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Old Posted Mar 11, 2010, 2:35 PM
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No, but those who think the willingness to accept transfers in a city like London (or New York) has any relevance whatsoever to the willingness to accept transfers in a city where a monthly pass to park your car downtown costs so little (and many have it for free at their office) are completely out of touch with reality.
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No, but those who think the willingness to accept transfers in a city like London (or New York) has any relevance whatsoever to the willingness to accept transfers in a city where a monthly pass to park your car downtown costs so little (and many have it for free at their office) are completely out of touch with reality.
At least London and New York, AND Dallas and Houston, have what you call urban rail. Will Austin ever get one you like? NEVER!
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http://www.statesman.com/news/local/...ms-352490.html


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Steel railroad ties are generally unpopular with U.S. railroad operators and transit agencies because, among other problems, they contribute to signal failures. And they're significantly more expensive than standard wooden ties.
That didn't deter Capital Metro from buying 65,000 steel ties for $4.5 million and installing 46,000 of them in recent years. Though that process started before the agency decided to build a passenger rail system that would rely on electronic signal equipment, installation of steel ties continued even afterward.
Le Jeune said the steel ties caused problems on the agency's track when they were installed without neoprene insulation, had the wrong clips attaching the rail to a tie or, in one section, had electrical shorts caused by mud splashing on the rails and ties.
Steel ties elsewhere in the U.S. are typically used at yards, where train cars sit idle or go for maintenance, not on the main run of the track. If rail companies put them in main tracks, they tend to be in rural areas where there are no electronic signal systems and few crossing gates.
Not so in Central Texas. Capital Metro has installed the ties throughout its system.
Agency records indicate that Capital Metro bought 32,500 noninsulated steel ties between 2003 and 2006, and 32,560 insulated ties between 2005 and 2008. The agency in August sold about 11,000 noninsulated ties, which they had bought for $59.80 a tie, to NARSTCO and to Acclaim Metals, a Pennsylvania company, for $38 to $41 apiece.
Asked about that sale late last year, Le Jeune said initially that the agency had sold the ties for the same price it paid originally. Capital Metro instead took a $400,000 loss on those ties, according to records.
Le Jeune said he was well aware of wood's dominance in the market, and the potential problem with steel ties, before the agency began buying them in mass in 2003 as part of a $35 million upgrade of an aging and poorly maintained track. But at that time, the few freight trains running on the line were controlled not by electronic track signals but by a radio system in which train engineers simply told dispatchers and each other where they were.
And the agency did not decide until mid-2006 , a year and a half after the election authorizing commuter rail and after most of the steel ties had been purchased, to install a computerized "centralized track control" system that depends on electric current in the rails.
"Wood was sky-high at the time," Le Jeune said, narrowing the price gap between the two types of ties. And the subcontractor running the freight operation at the time for Capital Metro loved steel ties and preferred to replace old wood ties with steel, he said.
"I couldn't give them enough," he said. "That was all they wanted."
Le Jeune said that inside the commuter rail corridor, the agency installed only insulated ties. Outside that central section, northwest toward Marble Falls and east toward Elgin, Le Jeune said that there are many noninsulated ties.
The agency still uses a radio-based track control system for the freight-only sections of its line and needs to use insulated steel ties only in sections where crossing arms are added at intersecting roads.

My opinions:
[1] More expensive isn't always better. CapMetro should have been buying cheaper wood or concrete ties all along.....
[2] CapMetro should have hired an experienced commuter rail operator as soon as possible after the 2004 commuter rail referendum passed.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2010, 2:40 PM
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this doesn't surprise me one bit. i wonder if this is related to the signal failures i've witnessed this past wed and thurs at the braker intersection. the lights turned on, the crossbars came down about 15%, stopped buses completely (in 2 of 3 lanes), and most cars stopped, then crept through once they learned there was no train in sight.

ugh...
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Key road projects starting

Construction is beginning on three key Central Texas highway projects. The Central Texas Regional Mobility Authority and contractor W.W. Webber have begun work to extend the 183-A tollway from FM 1431 to north of RM 2243. The agency borrowed $143 million to finance the job, which should take about two years. The agency and the same contractor should begin work next month on four flyovers that will connect U.S. 183 to U.S. 290 in Northeast Austin, a $59 million job financed with a federal stimulus grant. The flyovers are part of a larger project, costing more than $600 million, to build a six-lane, 6.2-mile-long tollway from U.S. 183 to near Manor that could be finished by 2015.

In April, the Texas Department of Transportation will begin a $25.5 million project to add the final four flyovers to the Interstate 35-Ben White Boulevard interchange. That project should take 18 months.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 3:57 AM
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The flyovers are part of a larger project, costing more than $600 million, to build a six-lane, 6.2-mile-long tollway from U.S. 183 to near Manor that could be finished by 2015.
$600 Million/6.2 miles = $96.8 Million/mile/6 lanes/mile = $16.2 Million/lanemile

CapMetroRail is going to cost less than $4 Million/mile.
$105 Million over 32 miles = $3.3 Million/mile.

If CapMetro had spent $4 Million/mile, they would have spent $128 Million on the train.
If CapMetro had spent $5 Million/mile, they would have spent $160 Million on the train.
If CapMetro had spent $16 Million/mile, they would have spent $512 Million on the train.

Just putting capital costs in prespective, from a very local cost per mile statistics.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 1:39 PM
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My opinions:
[1] More expensive isn't always better. CapMetro should have been buying cheaper wood or concrete ties all along.....
[2] CapMetro should have hired an experienced commuter rail operator as soon as possible after the 2004 commuter rail referendum passed.
We're talking about CapMetro here. They spend money about as well as our government.
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$600 Million/6.2 miles = $96.8 Million/mile/6 lanes/mile = $16.2 Million/lanemile

CapMetroRail is going to cost less than $4 Million/mile.
$105 Million over 32 miles = $3.3 Million/mile.

If CapMetro had spent $4 Million/mile, they would have spent $128 Million on the train.
If CapMetro had spent $5 Million/mile, they would have spent $160 Million on the train.
If CapMetro had spent $16 Million/mile, they would have spent $512 Million on the train.

Just putting capital costs in prespective, from a very local cost per mile statistics.
But.... the toll road will eventually pay for itself. I'm guessing trains in low density cities like the USA has never do.
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Construction is beginning on three key Central Texas highway projects. The Central Texas Regional Mobility Authority and contractor W.W. Webber have begun work to extend the 183-A tollway from FM 1431 to north of RM 2243. The agency borrowed $143 million to finance the job, which should take about two years. The agency and the same contractor should begin work next month on four flyovers that will connect U.S. 183 to U.S. 290 in Northeast Austin, a $59 million job financed with a federal stimulus grant. The flyovers are part of a larger project, costing more than $600 million, to build a six-lane, 6.2-mile-long tollway from U.S. 183 to near Manor that could be finished by 2015.

In April, the Texas Department of Transportation will begin a $25.5 million project to add the final four flyovers to the Interstate 35-Ben White Boulevard interchange. That project should take 18 months.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/conte...ht_in_apr.html

http://www.183a.com/images/stories/d...1110_FINAL.pdf
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 5:29 PM
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$600 Million/6.2 miles = $96.8 Million/mile/6 lanes/mile = $16.2 Million/lanemile

CapMetroRail is going to cost less than $4 Million/mile.
$105 Million over 32 miles = $3.3 Million/mile.

If CapMetro had spent $4 Million/mile, they would have spent $128 Million on the train.
If CapMetro had spent $5 Million/mile, they would have spent $160 Million on the train.
If CapMetro had spent $16 Million/mile, they would have spent $512 Million on the train.

Just putting capital costs in prespective, from a very local cost per mile statistics.
Cap Metro is running on track that was already there. Big difference. They basically bought new cars, some very minimal stations, and then wasted a ton of operating money on a line that didn't work.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 7:26 PM
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Those metal ties. On what sections of track are those? Is that only on their own track?

I've noticed during the last week or so, UP has been replacing the ties on their track here in South Austin with wooden ones. They actually had the Stassney crossing closed to traffic over the weekend while they replaced them. And they had all their track vehicles parked along Vinson Drive.
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CAMPO 2035 Plan. March, 2010.

Pg. 17:

"A. CAMPO PREFERRED CONCEPT
Historically, CAMPO has developed long-range transportation
plans based on past growth trends. We have taken a different
approach for the current plan. This plan has been developed
with the assumption that we may no longer be able to afford
to invest in major regional infrastructure as we have in the
past.
Numerous national studies have shown that higher density,
mixed use development oriented around public transportation
can help us get more for less by reducing vehicle miles
traveled on the regional roadway system and increasing
transit ridership. Over the last several decades regional
transportation planning bodies around the country have had
success encouraging movement toward this pattern through
various initiatives.
The CAMPO 2035 Plan assumes that the region will work
toward implementation of a network of high density mixed
use centers oriented around the transportation investments
included in the CAMPO 2035 Plan."
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Previous CAMPO population estimates have never passed muster. All of them have been extremely low estimates. Going by these new estimates (which I'll assume are low as well), Austin will probably hit 2 million within the next 2-3 years and the 2010 census could very well show at least 1.9 (which is slightly higher than expected by other estimates).

Page 23: New highway plans for HWY 29 and Georgetown.

Page 39, 56: Managed lanes on Parmer, 183-North, and 35.

Notable: 71-East is no longer planned as tolled anywhere within this document.

Notable projects: 183/35 Overpasses, Grade separation at 79 and Red Bud, 79 widened to 6 lanes with median and new location near 35 with bus lanes throughout corridor, freeway plans for 183 all the way to FM 970, Grade separation at 1431 and 183*, LP 1 managed lanes constructed by 2015, 45/35 overpasses finished in 2020, Parmer at Spectrum grade separated, 620 at both Anderson Mill and O'Connor grade separation (without tolls?), 620 upgraded to freeway for short section in central Round Rock, 1431 widened, new arterials in east Round Rock all grade separated from 79, Georgetown inner loop freeway (pg. 76, 80), LSTAR funding in 2013?, double tracking for red line in 2013, commuter rail to Elgin, commuter rail line to Round Rock (through Pflugerville, extended to Georgetown), Austin urban rail open no earlier than 2025.

*If I'm understanding this correctly, this means that 1431 would be grade separated from 183 access and lighting?

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Mirrored windows on the new train....Wouldn't it be nice to see outside...Plus packed to the max...Claustrophobic nightmare.....LET ME OUT!!!!!!
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Uh, you can see outside those windows. Mirrored/reflective glass is nothing new. The idea is to reflect sunlight. When you do that you reflect heat and keep the trains cool. Since the trains will make semi-frequent stops and open two doors per train car, all that nice air conditioned air is going to have at least 5 minutes to escape while at the station. The last thing you want is sunlight heated trains and sweaty Austinites all aboard in August.

Reflective glass is just smart. It's why you see it on a lot of skyscrapers too. It helps to keep them cooler. Everyone thinks dark tinted windows are a good idea, but actually dark colors don't reflect light as well, so sunlight hits it and does not reflect as easily. This is also why white or light colored cars are cooler in the summer than black or dark colored ones. And any energy efficient smart building would have either a green roof or else one that is light in color to help reflect the heat.
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51st/Airport to be partially shut down

I wrote about the fundamental safety problems at this intersection way back in November only to have it pooh-poohed by JMVC and the apologist brigade.

Now, the city's doing something about it - severely impacting central Austin drivers for the benefit of rail passengers that are 99% Leander/Cedar Parkites. (It's the right thing to do, but needs to be added to the list of costs the central city is paying for this 'service' that we'll never get any use out of).

From Ben Wear's blog but actually written by Sarah Coppola:

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The city of Austin will install plastic posts this weekend near the railroad crossing at 51st Street and Clarkson Avenue to stop drivers from stopping on or too close to tracks as they wait at the red light.
Over the years, cars have often stopped on or near the Capital Metro tracks — which is against state law — while waiting for the Airport light to turn green. Because MetroRail cars are much faster than the freight trains that until recently were the tracks’ only occupants, Capital Metro and police have stepped up enforcement.

The northbound right turn and southbound left turn from Clarkson Avenue onto 51st will be prohibited by posts called delineators, officials said. Only vehicles heading east on 51st will be able to approach the railroad tracks and the traffic signal at Airport Boulevard.

Vehicles on Clarkson will be able to continue heading north and take a left onto 51st. And vehicles heading south will able to turn right onto 51st.
In a statement, the city said that the changes are considered a first step. “More restrictive measures may be considered as needed, such as making Clarkson Avenue oneway northbound and southbound away from the intersection, installing a median barrier on 51st Street at Clarkson, or a traffic signal.”
Hey, JMVC, does this count as "I imagine the real difference between our positions on things is that you read about things that are happening in Wear's column and on a few blogs, jump to conclusions and then go rant about it."? Except, oops, in this case, it's my blog that Wear should have read 5 months ago?
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Our vet is up the street at 51st Street & Ave. H. I have always seen cars sit at the traffic light straddling the tracks at that intersection. Although, in the 30 years my parents have used that vet, and the 25 or so years I can remember going there, I hardly ever remember seeing a single freight train going through there. Now though there's commuter trains running through there. I haven't been up there yet since they started, but I would imagine the increased frequency of trains passing is going to be a problem. It's really only a matter of time before a car gets clobbered by the train.

The painting they did on the street and the "plastic sticks" seem futile. Isn't there a way they could sync the traffic lights with the rail crossing arms? I know I've seen that in other cities, even in small towns where railroads criss cross them. One thing I was wondering was, could they have design it so that when traffic on 51st is waiting at a red light at Airport, could the railroad arms come down to block traffic from crossing the tracks? Of course the arm on the south bound lanes would have to remain up so that cars turning left onto 51st from Airport could cross the tracks, and ones also turning right from Airport. It's just a really odd intersection. You have two streets intersecting each other, along with a set of train tracks running parallel to Airport Blvd, plus Caswell Ave. running parallel to the tracks and Airport. What's worse is there is an elementary school at that intersection too.

I've crossed that intersection many times through the years, I'm not surprised at all they're having a problem with it.
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The lights have been modified - when a train's coming there's supposed to be a "clearing" light given to 51st - but in my opinion it's unlikely to be enough in the long-run, and the city/CapMet obviously, finally, agreed.

To be fair, JMVC and I talked about this briefly many moons ago and he acknowledged it was likely to be a problem - but basically pawned it off on the city, which I think eminently unfair. As you noted, freight trains ran through here for decades, but the level of traffic had degraded to once or twice a week, at something like 5-10 MPH, in the middle of the night. VERY different than running twice an hour through the time of day when people are the most likely to stop on the tracks.

And it's shameful for Cap Met to have waited this long to force the issue, of course.
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It's really only a matter of time before a car gets clobbered by the train.
As far as I am concerned if that happens then it is the fault of the car driver, too many people operating vehicles are just too stupid and oblivious to their surroundings for their own good. How many flags and DO NOT STOP ON TRACKS signs are needed to let these clueless wonders know that a train might be coming? It shouldn't be that difficult to know that you aren't supposed to stop on the tracks. There needs to be some personal responsibility for being an idiot. I don't stop on tracks anywhere and it seems to have worked in 32 years of driving/riding on public streets.

Set the light and the stop bar on the 51st side of the track behind the gate and no right on red would be the simplest things to do. Keep officers there for awhile to generate revenue and provide a reminder to those too stupid to know what they should do.
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As far as I am concerned if that happens then it is the fault of the car driver, too many people operating vehicles are just too stupid and oblivious to their surroundings for their own good. How many flags and DO NOT STOP ON TRACKS signs are needed to let these clueless wonders know that a train might be coming? It shouldn't be that difficult to know that you aren't supposed to stop on the tracks. There needs to be some personal responsibility for being an idiot. I don't stop on tracks anywhere and it seems to have worked in 32 years of driving/riding on public streets.

Set the light and the stop bar on the 51st side of the track behind the gate and no right on red would be the simplest things to do. Keep officers there for awhile to generate revenue and provide a reminder to those too stupid to know what they should do.
Typical response, but ignorant. It only takes ONE person to stop on the tracks to ruin things for thousands for a day or longer. And you'll never get to the point where NOBODY will stop on the tracks in an intersection like 51st/Airport was - where you effectively have to stop on the tracks at certain parts of the day unless you want to wait an undetermined number of additional light cycles to get through (could be 1, could be 10; no way of knowing).

Especially given that this intersection 'worked' with people stopping on the tracks for decades, given that the rail service was one or two freight trains a week operating overnight at 5-10 MPH.
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