Winnipeg Roads & Infrastructure

[cheswick]

As part of the above announcement, province is also consulting on removing left turns onto the south perimeter from uncontrolled intersections,

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by CoryB

While thinking outside the sideways box (aka diamond) is nice to see I wonder how this proposed roundabout is going to handle LCV (semi's with 2x53' trailers).

It looks like they've accommodated for large trucks on two of the legs. The ones with the wide right turn bypasses. The roundabout itself should handle everything or else its just plain old bad planning.

For other movement, such as westbound to southbound, large trucks would take another route prior to the roundabout. Same with people coming westbound to northbound. They would just go up to the intersection at McGillivray and turn left.

It's basically the same thing that is there now, it terms of turn lanes, movements, etc. They just replace the intersection with a round-about.

[dmacc]

Originally Posted by cheswick

As part of the above announcement, province is also consulting on removing left turns onto the south perimeter from uncontrolled intersections,

Not a bad idea, that can be dangerous. Will suck coming into the city or leaving the dump when you can only head east bound.

[bomberjet]

You would use the intersection with traffic lights or interchanges to cross the median. Having a median crossing every mile is ridiculous. Drive a mile or two along the service road to the next intersection.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

It seems those highways are redundant. Why would there be two access points to Hwy 100 in such a short stretch. Close one leg of that intersection and build the interchange at 100. Would solve a lot of this I would've thought.

Makes too much sense! Wouldn't that hard to re-route McGillivray Blvd. to a new interchange that close two poor intersections.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by cheswick

As part of the above announcement, province is also consulting on removing left turns onto the south perimeter from uncontrolled intersections,

Wow. That was mostly done on the north Perimeter about 30 years ago. There are still a couple once you are past McPhillips.

The elephant on the Perimeter though is still Gunn Rd. Itis a high volume access point, with left turns onto and off of the Perimeter. It also currently doesn't even have a traffic light or a reduced speed zone on the Perimeter. Sort of surprised as there is a mint to be made their in speeding tickets if they ever put a light and accompanying 80 km/h zone there. Heck it might even be able to pay for a proper interchange there after a couple of years.

[buzzg]

That roundabout intersection and rural intersections in general will never be a big election issue because it doesn’t affect enough people. Most Manitobans live in Winnipeg, and even more have or will never use the intersection. If a candidate for premier made it an election issue, they’d have WAY more people against it than for it.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Wow. That was mostly done on the north Perimeter about 30 years ago. There are still a couple once you are past McPhillips.

The elephant on the Perimeter though is still Gunn Rd. Itis a high volume access point, with left turns onto and off of the Perimeter. It also currently doesn't even have a traffic light or a reduced speed zone on the Perimeter. Sort of surprised as there is a mint to be made their in speeding tickets if they ever put a light and accompanying 80 km/h zone there. Heck it might even be able to pay for a proper interchange there after a couple of years.

Gunn road should not have access anyway. Second the insane amount of traffic at the Brady turnoff far outweighs Gunn. I know you just despise the south end and really don’t know much about it other then what you google earth on. But the south perimeter is a death trap waiting to happen. Gunn road should just have no cross traffic access.......same as Brady .

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Bluenote

Gunn road should not have access anyway. Second the insane amount of traffic at the Brady turnoff far outweighs Gunn. I know you just despise the south end and really don’t know much about it other then what you google earth on. But the south perimeter is a death trap waiting to happen. Gunn road should just have no cross traffic access.......same as Brady .

Really, that intersection should be closed and people should be forced to use lagimodiere or dugald. Same with wenzel although I would be ok with right in right out only as long as it had exit and merge lanes

[bomberjet]

I would disagree. Gunn should be a trumpet interchange. Next access points either way being Lag and Dugald. All truck traffic from industrial areas use Gunn. There is new residential and industrial going in there, in addition to all the Transcona people in the area.

That's just over 6 miles of highway, with 3 access points. Guinn being 2 miles north of Dugald. Technically theres still room for one more access point going by the 2 mile rule. Wenzel should be closed. The rail crossing at grade should go, but likely will stay for a long time until the Esso plant closes, which I don't see happening anytime soon. Also runs to Pine falls.

[Biff]

Unfortunately, Gunn Rd and the Perimeter will have lights in the next couple of years.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Biff

Unfortunately, Gunn Rd and the Perimeter will have lights in the next couple of years.

Or they will lower the speed limit on that stretch of perimeter to an unreasonable number like in the rest of the province.

ie. Concordia from Molson to Peguis at 50 KMph, really?

[bomberjet]

They'll put traffic signals in AND lower the speed limit. They go hand in hand.

And yes Concordia is a joke in general..

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by Biff

Unfortunately, Gunn Rd and the Perimeter will have lights in the next couple of years.

They can have the official ribbon cutting of 101 and 59 at the same time as the press release saying they improved safety on Perimeter by adding yet another set of lights and speed reduction!

[bomberjet]

Beyond Gunn, where else would they put up traffic lights due to closure of median openings. I can't really think of any since there's so many lights already..

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

They'll put traffic signals in AND lower the speed limit. They go hand in hand.

And yes Concordia is a joke in general..

It's almost comical how speeds on like roads vary in this city between north and south, roads in S. Winnipeg have speed limits of 60, 70, 80 and like roads in N. Winnipeg are set at 50.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Wenzel should be closed.

I like Wenzel. It's such a noble sounding name.
If Wenzel were closed off from the Hwy. it would lose notoriety.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

I like Wenzel. It's such a noble sounding name.
If Wenzel were closed off from the Hwy. it would lose notoriety.

I would be all for closing Wenzel on the south side of 101, or making it a RIRO.

The issue with wenzel on the north side of 101 and that entire 'neighbourhood' is that once the upgrades to 59 happen, the access to pritchard farm road will be closed. That leaves Wenzel/59, 202/59, and Wenzel/101 as access points. I believe Wenzel/59 could be rerouted in the future to 202/59 (where the diamond is supposed to be) and closed where it currently is at 59. That would leave only two entrances and exits out of that area.

As much as it's annoying to keep that access for 20 or so single family homes on large lots, in the event of a closure at one of the two exits there should be some way to access the neighbourhood. That area will likely become more populated in the not-so-distant future and could possibly be more dense than the rest of ESP so that they can increase their tax base. That whole area properly filled in would likely need more than one access point, so keeping Wenzel at 101 is likely necessary.

[bomberjet]

Brokenhead First Nation owns a bunch of that land and has plans to develop. They wanted to put a gas station up at Pritchard Farm and Lag until that access point was closed. Now they don't know what to do.

Same goes for Meadows golf course. Supposed to become housing very soon. Not sure if Brokenhead owns that land or if it's someone else.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I would disagree. Gunn should be a trumpet interchange. Next access points either way being Lag and Dugald. All truck traffic from industrial areas use Gunn. There is new residential and industrial going in there, in addition to all the Transcona people in the area.

That's just over 6 miles of highway, with 3 access points. Guinn being 2 miles north of Dugald. Technically theres still room for one more access point going by the 2 mile rule. Wenzel should be closed. The rail crossing at grade should go, but likely will stay for a long time until the Esso plant closes, which I don't see happening anytime soon. Also runs to Pine falls.

CEMR line now stops at East Selkirk by the Steam Plant, not sure if Hydro still takes coal as they converted at least one of the boilers there to gas.

CEMR took up the rail and ballast from there to Pine Falls a few years ago after nobody bought the paper mill and all the paper making equipment was salvaged and shipped out.