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Midtown Silhouette (Which will change with the coming supertalls)

It would be cool to see some rendering mockups of all the future and u/c super talls in Midtown South and North only in a silhouette format.


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I put in a request for a rendering showing many of the super talls, and our YIMBY friend Thomas Koloski took the challenge. Great effort on his part.

The template originally was the pic above.

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A Nearly Secret Albany Bill Could Bring a Row of 80-Story Skyscrapers to Your Block

By Matt A.V. Chaban
June 12, 2016


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Not since the skyscraper boom of the Jazz Age has New York's skyline undergone a transformation as it is now. More than two dozen supertall towers — and counting — are in some stage of planning or construction, and not just for Billionaire's Row. These slender 800-plus-foot cloudbusters are springing up in the Flatiron, the Financial District, the Far West Side, and even Downtown Brooklyn and Long Island City. How long before they start sprouting in Riverdale or Tottenville?

How about next week?

That is the fear that erupted after a legislative package came to light in Albany this week that would remove restrictions on the size of residential buildings in the five boroughs. The bills, quietly introduced by Brooklyn Senator Simcha Felder and Harlem Assemblyman Keith Wright, would remove a 1961 density cap placed on residential buildings. Under the new rules — which could be passed before the session ends next Friday — residential buildings in most of the city could be far bigger than they are now. And the biggest backer, besides Big Real Estate, is Mayor Bill de Blasio himself.

The rule change is subtle, affecting the formula called floor-area ratio, or F.A.R., that is used to compute the bulk and size of any building. Right now, residential buildings can have an F.A.R. of up to 12: A 5,000-square-foot lot, say, can be occupied by a 60,000-square-foot building, which usually works out (because of space set aside for setbacks, plazas, and so forth) to 20 to 25 stories. Residential buildings’ F.A.R. is capped by state rather than city law, and has been since 1961, when it was not only written into the zoning code but also enacted in Albany to ensure that it would stick.

The bill as introduced in the Assembly and Senate would eliminate that limit, although developers would have to get anything above 12 approved by the Department of City Planning (as well as the City Council, where public outcry might try to limit things again). That could mean a 40- or 50-story building, or even more, on that same 5,000-square-foot lot. (Yes, we already have residential buildings that are far taller, but building those has required special horse-trading moves, like acquiring the rights from several structures and bundling them.) Many neighborhoods have absolute height restrictions set by the city, but some, like Midtown and Downtown Brooklyn, do not. The de Blasio administration argues that by lifting the cap, developers will be willing to introduce public benefits in their projects, like affordable housing, open space, or infrastructure investment.

On The Brian Lehrer Show Friday morning, de Blasio defended both the bills and his administration’s push for bigger buildings — all through his typical lens of expanding affordable housing at nearly any cost. “There are places where we can appropriately build taller,” Mayor de Blasio said. “There are some specific districts that are already very highly built up, for example Midtown Manhattan, where there's an opportunity to do some more, and to include affordable housing. This is something that is very specific to certain districts that are very dense.” Under the new rules passed earlier this year, any public review at the City Planning Commission triggers the mandatory-inclusionary-housing policy, which stipulates that 20 to 30 percent of a building be affordable if a development bonus is sought.

Now, 40 or 50 stories is still not very big for New York these days, and considering the mayor’s argument, big is good; people, and lots of them, have to live somewhere. And what the advocates seem to ignore is that the state is raising its cap on buildings, but the city is not. Every single neighborhood, and every single block, would still be governed by the city’s existing zoning code. Skyscrapers buildings will not suddenly start springing up on Pineapple or Cranberry Streets in Brooklyn Heights—partly because those are historic districts, and partly because the neighbors would scream bloody murder. Still, the cap was there for a reason, and removing it would indeed remove one more roadblock to denser development.

What it does mean, though, is that developers are likely to propose buildings larger than 12 F.A.R. in neighborhoods that have never seen them before, through rezonings and the like. When this happens, the new mandatory inclusionary housing rules passed in March would kick in. So we get towers, but we also get towers with more affordable housing. It’s a tradeoff the mayor is prepared, even eager, to make. “Now that there's a requirement for affordable housing in these new types of developments, it's a much better equation for New York City,” he told Brian Lehrer.

The question of whether we ought to be building bigger and denser is a flashpoint among city planners, and city dwellers, right now. We all wring our hands over the unaffordable city; we also tend to be skeptical of the very construction that will, at least in theory, add apartments and ease the lack of supply. Groups like the Municipal Art Society support both reforms to the zoning code and expanded density in the city, but they fear that the development taking place now is too unconstrained. Raising the density cap without careful consideration will only exacerbate that. Giant glass slabs marching up a narrow street are not the sidewalk ballet we idealize. But neither is a low-scale street that looks lovely but is too expensive for any tenant except a designer boutique.

“Much ado about nothing” is how Vishaan Chakrabarti, founder of the Partnership for Architecture and Urbanism and former director of the Columbia University’s Center for Urban Real Estate, describes the proposal. “Density is fine if it is in the right place (near transit), is designed well, is responding to social needs, and has a relationship to the fabric of New York City. If it can't meet those tests, not sure it belongs in our city regardless of its scale.”

While these new buildings may be impossible to miss, the changes making them legal were, to say the least, stealthy. “This seems to be the M.O. these days, where people don’t talk about things, they just push them through,” Gina Pollara, president of the Municipal Art Society, said. “This needs a thorough discussion. Lifting the cap would mean more buildings for some of the most crowded places on the planet.” It’s shaping up as yet another fight—as with the MTA and the schools—over home rule between New York City and Albany. “We should let the municipal government control its land use and development patterns, and it is shocking that Albany exerts this much authority over our future,” Mitchell Moss, the N.Y.U. planning professor, said. “New Yorkers should put their faith in their municipal government.”

Some of those New Yorkers in Albany do not share that faith. A group of lawmakers, mostly from the city, have risen up in opposition to the legislation in recent days. While the administration remains supportive of the proposal, it now looks like it will have to wait for the F.A.R. caps to be lifted until another legislative session. “Like everything that happens in Albany, this was being done at the last minute, out of nowhere, with no discussion,” State Senator Liz Krueger said. “And big real estate gets exactly what it wants, and the community loses.”
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So by the end of the week the FAR cap for residential buildings could be gone? Interesting. I wonder how long til we see a whole lot of new proposals after that.
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One World Trade Center Lit in Honor of Orlando Victims

June 12, 2016- New York City, NY- Governor Cuomo lights One World Trade Center in color of the pride flag to honor victims in Orlando Terror attack



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So by the end of the week the FAR cap for residential buildings could be gone? Interesting. I wonder how long til we see a whole lot of new proposals after that.

Not sure on the exact timing, here's more on the bill below...
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation...dment/original

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Floor area ratio (FAR). [The] EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THE ZONING RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK, THE floor area ratio (FAR) of any dwelling or dwellings on a lot shall not exceed 12.0

But I'm sure the development community is well aware of it, and has likely lobbied for it. If there is no FAR limit on residential development, I can see more supertalls being built mainly because there wouldn't have to be the lengthy process of trying to buy more already limited air rights from other properties. At the same time, I don't think any of the current proposals could be "grandfathered" in, but I'm not sure. Whatever the case, the city's population is booming, New York was at one time zoned to hold a lot more (before it was downzoned in '61). The transit system is stressed, but is still one of the top systems anywhere. If there is any place where it makes sense to have no FAR limits on residential, NY would certainly be on that list. The increased benefits of affordable housing and the contribution to transit and street improvements are more important to average people than whether or not a building is too tall.



Of course, the usual suspects are against it...

http://www.nylandmarks.org/advocacy/...mful_upzoning_

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Tell Your State Representatives to Vote No on Harmful Upzoning Bills

June 9, 2016

The State Assembly and Senate are about to vote on bills that will dramatically upzone large parts of New York City.

These bills will remove a cap on residential development that has been in place for over 50 years and will allow unconstrained overdevelopment.


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June 8th, 2016

Bill: S5469 (Felder) / A7807 (Wright)
Subject: Amends the Multiple Dwelling Law in relation to the floor area ratio (FAR) in the city of New York
Date: June 8, 2016

Founded in 1893, The Municipal Art Society of New York (MAS) promotes intelligent urban planning, design, and preservation through education, dialogue, and advocacy. We have reviewed Senate Bill 5469 and Assembly Bill 7807 (collectively, the “Bill”) and strongly recommend that it be disapproved by the State Legislature. This Bill would eliminate a citywide cap on residential FAR, which has been set at 12 since 1961. This amounts to one of the most significant changes in zoning in more than 50 years, more impactful than the recent Zoning for Quality and Affordability (ZQA) or Mandatory Inclusionary Housing (MIH) initiatives, and could lead to dramatic citywide increases in bulk and density without sufficient public review.

While MAS is the first to promote reform to our zoning resolution in this, its 100th year, this Bill is of concern for several critical reasons:

The Bill would allow for significant new bulk in New York City’s high-density residential neighborhoods, especially Midtown and Lower Manhattan, but also the avenues in Manhattan south of 96th Street, Downtown Brooklyn, and the Queens waterfront. These neighborhoods are zoned for the maximum residential density currently permitted (R10 or R10 equivalent districts). If the residential FAR cap is removed, the City will look to upzone many of these areas to increase density, facilitating the production of more affordable housing under MIH. Adding new levels of density to what are some of the country’s most populated districts could overburden the city’s stressed infrastructure network and crowd out light and air for neighboring properties and public spaces.

MAS is concerned that the Bill will lead to the preference for residential development in mixed use districts, as residential use commands a much higher price per square foot, compared to other uses. This could work against the City’s stated goal of building new commercial uses in many of these high-density, mixed use districts. On a related note, the City has expressed interest in expanding Landmark Transfers district-wide in East Midtown; it is unclear the impacts the Bill will have on this market.

Finally, the Bill, as currently drafted, could provide a loophole for property owners to obtain increases above 12 FAR with approval from the Board of Standards and Appeals (BSA). Such approvals through the BSA do not involve the same level of public review required by ULURP. Therefore, the full citywide impacts of eliminating the cap are impossible to predict and the public may not be provided with an adequate forum for understanding potential changes to their neighborhoods.
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So by the end of the week the FAR cap for residential buildings could be gone? Interesting. I wonder how long til we see a whole lot of new proposals after that.
I believe that the extreme portion of it applies for certain neighborhoods. Like in other words, I don't think its for everywhere within the city limits to the extent that we would see in those select neighborhoods listed below*.

But some places like Midtown, DoBro, LIC, and certain sections of Manhattan and Queens will benefit from it a lot.

They just need to lift the cap on office now.

But it will be good to see areas that have mostly 12 floors or so start to see something the likes of 20 or 25 floors. Factor that into the whole city, and it starts to add a nice chunk of units.
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I believe that the extreme portion of it applies for certain neighborhoods. Like in other words, I don't think its for everywhere within the city limits to the extent that we would see in those select neighborhoods listed below*.

But some places like Midtown, DoBro, LIC, and certain sections of Manhattan and Queens will benefit from it a lot.

The only thing the "modification" to the law would do is exclude New York City (the 5 boroughs) from the statewide cap limit. New York City law would still determine which neighborhoods allow for the larger FAR. You won't see hundred story buildings in eastern Queens or Staten Island, just as you don't today. The 8.5 million people in the city need somewhere to go, and unless we want to upzone entire neighborhoods, lifting the max FAR makes sense.




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Opposition Mounts Against Bill That Could Allow for More Tall Towers
NYC legislators are now coming out against the De Blasio-backed bill






BY MATTHEW MARANI
JUN 14, 2016


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New York City is no stranger to development—the metropolis is synonymous with its skyline, after all—but in the last decade the city has undergone a dramatic transformation that has seen the breakneck construction of towering glass skyscrapers and the destruction of smaller buildings many hold dear. And a new legislative package from Albany has the potential to further development, and the rise of those huge skyscrapers, across large swaths of New York City.

According to New York Magazine, developers are required to build in accordance to a floor-area ratio that more or less allows 60,000 square feet of space on a 5,000 square foot lot, approximately 20 to 25 stories. But the passage of Senate Bill S5469 could effectively double the allotted height and space. Mayor de Blasio has openly supported the growth of New York's housing market (in part through cooperation with huge real estate developers), and his administration is framing this bill as a way to increase affordable housing throughout the five boroughs.

As recently as last week, the bill seemed to be on its way to passing, but New York reports that opposition is mounting among state senators hailing from New York City, as well as from nongovernmental organizations like the Municipal Arts Society. Like many of the goings-on of the state capitol, the preliminary discussions, planning, and proposed passing of the legislative bundle were conducted in secrecy, which has left opponents frustrated. "This seems to be the M.O. these days, where people don’t talk about things, they just push them through," MAS president Gina Pollara told New York.

On the one hand, every neighborhood is still subject to New York City's existing zoning code, which according to New York means "skyscraper buildings will not suddenly start springing up on Pineapple or Cranberry Streets in Brooklyn Heights." But on the other, the question remains: Should the politics of Albany have such this much impact on the built environment of New York City?
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Looks like 247 Cherry Street will officially join supertall proposal status...


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Closer viewing of the stacking shows the tower to be about 985 ft (more likely 986), but the stacking looks as if it could even top 1,000 ft to the top of the facade. A true supertall either way.



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^ Yes! 985'8'' = 300.43m = supertall. Add the crown and we'll get >1,000'
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This report from cityrealty gives us more visuals on the everchanging skyline. Of course, as such, it already needs to be revised...


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so, anyone know what this is?

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World’s Tallest Free-Fall Ride Envisioned for New York City’s Penn Station

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Observation decks boasting panoramic city views have commonly been the way to add a “thrill-seeking” element to skyscraper developments, but there’s a new proposal that really wants visitors to throw their arms up in excitement. As the Daily News first reports, two Brooklyn developers have proposed turning the top of Penn Station into the world’s tallest free-fall tower ride – an idea that would be developed alongside all the renovations planned for the outdated transit hub.

The proposed free-fall ride – dubbed Halo – is the work of AE Superlab. Renderings show a tower that would rise to 1,200 feet (366 meters) from the roof of Madison Square Garden, or be tacked onto the back of the adjacent Farley Post Office, which is slated to be converted into a waiting hall to support the expanding station. In addition to its extreme height, the ride’s 11 cars would boast adjustable speeds. Cars could be modified to move as quickly as 100 miles per hour giving it a top-to-base free fall of about six seconds.

Alexandros Washburn, Former President of Penn Station Redevelopment Corporation, now the current President of Brooklyn Capital Partners – which is the development company that dreamt up the idea alongside the project’s designer – shared: “This is an idea that could radically change Penn Station for the better,” with the design firm calling it “an interactive beacon for the city.”

Washburn, along with Brooklyn Capital Chairman John Gerber, see the ride as a way to generate additional cash to support station repairs that would not otherwise be feasible, even if a housing component were added to the project.

According to their proposal, the ride tower would take about 20 months to construct and would cost about $637 million. A ground lease payment plan could generate up to $38 million a year for the state. The developers have already estimated that 7.8 million people would patron the ride annually, paying $35 per ride. Though this price may seem lofty, it’s not totally out of line with other sky-high attractions like the observation deck at One World Trade or Staten Island’s upcoming New York Wheel, both priced at more than $30.
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That's kind of obnoxious and cheapens NYC into furthering it into a theme park, yuck.
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Cars could be modified to move as quickly as 100 miles per hour giving it a top-to-base free fall of about six seconds.
I'll make sure to drink hot goat milk and whiskey before I go on. If they have cameras that take the riders pics as they are falling, that's a Kodak moment right there.
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