Next southern city to build a tower in the 85-100 story range - Page 2

chris08876 · #21 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 6:40 PM**

My vote is for Dallas.

Wasn't there that Ross Perot tower at one point. Hopefully something rises on that parcel. I recall it being a promising site.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...=213541&page=4

1.5+ mil sq ft might do it.

memph · #22 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCReid

The few US cities building towers 85-100 stories these days have been building all residential. That counts even the NYC and Chicago, where offices seems to top out at 60-65 floors even if they are over 1000 ft. Therefore, I would guess that Austin has the best chance since it is building many tall residential towers downtown. I don't currently see a market for a 85 story residential tower in the other southern cities besides Miami.

I voted Atlanta but I think I would change my vote to Austin.

I don't see it happening any time soon in any of these cities really. San Francisco, Chicago, New York... those are the markets that could support a tower this height. Maybe Seattle, Miami and Philadelphia a little later into the future.

Atlanta is a bit more hemmed in by neighbourhoods with development restrictions than Houston and Dallas, and has a pretty fast growing core, and a rapid transit system that could eventually become a factor (although it's not that much of a factor for now). But tbh it's not building that many tall high rise condos and an 85 storey office is pretty out of the question, that would be like 375m.

I think Austin still has a ways to go before getting a 85 storey residential building, but maybe in a decade or two. I guess that would be like 275-300m, so not completely out of the question in the longer term future.

Top 5 buildings built between 2010 and 2020 in each metro area by floor count

Dallas: 42, 34, 33, 25, 20

Austin: 58, 56, 39, 38, 37

Houston: 49, 46, 40, 39, 35

Atlanta: 39, 35, 32, 30, 29

Nashville: 45, 41, 33, 32, 31

Miami: 81, 64, 62, 57, 56

Miami will of course get there first, almost certainly.

Austin has a fairly strong and hemmed in downtown. Historically a smaller city, its CBD isn't as expansive as Houston or Dallas' which have a lot more space to fill in imo. And it has a healthy downtown residential market, so it would make sense for it to be next after Miami.

DanielG425 · #23 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 10:12 PM**

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With as flashy as Dallas is I am surprised their skyline is still pretty much the same as it was in the 90’s. I know uptown has seen a ton of growth but it has mostly been midrise. Dallas needs a new super tall, and will probably get one before these other Southern cities

Dallas needs its first super tall

Dariusb · #24 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 10:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

It will have to be a tier 2 metro: Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami. Very hard to see it happening in Austin or Nashville. Also, Charlotte should be an option, since it s probably far more likely to build a super-tall than Nashville. I chose Dallas, but I think that Houston is just as likely.

I don't know how I missed Charlotte. I want to add it but don't know how.

Steely Dan · #25 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 10:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dariusb

I don't know how I missed Charlotte. I want to add it but don't know how.

Done.

jd3189 · #26 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 11:31 PM**

Maybe one of the Texas cities. Atlanta has a chance as it continues to increase the density of its core, but that is going to require continued growth which I hope to see happen within the next few decades. Long term, I see Atlanta and Charlotte in good places as well as Orlando in Florida as the sea levels continue to rise.

In addition, I have high hopes for the growth of the Piedmont/Southern Appalachia/Upper South area. Great natural beauty, higher elevation, has a good amount of small sizable cities, good connection to the NE and Midwest as well as the rest of the South (Florida, Texas, Louisiana, etc). If that are becomes more progressive in politics and growth, it will the next place to go.

jayden · #27 Posted **Jul 19, 2020, 11:58 PM**

I'd say Miami but that's not on the list.

I don't see any of these cities doing it anytime soon.

Steely Dan · #28 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 2:41 AM**

Looking into this issue further, according to the CTBUH, there are only 9 towers in all of North America with 85+ floors (including U/C). 5 in Chicago, and 4 in NYC.

1. Chicago - Sears Tower - 108 floors
2. New York - ESB - 102 floors
3. Chicago - Vista - 101 floors
4. Chicago - JHC - 100 floors
5. New York - CPT - 98 floors
6. Chicago - Trump Tower - 98 floors
7. New York - 1 WTC - 94 floors
8. Chicago - Aqua - 86 floors
9. New York - 432 Park - 85 floors

Only 3 of those are straight-up office towers. the very high floor count game is usually residential (or sometimes mixed-use), which is why I think Miami will be the first US city outside of NYC and Chicago to go 85+ floors

If we open it up to all of North America, then I'm ALL IN on Toronto. That town is on an unbelievable tear these days. They currently have an 83 floor supertall that's U/C, so it's likely coming soon.

Dariusb · #29 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 2:48 AM**

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Done.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

TexasPlaya · #30 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 2:50 AM**

My vote is for Austin, lots of tailwinds.

chris08876 · #31 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 2:52 AM**

Miami has a few projects exceeding that floor count in the pipeline.

300 Biscayne – 1,049-feet

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PMG, along with Greybrook Realty Partners, S2 Development and Hilton, are planning the 98-story luxury hotel and condo tower at 300 Biscayne Boulevard

PMG announced the Waldorf Astoria brand for the 1,049-foot tower in September. The skyscraper, designed by Sieger Suarez Architects as a stack of glass cubes, will include a 140-key hotel and about 400 condo units.

One Bayfront Plaza – 1,049 feet

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Tibor Hollo recently built the tallest residential building in Florida with Panorama Tower at 85 stories and 868 feet tall.

Now the longtime Miami developer wants to go even higher. Hollo’s Florida East Coast Realty has plans to build One Bayfront Plaza at 100 South Biscayne Boulevard in downtown Miami. The 92-story, 1,049-foot tall building will also include over 1.4 million square feet of Class A office and hotel space.

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TRD

Steely Dan · #32 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 3:16 AM**

^ yep, Miami is clearly the frontrunner in this race in my mind.

That said, Miami is also the freaking capital city of stalled supertall proposals.

That's why it's gotta be Toronto if we include all of NA. They just keep on throwing up tower after tower up there.

MonkeyRonin · #33 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 1:15 PM**

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That's why it's gotta be Toronto if we include all of NA. They just keep on throwing up tower after tower up there.

There's an 85-storey and a 95-storey tower under construction already, so that much is probably a given!

Steely Dan · #34 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 1:26 PM**

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There's an 85-storey and a 95-storey tower under construction already, so that much is probably a given!

Cool!

Which ones?

Neither are listed in the CTBUH database yet.

Did they start construction recently?

The highest floor count listed for Toronto in the CTBUH database is the U/C The One, which they list at 83 floors.

mrnyc · #35 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 1:55 PM**

miami for condo, but texas for office or mixed use.

iheartthed · #36 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 2:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Looking into this issue further, according to the CTBUH, there are only 9 towers in all of North America with 85+ floors (including U/C). 5 in Chicago, and 4 in NYC.

1. Chicago - Sears Tower - 108 floors
2. New York - ESB - 102 floors
3. Chicago - Vista - 101 floors
4. Chicago - JHC - 100 floors
5. New York - CPT - 98 floors
6. Chicago - Trump Tower - 98 floors
7. New York - 1 WTC - 94 floors
8. Chicago - Aqua - 86 floors
9. New York - 432 Park - 85 floors

Only 3 of those are straight-up office towers. the very high floor count game is usually residential (or sometimes mixed-use), which is why I think Miami will be the first US city outside of NYC and Chicago to go 85+ floors

If we open it up to all of North America, then I'm ALL IN on Toronto. That town is on an unbelievable tear these days. They currently have an 83 floor supertall that's U/C, so it's likely coming soon.

What do you think the odds are for Philly?

JManc · #37 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 5:17 PM**

Thank you Steely for calling it the Sears Tower.

chris08876 · #38 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 5:20 PM**

I believe for Toronto the reference was to:

1) The One ; 1,013 FT / 309 M | 85 FLOORS

Looks like its on hold.

2) One Younge ; One Yonge | 307 M | 95 FL | 263 M | 80 FL | 216 M | 65 FL

For One Younge (lol) ... I'd image its in phases. Is the 95 floor component rising 1st?

Although CTBUH does like one at 83 floors, maybe someone can reference the permits?

bobdreamz · #39 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 5:35 PM**

Out of the cities listed in the poll do any of them have proposals in the 85-100 story range?

Steely Dan · #40 Posted **Jul 20, 2020, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

What do you think the odds are for Philly?

better than most probably, but i do believe that the 85+ story game in the US is most likely to be residential, which IMO puts miami in the best position over some other possible candidates such as philly, LA, SF, houston, etc.

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Thank you Steely for calling it the Sears Tower.

always and forever.