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Old Posted Oct 8, 2019, 10:00 PM
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So, kid, you've heard about the Winter Garden, and want to know something, eh?


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In 1921-1922, the owners evidently had offices at 111 W. 3rd; but the venue itself was at 518- (in due course) 522 S. Spring (including an associated cigar store and barber's). Here's that stretch of Spring:


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A beginning (1920):


This, and the following, all from LA Times, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library, date as indicated; this one, 12/3/1920



11/16/1921



7/25/1922



8/12/1922


Thanking e_r for his assistance!

To be continued . . .
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2019, 10:06 PM
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Continuing with the Winter Garden . . .



7/19/1923



8/21/1923



9/18/1923



9/19/1923


To be continued . . .
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2019, 10:12 PM
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And to end . . .



11/21/1923



5/29/1924



5/29/1924


An end . . .


6/1/1924



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Fantastic research odinthor!




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The venue itself was at 518- (in due course) 522 S. Spring (including an associated cigar store and barber's).


odinthor, here is a photograph of the Winter Garden location when it was still McKee's Cafe. [c.1915]


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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY ODINTHOR



Besides the cigar store and barber (as mentioned by odinthor)
it looks like McKee also had a taxicab service!



See the complete photograph HERE

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I used to sneak behind a couch and watch her as I was supposed to be in bed. I wish there were videos saved but none were, if there are any they are in private collections.
I don't remember watching her TV show. My father strongly resisted buying a TV until about 1957 or so. He thought that TV was a bad influence and he only bought one so he could watch the Ed Sullivan show on Sunday.

Yes, there's about 19 links to Vampira on You Tube. There were also several other local LA spook TV shows that always featured old movies of the Frankenstein, Dracula genre.

https://the-vampira-show.tumblr.com/

My favorite old TV show was an afternoon one that played British films from the 1930s & 1940s. These films were very sophisticated and were loaded with atmosphere. Its no wonder that Hollywood studios of the Golden Age were filled with British technicians. My neighbor's father was an actor from England. He thought of himself as a new Cary Grant. He didn't even come close.


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Old Posted Oct 10, 2019, 4:59 AM
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Once more...

RARE POSTCARD / Nottingham 'Castle' Robin Hood [1922] ... The Thief of Baghdad [1924]


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The whole 1922 version of 'Robin Hood' is on YouTube:


Scanning through, I think this scene of Nottingham Town is a match for e_r's postcard (ignoring the obvious changes for 'The Thief of Baghdad').


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The Thief of Bagdad (1924)


Douglas Fairbanks Pictures, United Artists

Put a gold star on your chart E.R. You nailed this one.
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Thanks for your help, HossC and FredH!...I really appreciate it.

I've gone back and looked at numerous aerials that were taken above the Pickford-Fairbanks Studios around the time of Robin Hood [1922].
So far I haven't been about to pick out the Nottingham Town set.



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The castle is easy to find. ...Nottingham Town, not so much.



Here's another.


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"ROBIN HOOD was one of the most expensive films of the silent era, apparently costing something in the area of $930,000 dollars. In 1922! That’s almost $14 million in today’s dollars.
Nevertheless, the movie made around $2.5 million in North America, solidifying the Fairbanks swashbuckling success."



Update:

I just found this view at an auction house.


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I wonder if the Nottingham Town set was built off site (for lack of room.

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We have visited Rodger Young Village on NLA..

But I'm drawing a blank on this Rodger Young Auditorium.


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Have we seen, or discussed, this auditorium?

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mystery DTLA building

This Huntington Library photograph is mislabeled as "Baltimore Hotel" on E. 5th Street. Anyone recognize this?


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I've gone back and looked at numerous aerials that were taken above the Pickford-Fairbanks Studios around the time of Robin Hood [1922]. So far I haven't been about to pick out the Nottingham Town set.
Wulp... I think I see the Nottingham set in the upper third of this aerial view. Anyone else want to weigh in? I could be wrong.

(Here's a slightly sneaky link to the same photo, sans watermark.)

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It's difficult to be sure due to the low resolution and different angle, but the building I've linked to the inset view appears to be a match.


Douglas Fairbanks Pictures/United Artists/Hollywood Photographs
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2019, 12:33 PM
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We have visited Rodger Young Village on NLA..

But I'm drawing a blank on this Rodger Young Auditorium.


eBay (no longer listed)

Have we seen, or discussed, this auditorium?
A quick Google shows various match books and posters giving an address of 936 W Washington Boulevard.

A 1978 demo permit lists Mr Rosenbloom of Rodger Young Inc as the building's owner. The work is for "Demolition handwreck 2 story brick apt".

Schilling's Flowers, on the corner at 942 W Washington, appears in the CDs of 1956 and 1960 (and possibly others). In the 1930s, the flowers shop was just down the street at 701 W Washington.
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This Huntington Library photograph is mislabeled as "Baltimore Hotel" on E. 5th Street. Anyone recognize this?


hdl.huntington.org
I . . . I think we're looking at the corner of S. Spring and 5th from a little west down 5th St., with the Alexandria Hotel dominating at right, and the Security Trust and Savings Bank across the street. The interesting "sign" at mid-upper left, is that for The Chocolate Shop at 207 W. Fifth (though it looks a bit pharmaceutical)? Or is it just a light standard?
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Once more...

RARE POSTCARD / Nottingham 'Castle' Robin Hood [1922] ... The Thief of Baghdad [1924]








I wonder if the Nottingham Town set was built off site (for lack of room.

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https://silentlocations.files.wordpr...8/castle-l.jpg


https://rmyauctions.com/images_items/item_31969_1.jpg

https://t1.thpservices.com/previewim...v-10642778.jpghttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/7f...fdb068e5a1.jpg




https://silentlocations.files.wordpr....jpg?w=1200&h=
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The character looks like Speedee from McDonalds

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Excellent research on S.C. Dodge odinthor.



There wasn't a location included on this negative of a Union Oil gas station.




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If I'm not mistaken, the street lights are 'Wilshire Specials'.




Does anyone know where on Wilshire this particular gas station was located? It's quite dark on the other side of the station. Could that be MacArthur Park?

(my apologies if we've seen this image on NLA. I don't remember seeing it)

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This Huntington Library photograph is mislabeled as "Baltimore Hotel" on E. 5th Street. Anyone recognize this?


hdl.huntington.org
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I . . . I think we're looking at the corner of S. Spring and 5th from a little west down 5th St., with the Alexandria Hotel dominating at right, and the Security Trust and Savings Bank across the street. The interesting "sign" at mid-upper left, is that for The Chocolate Shop at 207 W. Fifth (though it looks a bit pharmaceutical)? Or is it just a light standard?
I think you're correct, odinthor. Here's a similar view I found in the USCDL.

View of Fifth Street looking east from Spring Street in Los Angeles, ca.1918


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And today.


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We have visited Rodger Young Village on NLA..

But I'm drawing a blank on this Rodger Young Auditorium.


eBay (no longer listed)

Have we seen, or discussed, this auditorium?

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Holy cr*p that's incredible. That's the old Turn Verein Halle by Krempel & Erkes. I've never seen such a good photo of it—boy I wish I owned that photo; just glad it's here though. I wrote a whole thing about it, once, I was sure it was on this site, guess it was somewhere else.

In any event it looks like the work I did, or someone having dug up the same information, made it onto the PCAD site

The Turnverein Germania Club on Washington Boulevard was set amidst many mortuaries by the 1930s; the club lost the property in 1940; the building was renamed the "Los Angeles Turners Club" during the height of anti-German feeling in 1943; in 1945, Kalman Loeb, Sr., purchased the building and renamed it after Rodger Young, a 25 year-old Los Angeles resident and World War II hero, who died in the Solomon Islands in 1943; Loeb bought the Krempel building and a miniature golf course that existed next door for $150,000; the golf course was later removed for a parking lot; the Loeb family sold the building for $700,000 in 1978, and its contents were auctioned off; the interior of the auditorium accommodated a bar 60 feet long with 50 stools, making it one of the longest in the city;

Storefronts facing Washington Boulevard were eliminated after WW II to create more room for Loeb's auditorium business;

It was demolished after 1978; a warehouse was erected on the property thereafter;
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SHERIFFPAUL, I also thought the Union Station neon mascot looked a lot like Speedee from McDonald's!



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Does anyone know where on Wilshire this particular gas station was located? It's quite dark on the other side of the station. Could that be MacArthur Park?


According to the 1941 Los Angeles Directory there were five Union Oil stations on Wilshire. 2607 is close to MacArthur Park but not directly across the street from it.



I've been thinking about the topography since there are no other clues in the photo. Those street lights on the opposite side of Wilshire suggest there's a small hill ahead, as the lights vanish behind the crest of the hill. But after investigating those addresses, I'm stumped as to which one might be the correct location.
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Holy cr*p that's incredible. That's the old Turn Verein Halle by Krempel & Erkes.
I'm glad you liked the photo, Beaudry.


Rodger Young Auditorium and Pacific Isle Cocktail Lounge.

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I'd love to go back in time and have a drink at the Pacific Isle Lounge. ...It sounds exotic (and noirish)
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Holy cr*p that's incredible. That's the old Turn Verein Halle by Krempel & Erkes. I've never seen such a good photo of it—boy I wish I owned that photo; just glad it's here though. I wrote a whole thing about it, once, I was sure it was on this site, guess it was somewhere else.

In any event it looks like the work I did, or someone having dug up the same information, made it onto the PCAD site

The Turnverein Germania Club on Washington Boulevard was set amidst many mortuaries by the 1930s; the club lost the property in 1940; the building was renamed the "Los Angeles Turners Club" during the height of anti-German feeling in 1943; in 1945, Kalman Loeb, Sr., purchased the building and renamed it after Rodger Young, a 25 year-old Los Angeles resident and World War II hero, who died in the Solomon Islands in 1943; Loeb bought the Krempel building and a miniature golf course that existed next door for $150,000; the golf course was later removed for a parking lot; the Loeb family sold the building for $700,000 in 1978, and its contents were auctioned off; the interior of the auditorium accommodated a bar 60 feet long with 50 stools, making it one of the longest in the city;

Storefronts facing Washington Boulevard were eliminated after WW II to create more room for Loeb's auditorium business;

It was demolished after 1978; a warehouse was erected on the property thereafter;
I think you can see the miniature golf course in this aerial detail from December 16, 1931. The Rodger Young Auditorium (Turnverein Germania Club) building is to the left of the golf course and the Hartman Apartments are to the right, roughly in the center of this view. You can see more on the Hartman Apartments in post #42575 by e_r and my follow-up). At the far right is the extant former IOOF Hall at 1828 Oak Street - see post #16716 and post #16717 for more on that.


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Thanks for comments odinthor and HossC. Here's another one, taken from very close to the Huntington photo I posted last night:


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Things haven't changed much, apart from a trolley metamorphosing into a bus:


GSV, 2008

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