Austin | Waterloo Park Hotel (12th & Red River) | 335 FT | 27 FLRS | Demo - Page 9

KevinFromTexas · #**161** Posted **Jun 30, 2017, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

From where are they getting this 371' height?

The original site plan that was submitted on February 29 of last year showed the elevations listing the height as 371 feet 2 inches with 31 floors. There was an update about 2 weeks ago that showed the elevations listing it at 357 feet 2 inches with 30 floors. The elimination of the 31st floor chopped off 14 feet. The 31st floor was 14 feet slab-to-slab, as shown in the elevations.

The ATX · #**162** Posted **Jul 1, 2017, 12:09 AM**

We'll probably have to wait until the released elevations are attached to the site plan to know for sure what the height will be. That should be next week. This project has had several changes throughout its 10ish year history. I think it was originally proposed as 20-stories before the recession.

The ATX · #**163** Posted **Jul 7, 2017, 9:59 PM**

The elevations are attached to the approved site plan now. It did end up being 357' tall.

masonh2479 · #**164** Posted **Sep 25, 2017, 9:11 PM**

Was this project cancelled? I've always been interested in it and haven't heard any news in awhile.

The ATX · #**165** Posted **Sep 25, 2017, 9:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by masonh2479

Was this project cancelled? I've always been interested in it and haven't heard any news in awhile.

No. The last news we have is a December start.

The ATX · #**166** Posted **Oct 30, 2017, 7:38 PM**

This hotel is planned to be a Capella Hotel Group property. But about a week ago the Capella Hotel Group that was based in Atlanta was sold to a Singapore family and the HQ is moving from Atlanta to Singapore. This project was never listed on Capella's website, and there is no word about the project's status that I can find. The Capella Hotel Group was founded by one of the Ritz-Carlton co-founders.

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/hotel-...l-group--12042

We vs us · #**167** Posted **Oct 30, 2017, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by The ATX

This hotel is planned to be a Capella Hotel Group property. But about a week ago the Capella Hotel Group that was based in Atlanta was sold to a Singapore family and the HQ is moving from Atlanta to Singapore. This project was never listed on Capella's website, and there is no word about the project's status that I can find. The Capella Hotel Group was founded by one of the Ritz-Carlton co-founders.

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/hotel-...l-group--12042

I wouldn't be surprised if this one didn't inevitably fall away from Capella. Honestly, after looking at other Capella properties and cities, the Mirabeau, in Austin, TX, didn't really match the rest of the brand.

Honestly, Austin always projects more relaxed, more hip, and less urban sophistication. Luxury properties always have that difficulty here -- how to be luxury without seeming stuffy and god forbid unhip.

If I was Richard Branson's team, Capella's CEO would be on my speed dial. That's a great opportunity to swoop in on if you're Virgin.

GoldenBoot · #**168** Posted **Oct 30, 2017, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

...Luxury properties always have that difficulty here...

Can you give us some examples?

Urbannizer · #**169** Posted **Nov 5, 2017, 2:05 AM**

See pg 44.

https://issuu.com/bokapowell/docs/20...ality_brochure

The ATX · #**170** Posted **Nov 5, 2017, 2:23 AM**

Nice find Urbannizer.

https://issuu.com/bokapowell/docs/20...ality_brochure

The ATX · #**171** Posted **Nov 5, 2017, 2:52 AM**

That's a brand new BOKA Powell flipbook, but I just noticed that's the same project info they had in their older flipbook from February 2016. The project didn't include the condos in the approved and released site plan. For some reason the released site plan is no longer available on the approved permit. Maybe a server is currently down.

kingkirbythe.... · #**172** Posted **Nov 6, 2017, 7:25 PM**

I like this revision

KevinFromTexas · #**173** Posted **Nov 6, 2017, 7:31 PM**

Yeah, it's good. It has a quasi-Frank Lloyd Wright feel to it with the overhangs, materials, and colors.

We vs us · #**174** Posted **Nov 6, 2017, 8:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

Can you give us some examples?

Sorry, I just saw this question.

I was around for a good chunk of the Driskill's Hyatt transition, and a lot of the corporate struggle that I saw revolved around how to pitch what it knew about luxury into the Austin market. Hyatt's luxury competency comes from its Park brand, which is traditional, formal, somewhat severe (especially compared with Austin). And definitely informed by major/gateway market ideas. They keep pushing other hipper brands forward (Andaz, and the Unbound collection, which the Driskill is a part of), but especially on the corporate personnel side, getting more relaxed was a struggle.

The Four Seasons, also, has a rep for being a bit outside the brand standards you'd see in larger markets (one of their former sales people I know calls it the Three and a Half Seasons). They've definitely made it work the Austin way, but again a lot of it is more relaxed.

I've heard some inkling from the Fairmont folks, too, that getting rid of the neckties and wearing jeans on Friday is still a struggle.

My point isn't that luxury can't be done here, it's that people expect it to look and feel a certain Austin way, separate from what you'd get in New York or Chicago or San Francisco, and sometimes it takes brands longer than you'd think to get the message.

KevinFromTexas · #**175** Posted **Nov 6, 2017, 8:38 PM**

I just noticed the little hole in the overhang on the right side there (I believe it's the southeast corner) - very Frank Lloyd Wright. In fact, it also reminded me of the First Pasadena State Bank building in Pasadena, Texas that is always compared to his buildings. It's a very cool and overlooked piece of Texas architecture.

Have a look. It's even fairly tall - 217 feet to the top of the sign.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=o...XLvQ00#imgrc=_

Maximusx1 · #**176** Posted **Nov 6, 2017, 9:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

Sorry, I just saw this question.

I was around for a good chunk of the Driskill's Hyatt transition, and a lot of the corporate struggle that I saw revolved around how to pitch what it new about luxury into the Austin market. Hyatt's luxury competency comes from its Park brand, which is traditional, formal, somewhat severe (especially compared with Austin). And definitely informed by major/gateway market ideas. They keep pushing other hipper brands forward (Andaz, and the Unbound collection, which the Driskill is a part of), but especially on the corporate personnel side, getting more relaxed was a struggle.

The Four Seasons, also, has a rep for being a bit outside the brand standards you'd see in larger markets (one of their former sales people I know calls it the Three and a Half Seasons). They've definitely made it work the Austin way, but again a lot of it is more relaxed.

I've heard some inkling from the Fairmont folks, too, that getting rid of the neckties and wearing jeans on Friday is still a struggle.

My point isn't that luxury can't be done here, it's that people expect it to look and feel a certain Austin way, separate from what you'd get in New York or Chicago or San Francisco, and sometimes it takes brands longer than you'd think to get the message.

Cool insight, thanks for sharing!

MichaelB · #**177** Posted **Nov 6, 2017, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Yeah, it's good. It has a quasi-Frank Lloyd Wright feel to it with the overhangs, materials, and colors.

I get how you see that....! especially in pattern of the terra-cotta or copper detail

IluvATX · #**178** Posted **Jan 28, 2018, 6:35 PM**

Any news with this one?

The ATX · #**179** Posted **Jan 28, 2018, 10:44 PM**

There hasn't been any news on this one since the planned December start came and went. I don't think we've seen this rendering yet.

http://www.bokapowell.com/project/hotel-mirabeau/

masonh2479 · #**180** Posted **Apr 3, 2018, 11:57 PM**

Forgive me for bumping this thread with no real information, but I am very interested in this project. Is there any start date planned at the moment or is the project dead in the water. When searching about the project all I could find were these renderings that have already been posted. http://www.bokapowell.com/project/hotel-mirabeau/