BEA 2009-2018 Total Employment Growth & Compensation

dimondpark · #1 Posted **Nov 29, 2019, 7:39 PM**

The US Commerce Dept puts out it's own jobs figures and here is the annual count for the period between 2009 through 2018.

Data by Combined Statistical Area(CSA), except San Diego, Tampa and Austin which are by Metropolitan Statistical Area(MSA).

2018 Total Employment & Average Annual Compensation:
1----15,010,859 New York $92,720
2----11,493,329 Los Angeles $76,178
3------6,713,015 Washington $88,836
4------6,392,984 San Francisco $112,172
5------6,371,136 Chicago $78,733
6------5,751,417 Boston $84,156
7------5,320,518 Dallas $73,777
8------4,487,818 Philadelphia $74,691
9------4,440,011 Miami $66,320
10----4,385,332 Houston $78,913
11----4,336,902 Atlanta $72,230
12----3,187,994 Detroit $71,885
13----3,138,782 Seattle $89,181
14----2,812,864 Phoenix $67,223
15----2,799,352 Minneapolis $74,140
16----2,531,206 Denver $77,682
17----2,373,091 Orlando $58,742
18----2,248,946 Cleveland $64,203
19----2,176,967 San Diego $79,319
20----2,007,586 Portland $71,431
21----1,847,724 St Louis $67,720
22----1,827,943 Tampa $64,851
23----1,742,043 Salt Lake City $63,362
24----1,713,035 Charlotte $70,183
25----1,638,237 Pittsburgh $68,810
26----1,611,265 Columbus $66,598
27----1,605,016 Kansas City $66,610
28----1,571,170 Indianapolis $64,243
29----1,514,276 Sacramento $76,028
30----1,506,528 Austin $74,896
31----1,499,480 San Antonio $62,426
32----1,434,035 Cincinnati $68,033
33----1,423,036 Nashville $66,235
34----1,367,155 Las Vegas $62,251
35----1,339,430 Raleigh $72,738
36----1,317,409 Milwaukee $66,599
37----1,149,281 Virginia Beach $64,333

2009-2018 Employment Growth:
+2,180,992 New York +16.99%
+2,096,384 Los Angeles +22.30%
+1,332,563 San Francisco +26.32%
+1,195,034 Dallas +28.96%
+1,030,045 Miami +30.20%
+866,115 Atlanta +24.95%
+861,410 Houston +24.37%
+846,791 Washington +14.43%
+828,368 Boston +16.82%
+672,812 Chicago +11.79%
+576,498 Orlando +32.08%
+551,835 Seattle +21.33%
+545,382 Phoenix +24.05%
+536,671 Denver +26.90%
+474,240 Philadelphia +11.81%
+438,081 Austin +41.00%
+419,470 Detroit +15.15%
+374,370 Charlotte +27.96%
+373,375 Salt Lake City +27.27%
+355,041 San Diego +19.48%
+349,134 Portland +21.05%
+343,461 Tampa +23.13%
+342,253 Nashville +31.66%
+340,672 Minneapolis +13.85%
+321,085 San Antonio +27.24%
+281,727 Raleigh +26.63%
+269,778 Las Vegas +24.58%
+239,861 Columbus +17.49%
+238,330 Sacramento +18.67%
+234,176 Indianapolis +17.51%
+165,432 Cleveland +7.94%
+161,364 Kansas City +11.72%
+150,737 Cincinnati +11.74%
+136,944 St Louis +8.00%
+110,645 Pittsburgh +7.24%
+93,459 Milwaukee +7.63%
+73,010 Virginia Beach +6.83%

source: bea.gov

SD_Phil · #2 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 8:13 AM**

Any way to get Median salary data instead of average?

Yuri · #3 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 11:51 AM**

Sorting by the total income (in billions US$):

Code:

New York ---------------- US$ 1,392
Los Angeles --------------- US$ 876
San Francisco ------------- US$ 717
Washington-Baltimore ------ US$ 596
Chicago ------------------- US$ 502
Boston -------------------- US$ 484
Dallas -------------------- US$ 393
Houston ------------------- US$ 346
Philadelphia -------------- US$ 335
Atlanta ------------------- US$ 313
Miami --------------------- US$ 294
Seattle ------------------- US$ 280
Detroit ------------------- US$ 229
Minneapolis --------------- US$ 208
Denver -------------------- US$ 197
Phoenix ------------------- US$ 189
San Diego ----------------- US$ 173
Cleveland ----------------- US$ 144
Portland ------------------ US$ 143
Orlando ------------------- US$ 139
St. Louis ----------------- US$ 125
Charlotte ----------------- US$ 120
Tampa --------------------- US$ 119
Sacramento ---------------- US$ 115
Austin -------------------- US$ 113
Pittsburgh ---------------- US$ 113
Salt Lake City ------------ US$ 110
Columbus ------------------ US$ 107
Kansas City --------------- US$ 107
Indianapolis -------------- US$ 101
Cincinnati ----------------- US$ 98
Raleigh -------------------- US$ 97
Nashville ------------------ US$ 94
San Antonio ---------------- US$ 94
Milwaukee ------------------ US$ 88
Las Vegas ------------------ US$ 85
Norfolk -------------------- US$ 74

The usual suspects, San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Washington (specially minus Baltimore) with the highest averages. San Francisco more and more seems to emerge as the US new 2nd city.

park123 · #4 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 3:09 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Sorting by the total income (in billions US$):

Code:

New York ---------------- US$ 1,392
Los Angeles --------------- US$ 876
San Francisco ------------- US$ 717
Washington-Baltimore ------ US$ 596
Chicago ------------------- US$ 502
Boston -------------------- US$ 484
Dallas -------------------- US$ 393
Houston ------------------- US$ 346
Philadelphia -------------- US$ 335
Atlanta ------------------- US$ 313
Miami --------------------- US$ 294
Seattle ------------------- US$ 280
Detroit ------------------- US$ 229
Minneapolis --------------- US$ 208
Denver -------------------- US$ 197
Phoenix ------------------- US$ 189
San Diego ----------------- US$ 173
Cleveland ----------------- US$ 144
Portland ------------------ US$ 143
Orlando ------------------- US$ 139
St. Louis ----------------- US$ 125
Charlotte ----------------- US$ 120
Tampa --------------------- US$ 119
Sacramento ---------------- US$ 115
Austin -------------------- US$ 113
Pittsburgh ---------------- US$ 113
Salt Lake City ------------ US$ 110
Columbus ------------------ US$ 107
Kansas City --------------- US$ 107
Indianapolis -------------- US$ 101
Cincinnati ----------------- US$ 98
Raleigh -------------------- US$ 97
Nashville ------------------ US$ 94
San Antonio ---------------- US$ 94
Milwaukee ------------------ US$ 88
Las Vegas ------------------ US$ 85
Norfolk -------------------- US$ 74

The usual suspects, San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Washington (specially minus Baltimore) with the highest averages. San Francisco more and more seems to emerge as the US new 2nd city.

Yes it's amazing how San Francisco is turning into America's 2nd city, at least economically. Amazing because it's physically built as a medium-size provincial city with a pleasant suburban periphery. Not as the 2nd megacity of the world's largest economic zone. You would think physical limits would have choked off it's growth by now.

Crawford · #5 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by park123

Yes it's amazing how San Francisco is turning into America's 2nd city, at least economically. Amazing because it's physically built as a medium-size provincial city with a pleasant suburban periphery. Not as the 2nd megacity of the world's largest economic zone. You would think physical limits would have choked off it's growth by now.

It isn't, though. SF isn't even in the Top 5 U.S. economies. Downtown SF probably has half the jobs of downtown DC or Chicago. And it's the San Jose MSA, not the SF MSA, driving the growth.

The Bay Area has a huge, wealthy economy, but SF isn't the primary source of said wealth, so it's inaccurate to link the wealth to SF (city's) characteristics. It would be like saying "Geez, the NY metro economy is so huge, but why is that so when Long Island is mostly just bedroom communities with few job hubs". LI isn't driving the wealth.

dimondpark · #6 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

It isn't, though. SF isn't even in the Top 5 U.S. economies. Downtown SF probably has half the jobs of downtown DC or Chicago. And it's the San Jose MSA, not the SF MSA, driving the growth.

The Bay Area has a huge, wealthy economy, but SF isn't the primary source of said wealth, so it's inaccurate to link the wealth to SF (city's) characteristics. It would be like saying "Geez, the NY metro economy is so huge, but why is that so when Long Island is mostly just bedroom communities with few job hubs". LI isn't driving the wealth.

I get what youre saying, but as far as wealth emanating from a job center to it's surroundings, SF is #1 on the West Coast at this time, that stat caught me off guard btw.

Counties by Outflow of Earnings, 2018, $25B+
$215.313 Billion New York, NY
$67.157 Billion Dallas, TX
$62.867 Billion Washington, DC
$59.232 Billion San Francisco, CA
$58.592 Billion Cook, IL
$55.867 Billion Harris, TX
$54.670 Billion Suffolk, MA
$49.734 Billion Los Angeles, CA
$48.881 Billion Santa Clara, CA
$46.270 Billion Fulton, GA
$39.481 Billion Middlesex, MA
$35.327 Billion Fairfax, VA
$32.235 Billion Hennepin, MN
$32.214 Billion Queens, NY
$30.816 Billion Alameda, CA
$30.617 Billion San Mateo, CA
$27.724 Billion Philadelphia, PA
$27.115 Billion Orange, CA
$26.326 Billion King, WA
$25.037 Billion Denver, CO

4 Bay Area counties are considered major job centers for all of NorCal and SF, at 46 sq miles, still has the biggest outflow of earnings, even topping Santa Clara. Whodathunkit?

park123 · #7 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 4:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford

It isn't, though. SF isn't even in the Top 5 U.S. economies. Downtown SF probably has half the jobs of downtown DC or Chicago. And it's the San Jose MSA, not the SF MSA, driving the growth.

The Bay Area has a huge, wealthy economy, but SF isn't the primary source of said wealth, so it's inaccurate to link the wealth to SF (city's) characteristics. It would be like saying "Geez, the NY metro economy is so huge, but why is that so when Long Island is mostly just bedroom communities with few job hubs". LI isn't driving the wealth.

15 or 20 years ago, SF was a bedroom community for Silicon Valley. But now the action has moved back to the city itself. Most of the new interesting startups are there. Silicon Valley is considered a pretty lame place to start something these days.

I understand your point that SF is just a small part of the Bay Area in terms of economic output or population. Nevertheless, if you're flying in from Paris or Shanghai, into the Bay Area, it might feel weird that such a small looking and quiet place is as globally important as it is.

Crawford · #8 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 5:30 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimondpark

I get what youre saying, but as far as wealth emanating from a job center to it's surroundings, SF is #1 on the West Coast at this time, that stat caught me off guard btw.

Right, the Bay Area economy is amazingly prosperous and fast-growing, but it's inaccurate to then ascribe all that wealth to SF itself.

The Bay Area might have the economy of Paris at this point, but that doesn't mean that SF = Paris; it's more like the Ruhr or Randstad regions. No one says Amsterdam is a Paris equivalent because the Randstad might have a comparable economy, even though Amsterdam is clearly the most important city in the Randstad, as with SF in the Bay Area.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimondpark

4 Bay Area counties are considered major job centers for all of NorCal and SF, at 46 sq miles, still has the biggest outflow of earnings, even topping Santa Clara. Whodathunkit?

It's impressive, but I don't think this is particularly shocking. Santa Clara has huge bedroom communities, like pretty much the entire city of SJ. Only a small part of Santa Clara is the traditional Silicon Valley. And the "core' SV straddles San Mateo County.

Only Washington DC is similar to SF in that you have a geographically small, healthy city-county proper, and DC doesn't appear much different (though that is impressive for SF, because I believe downtown DC has much higher job counts).

twinpeaks · #9 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 7:12 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by park123

15 or 20 years ago, SF was a bedroom community for Silicon Valley. But now the action has moved back to the city itself. Most of the new interesting startups are there. Silicon Valley is considered a pretty lame place to start something these days.

I understand your point that SF is just a small part of the Bay Area in terms of economic output or population. Nevertheless, if you're flying in from Paris or Shanghai, into the Bay Area, it might feel weird that such a small looking and quiet place is as globally important as it is.

SF was never a bedroom community. I grew up in the Bay Area, and San Francisco is and has always been the economic and cultural center of Northern CA since the beginning with its diverse ever changing economy.

craigs · #10 Posted **Nov 30, 2019, 8:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by park123

15 or 20 years ago, SF was a bedroom community for Silicon Valley.

The data support a claim like "Tech was a much smaller presence in San Francisco's economy 20 years ago than it is today." That's true. There is zero support, however, for the claim San Francisco is or ever has been a "bedroom community" given the city sees a very large net inflow each workday--and always has.

Crawford · #11 Posted **Dec 1, 2019, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

The data support a claim like "Tech was a much smaller presence in San Francisco's economy 20 years ago than it is today." That's true. There is zero support, however, for the claim San Francisco is or ever has been a "bedroom community" given the city sees a very large net inflow each workday--and always has.

SF was (and perhaps is) a bedroom community for Silicon Valley (ie specifically tech). But obviously SF is, in no way, a bedroom community, overall.

pdxtex · #12 Posted **Dec 1, 2019, 11:35 PM**

I assume these are for a household?

dimondpark · #13 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 2:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by pdxtex

I assume these are for a household?

No, it's "Average Compensation Per Job"

Here is the MSA chart:

pdxtex · #14 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 6:08 AM**

Wow these numbers sound pretty lofty. I'll have to read their methodology. Is it just GDP divided by total employment?

mhays · #15 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 7:05 AM**

Averages tend to be higher than medians.

It's also "compensation," not wages. I'd assume that at least includes bonuses, and it might include other benefits?

Will O' Wisp · #16 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 10:00 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Sorting by the total income (in billions US$):

Code:

New York ---------------- US$ 1,392
Los Angeles --------------- US$ 876
San Francisco ------------- US$ 717
Washington-Baltimore ------ US$ 596
Chicago ------------------- US$ 502
Boston -------------------- US$ 484
Dallas -------------------- US$ 393
Houston ------------------- US$ 346
Philadelphia -------------- US$ 335
Atlanta ------------------- US$ 313
Miami --------------------- US$ 294
Seattle ------------------- US$ 280
Detroit ------------------- US$ 229
Minneapolis --------------- US$ 208
Denver -------------------- US$ 197
Phoenix ------------------- US$ 189
San Diego ----------------- US$ 173
Cleveland ----------------- US$ 144
Portland ------------------ US$ 143
Orlando ------------------- US$ 139
St. Louis ----------------- US$ 125
Charlotte ----------------- US$ 120
Tampa --------------------- US$ 119
Sacramento ---------------- US$ 115
Austin -------------------- US$ 113
Pittsburgh ---------------- US$ 113
Salt Lake City ------------ US$ 110
Columbus ------------------ US$ 107
Kansas City --------------- US$ 107
Indianapolis -------------- US$ 101
Cincinnati ----------------- US$ 98
Raleigh -------------------- US$ 97
Nashville ------------------ US$ 94
San Antonio ---------------- US$ 94
Milwaukee ------------------ US$ 88
Las Vegas ------------------ US$ 85
Norfolk -------------------- US$ 74

The usual suspects, San Francisco, New York, Seattle, Washington (specially minus Baltimore) with the highest averages. San Francisco more and more seems to emerge as the US new 2nd city.

Not sure where you got these numbers, here's the ones I found from the BEA:

New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA (Combined Statistical Area)             1,732,690.2

Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA (Combined Statistical Area)               1,089,150.1

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA (Combined Statistical Area)         836,057.3

Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA (Combined Statistical A 664,455.3

Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI (Combined Statistical Area)               596,162.8

Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT (Combined Statistical Area)   578,884.3

Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD (Combined Statistical Area)   445,970.4

Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK (Combined Statistical Area)                   437,633.2

Miami-Port St. Lucie-Fort Lauderdale, FL (Combined Statistical Area)   399,770.3

Houston-The Woodlands, TX (Combined Statistical Area)                  399,469.7

Atlanta--Athens-Clarke County--Sandy Springs, GA-AL (Combined Statisti 344,932.1

Seattle-Tacoma, WA (Combined Statistical Area)                         341,702.1

Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI (Combined Statistical Area)               279,442.3

Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI (Combined Statistical Area)                245,518.5

Denver-Aurora, CO (Combined Statistical Area)*                         226,959.5

Phoenix-Mesa, AZ (Combined Statistical Area)                           226,242.0

Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH (Combined Statistical Area)                 183,103.0

(In millions of USD)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimondpark

I get what youre saying, but as far as wealth emanating from a job center to it's surroundings, SF is #1 on the West Coast at this time, that stat caught me off guard btw.

Counties by Outflow of Earnings, 2018, $25B+
$215.313 Billion New York, NY
$67.157 Billion Dallas, TX
$62.867 Billion Washington, DC
$59.232 Billion San Francisco, CA
$58.592 Billion Cook, IL
$55.867 Billion Harris, TX
$54.670 Billion Suffolk, MA
$49.734 Billion Los Angeles, CA
$48.881 Billion Santa Clara, CA
$46.270 Billion Fulton, GA
$39.481 Billion Middlesex, MA
$35.327 Billion Fairfax, VA
$32.235 Billion Hennepin, MN
$32.214 Billion Queens, NY
$30.816 Billion Alameda, CA
$30.617 Billion San Mateo, CA
$27.724 Billion Philadelphia, PA
$27.115 Billion Orange, CA
$26.326 Billion King, WA
$25.037 Billion Denver, CO

4 Bay Area counties are considered major job centers for all of NorCal and SF, at 46 sq miles, still has the biggest outflow of earnings, even topping Santa Clara. Whodathunkit?

Keep in mind how those numbers are calculated. Someone who commutes 6 miles across the Bay Bridge from Oakland to SF get their salary counted as an outflow, while someone else who commutes 30 miles from Pomona to DTLA doesn't because that didn't cross a county line. If someone commutes from Brooklyn to Manhattan that's an outflow, since each of the five boroughs are considered their own county equivalents (NY County is Manhattan btw). It arbitrary prioritizes metros that happen to be more cleanly split across multiple counties.

Yuri · #17 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 10:20 AM**

Very simple: I multiplied the numbers of jobs and the average compensation provided by diamond in the first post. New York: 15 million jobs and a US$ 92k compensation... voilà!

Will O' Wisp · #18 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 10:24 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

Very simple: I multiplied the numbers of jobs and the average compensation provided by diamond in the first post. New York: 15 million jobs and a US$ 92k compensation... voilà!

Well then the better question is, why don't BEA's figures for total income equal the average income times population

craigs · #19 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 10:27 AM**

Any definition of the term "bedroom community" which includes the city of San Francisco falls far outside the phrase as commonly used among English speakers.

dimondpark · #20 Posted **Dec 2, 2019, 11:37 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdxtex

Wow these numbers sound pretty lofty. I'll have to read their methodology. Is it just GDP divided by total employment?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp

Well then the better question is, why don't BEA's figures for total income equal the average income times population

"Compensation Per Job" is wages and salary+employer contribution to 401K+insurance+social security.

That's different from Per Capita Personal Income.