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detroit again.
Detroit man... what a shame. Can you imagine what it would look like had it never declined.

From an alternative history standpoint. At its peak, 1.86 million folks. Probably would've easily been 4th largest U.S. city now in 2017 had it kept up.
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Aww, cheer up chap, Washington Boulevard still looks like that today (sans Statler Hotel) and it's currently a heavily populated region of about 6 million people when including Windsor.

I think you should save your pity, I feel much worse for Cincy. Blocks and blocks of perfect urban fabric that will never be recovered, would have been up there with Boston today as one of America's greatest urban cities.
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Another corridor largely saved by the decline:


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OMG, it's really THAT intact? Wow! Amazing!!!
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OMG, it's really THAT intact? Wow! Amazing!!!
Why wouldn't it be? Detroit has suffered economic decline, not a nuclear attack (or even fire or earthquake). Nothing has happened to destroy it physically. I do wonder if all those buildings are occupied, though.
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The Dirigible R100 and Commerce Court North in Toronto circa 1930.

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I think the R100 dirigible made the rounds to a bunch of cities at the time.
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Why wouldn't it be? Detroit has suffered economic decline, not a nuclear attack (or even fire or earthquake). Nothing has happened to destroy it physically. I do wonder if all those buildings are occupied, though.
Mostly all of them save most prominently the tallest one, which is currently under renovation:


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You can make it out here to the far right in this pan from late July:


Downtown Detroit by Amarnath, on Flickr
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Why wouldn't it be? Detroit has suffered economic decline, not a nuclear attack (or even fire or earthquake). Nothing has happened to destroy it physically. I do wonder if all those buildings are occupied, though.
because some cities went insane during decline and shredded their pre-war office building stock...that was very common.


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It had less to do with economic decline and more to do with sprawl and segregation. But yeah, cities were devastated all over the country by renewal, sprawl, auto-oriented culture etc. Like a man made disaster.

I think it's worse because you know all of it was preventable or at least somewhat preventable.

Black Bottom/Paradise Valley is probably the most dramatic example in Detroit, it just doesn't exist anymore, completely gone.

https://detroitenvironment.lsa.umich...stings-street/

There's already renewal on the left in the photo, they considered this area a "slum" when it was actually thriving with black owned businesses and opportunities.
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What we did here in the United States with urban renewal really was like a self-inflicted version of the kind of destruction that is usually only brought on by war.

I visited Rotterdam last summer, and learning about its history before and after my trip was both a bit shocking and thought provoking. As an American who is interested in planning, I couldn't help but draw comparisons to "urban renewal." To think that Europeans lost entire city centers as a result of the destruction of war, and then we Americans followed this up in the decades that followed by tearing down our city centers for no good reason at all.

Here are some great photos or Rotterdam before WWII. Some say it was almost like a second Amsterdam. I find this a bit hard to believe simply because Amsterdam was the center of Dutch prosperity dating back to the Renaissance, and Rotterdam didn't really boom and supplant Amsterdam's port until the industrial revolution. But its still a fair comparison point, as the oldest part of the city center would have been there before the industrial boom-times and would have had similar Dutch architecture to Amsterdam. It also would have been an extremely vibrant place at the height of its pre-war economic prosperity (it is highly prosperous again today) - perhaps moreso than Amsterdam since many of the free-thinking cultural elements that draw people to Amsterdam today weren't yet anything like they became in the post-war era.




And here, following the bombing... the port itself was spared since the Germans wanted it intact. The historic and cultural center of town was leveled as a demonstration of what would happen elsewhere if the Dutch didn't surrender.


And here it is today, from a similar angle - borrowed from a photo thread that was recently posted here on skyscraperpage.

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The Oldest Known Photos of Toronto - 1856

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King Street East, south side, looking west, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 1.


At the left of this row of buildings is the Golden Lion, which rivalled Eaton’s and Simpson’s as one of Toronto’s major department stores during the late 19th century. Officially known as Robert Walker and Sons, the store earned its lasting name when a golden lion statue was placed above its entrance soon after it moved to the location shown here in 1847.

Renovated in 1867 and expanded in 1892, the store appeared to have a healthy future. But when no one in the Walker family was left to carry on the business, it closed in 1898. Some observers had doubts about the site’s future when the store was demolished in 1901. “In Toronto they are pulling down the old Golden Lion to make room for a new White Elephant in the form of a palace,” wrote the Hamilton Herald.

The replacement? The still-operating King Edward Hotel.





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King Street East, south side between Yonge and Church streets, looking east, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 2.


Among the businesses seen in this view is the British Colonist, one of Toronto’s first enduring newspapers. Launched in 1838, it was originally backed by supporters of the Church of Scotland. Considered “a staunch but not rabid Conservative paper” by the book Early Toronto Newspapers 1793-1867, it graduated from semi-weekly to daily publishing in 1851. The paper was sold to rival Conservative paper the Leader in 1860.





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Bank of British North America, north-east corner of Wellington and Yonge streets, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 3.


Opened in 1846, the limestone Bank of British North America was designed by John Howard, whose personal property later became High Park. Howard also designed the adjoining warehouses, which were initially occupied by a grocer. The building was rebuilt into its present form in the mid-1870s. The site housed branches of the Bank of Montreal and CIBC, then a variety of tenants before the Irish Embassy pub settled in.





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The Exchange, Wellington Street, north side, east of Yonge Street, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 4.


Modelled on a similar exchange across the Atlantic in London, the Toronto Exchange was established in 1854 for speculation traders specializing in produce. One-time Toronto postmaster Charles Berczy donated land he owned at the present-day northwest corner of Wellington Street and Leader Lane to the organization. Opened in 1855, it was renovated in 1877 and renamed the Imperial Bank Chambers when that financial institution moved in. Damaged by fire during the 1930s, it was demolished during World War II.





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Second United Presbyterian Church under construction, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 7.


Established in 1851, the Second United Presbyterian congregation renamed itself Cooke’s Presbyterian Church in 1856, in honour of Irish minister Henry Cooke. After holding services at several downtown locations, including St. Lawrence Hall, the congregation moved into its permanent home at Queen and Mutual streets in 1858. A Romanesque-style replacement was built in 1891 and became one of the city’s most popular churches. During the 1920s, woshippers had to get there early to grab one of its 2,250 seats. When the church closed in 1982, its congregation had dwindled to 150. Despite a last-minute heritage designation, the church was demolished in 1984. Though there were hints of future office/residential development, the site, which sits across from Torontoist’s office, became a parking lot.





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Normal School building, Gould Street, north side, east of Yonge Street, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 8.


Founded in 1850 by Egerton Ryerson, the Normal School served as training institution for teachers, who would populate the province’s emerging public school system. Its home in St. James Square opened in 1852 and expanded a few years later to include the Model School, where boys’ grammar classes were held. Among its amenities was a museum of natural history and fine arts which evolved into the Royal Ontario Museum.

The Normal School was moved out in 1941 to make room for an RCAF training centre. After World War II, the site was used to prepare veterans to return to civilian life, via a school that evolved into Ryerson University. The building was demolished to make way for the present Ryerson quadrangle in 1962. Only a portion of the central façade remains today.





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Osgoode Hall, 1856.
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Built between 1829 and 1846, Osgoode Hall served as the headquarters of the Law Society of Upper Canada. Shortly after this picture was taken, the central section was reconstructed by the architectural firm of Cumberland and Storm.





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Parliament Buildings, Front Street West, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 10.


This was the third set of parliament buildings erected in Toronto. Three separate blocks were built on the north side of Front Street, between John and Simcoe streets, from 1829 to 1832. Architect John Howard was brought in to finish off the interiors. The complex was used intermittently during the United Province of Canada era (1841 to 1867), when legislators also sat in Kingston, Montreal, and Quebec City. When this picture was taken, work had begun to fill in the spaces between the blocks for offices, in case Toronto became the permanent capital. Post-Confederation, the buildings served as the home of Ontario’s government until the present Ontario Legislative Building in Queen’s Park opened in 1893. The Grand Trunk Railway purchased the site and demolished the buildings a decade later. The site currently houses the Canadian Broadcast Centre.





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Trinity College, Queen Street West, north side, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 11.


When the University of Toronto declared itself a secular institution in 1850, Bishop John Strachan felt an institute of higher learning with ties to the Church of England was still required. He established Trinity College and hired architect Kivas Tully to design a Gothic-styled school, the first section of which opened in 1852.

Trinity joined U of T in 1904 and moved to the main campus in 1925. The buildings it left behind in what became Trinity Bellwoods Park were briefly used as an athletic centre, then demolished in the mid-1950s. The only remaining portions are part of the gate at the park’s entrance and the former St. Hilda’s College building on Shaw Street, now John Gibson House.





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Rossin House Hotel, southeast corner of King and York streets, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 12.


Introduction to an article on the opening of the Rossin House, the Globe, May 5, 1857:

“The want of proper hotel accommodation has long been a standing reproach to Toronto, and the boasted enterprise and energy of our citizens has often been called into question by visitors from other places. No longer, however, will this be needed, for by the completion of the Rossin House, ample accommodation can be afforded for as large a number of guests as are likely to visit the city at any one time, and, as far as the house is concerned, satisfaction will be given to the most fastidious.”





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Toronto from the top of Rossin House Hotel, looking northwest, 1856.
City of Toronto Archives, Fonds 1498, Item 14.


This image formed part of one of three panoramas of the city, shot from the top of the Rossin House, which were meant to impress Queen Victoria with how much Toronto had grown.

As for the Rossin House, though a fire in November 1862 gutted its interior, fire safety measures included by architect William Kauffman left the walls intact. There was only one fatality. Rebuilt by 1867, it remained one of Toronto’s most fashionable hotels until the King Edward opened in 1903. Later known as the Prince George Hotel, the building was demolished in 1969.
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Court of Honor. Chicago World's Fair of 1893

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Montreal, 1872, by photographer William Norman.


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My god, that's incredible.

Insane how these elaborate buildings were built for the world's fair only to be torn down right after it was over.
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