison. Think 🤔 we heard of that one before



Or send them all to Kali...

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Rikers defenders are a peculiar bunch. There is fundamentally no advantage to having a singular concentrated corrections complex like Rikers in a city the size of NY. That doesn't even touch the amount of capital improvements that are required there. The new borough jails will work out just fine. They will take less city resources to operate and transportation costs will be enormously reduced. People will ask why the city didn't do this decades ago.

This isn't the nineteenth century. Nobody is busting out of these places and running past you while you're dining. As far as the jail inmate is concerned it's unlikely they would even be aware they were in a multi-story building and the jail still functions essentially the same - one could argue more efficiently in a vertical form.

Classic hysteria.
Why do you think the systemic problems facing Rikers will not exist at the city jails? The MCC in Manhattan was infamously mismanaged.


Why would it be easier to tackle these issues in a decentralized system rather than a centralized system? Are they not part of the same penal system already in place? I don't understand how moving people around solves anything here. But I'd love to hear your reasoning.
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I'm mostly referring to the enormous cost of both taking the apprehended to Rikers and then taking them to arrangements and then taking them back to Rikers. New York City is huge. That is an incredibly inefficient way of doing things. i haven't seen the numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if the operating costs including prisoner transportation with the borough jail system is in the billions less after implementation.

Rikers present physical condition and overcrowding AND systemic corrections dep't abuses are completely separate matters.
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I still have no idea why Rikers needs to be shut down (as opposed to rehabbed) and how locating a jail in Manhattan (or any other boroughs) will aid in criminal justice.
They’re enlargening an existing jail basically, same as they’re doing in Brooklyn and Queens. It’s not as if they’re adding some new element. Rikers Island consists of about 11 to 12 different jails. It has proven over and over again to be unmanageable on that scale. It’s difficult to get to from other or any part of the city.

The population of New York City is larger than that of most states. Its like a state unto itself. Do we really expect states to have a single jail in one location? Mind you, it’s not a prison. Now, how jails are run in America is an entirely different topic. But Riker’s, as most people will acknowledge, just doesn’t work.

Ok, so given that, what’s the solution? You can’t dissemble the complex of jails on Rikers without replacing some of it. At the same time, they want to keep people closer to where they come from, making it easier on both sides. But people being what they are, always have a problem with any solution.

We need to house the homeless! But not here. Get the migrants off the streets! But not here. We need to change bail reform, and lock up more criminals! But not here. People are going to complain about anything. If it wasn’t a jail going up, but a new condo tower, they’d be out protesting that. It’ ridiculous.
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this is so overblown.

isnt it to be like 300’?

thats not much larger than it is/was.

also holds 800 or so, same as it was.

its just modernized and more room for other things like meeting rooms and mh services, etc.

its a construction mess yeah, but its not the end of the world.




New York is building the world’s tallest jail in Chinatown. Can anyone stop it?

Planners say the facility will help heal the criminal justice system. But local residents see a brutal symbol of incarceration

Wilfred Chan
Mon 21 Aug 2023


At about 300ft, the new structure is expected to be the tallest correctional facility in the world.



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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/n...manhattan.html

Anger in Chinatown Over a Huge Jail Project: ‘We Are the Dumping Ground’
The demolition of a Manhattan jail complex to make way for a bigger one has damaged a neighboring building and raised concerns about years of dust and disruption.











By Stefanos Chen and Mable Chan
April 1, 2024


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Construction has not yet started on what could become the world’s tallest jail, a 300-foot-tall tower on a site in Manhattan’s Chinatown where the remnants of a former detention center still stand.

But local residents and businesses say they’re suffering through its prelude: a noisy, dusty and earthshaking demolition to lay the groundwork for the jail, in a neighborhood still reeling from the pandemic.

Since demolition began last spring, large cracks have formed along the wall of a neighboring senior center, where residents shut their windows to block out dust. Longtime businesses have warned that they may have to close because of reduced foot traffic or costly renovations. A pediatric health center has already moved, citing constant noise and ceiling leaks.
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“This is a worst-case scenario,” Christopher Marte, the city councilman who represents the neighborhood, said at a community board meeting on March 20. He noted the widening cracks in a wall at the Chung Pak senior housing center next door, a mixed-use building that also includes a day care center, medical facilities and other commercial tenants.

Some cracks were present before the demolition, the city and Chung Pak agreed, but they have grown. The cracks are not a structural threat to the building, according to city officials and the demolition contractor, Gramercy Group Inc., which has said it will repair the damage. But tenants fear that the looming tear-down of a second building on the site could cause more damage.
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The block-wide Chinatown jail, at 124-125 White Street, is expected to have 1,040 beds, underground parking and 20,000 square feet of community and commercial space on the street level.

The demolition is expected to be mostly finished by early 2025
, according to a spokesman for Gramercy Group. The city has not yet chosen a builder for the eventual jail tower, but zoning could allow it to rise above 300 feet.

Proponents say its construction will be vital to the city’s effort to close Rikers Island, which City Hall recently acknowledged is unlikely to happen by the legally mandated 2027 deadline.
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Roughly a third of the people living near the site are 65 or older, in a neighborhood where 60 percent of residents are Asian, according to a census analysis by Social Explorer, a demographics firm.

Chung Pak has 88 apartments for low-income older people who spend a third of their income on rent, an arrangement that allows the complex’s largely immigrant population to stay in the community. Despite concerns about the demolition, there is a waiting list of over 3,000 applicants, said Gary Wat, an operations manager at the complex.
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Liz Garcia, a spokeswoman for City Hall, said the city was finalizing a contract to hire an independent air quality monitor for the rest of the demolition. She said the completion of the demolition project was essential “to protect public safety, provide humane conditions for those in custody and close the jails on Rikers Island.”
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