Winnipeg: Dugald Rd. - Plessis Rd. Interchange - Page 13

Spocket · #**241** Posted **Aug 24, 2014, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by cheswick

Really? Every other place on Earth would have completed this under pass in 3 weeks? Ok......................

There's an interchange by the montreal airport that was supposed to be completed in 4 years. It's been over 4 years after it's started and it's now 6 years behind schedule. There's a brdge to nowhere sitting there for years. If you think construction delays are unique to Winnipeg, you're sorely mistaken.

Get a grip. I'm obviously using hyperbole.

Danny D Oh · #**242** Posted **Aug 24, 2014, 11:58 PM**

Do we really want to compare politics or construction in our city to Montreal?

Yikes. Saying "hey, at least we aren't Montreal" is like saying "hey, at least we aren't Detroit" to use an American reference.

mattpa · #**243** Posted **Aug 25, 2014, 1:14 AM**

rather be montreal they caught those the bastards while in winnipeg they do as they please

alittle1 · #**244** Posted **Aug 27, 2014, 6:43 PM**

Why would they, half-ass start on the roadway and then just leave it sit with one lane east and west and a red light that is assigned 50/50 cycling. East and West bound is sitting when there is no one using Plessis, stupidity at its best.

A high hoe is sitting parked in the s/b yield for the past week and a half, while CN transport trucks try to get around the corner backing traffic up 1/2 a mile. Either fix the road everyday or get your machinery out of the way, Borland thinks its a parking lot. I have half a mind to go move the machines out of the way, as well as some of the traffic barriers that have been screwing with traffic for the past two months.

Nothing worthwhile to report on the construction project that PCL is heading, appears to be very stagnant from what you can see through the weeds growing around the site. It Labour Day weekend coming up, Labour will be on holidays for five days again, no wonder it will take another year and a half to finish.

cllew · #**245** Posted **Sep 5, 2014, 11:23 PM**

Excerpt from a report to the sept 11/14 Finance Comittee meeting about the status of construction on the underpass

Rail
• The bridge works (Contract 3) cannot commence until the rail shoofly is operational (Contract
2). Contract 3 expected the rail shoofly to be operational on June 27, 2014; the shoofly works
are behind schedule and are expected to be complete in late September, 2014
• The agreement with the rail authority has been finalized and the crossing signals have been
decommissioned
• The rail work contractor is supplying the rails for the shoofly detours. As this rail is not being
supplied by CN, the railway authority requires that the City provide them with indemnification for
any losses related to the performance of the rail. The rail shoofly cannot be connected to the
mainline rails until the required agreement is executed, which is expected to be completed
shortly.
• Track blocks must be requested of the rail authority in a timely manner to avoid delays in
obtaining approvals
• The rail authority has indicated that winter cutovers will not be permitted. The implications are
being reviewed and may delay commissioning of the structure

Oil Pipelines
• The structural slab has been constructed over the oil pipelines and Contract 2 can be completed
• The structural slab design was approved by the oil and rail authorities and an agreement
between the parties was executed
• An alternative alignment has been developed to address Manitoba Conservation and Water
Stewardship’s concerns with the east-west pipeline design
• The pipeline is shallow northeast of the proposed structure and must be relocated. The pipeline
easement is located in properties that cannot be expropriated. Acquisition of these properties
and modifying the pipeline easements may delay these works
• Agreement negotiations are ongoing and need to be finalized prior to relocating the pipelines.
The pipeline relocations are expected to commence in September, 2014
• Single source negotiations and award for the oil pipeline relocations must be finalized in time for
works to commence in September, 2014
• Design of the east-west pipeline is ongoing; any changes to the materials that are being
supplied under Contract 5 could delay works
• The permit from the Manitoba Petroleum Branch has been received for the pipeline relocation
north of the structure. The submission for the east-west pipeline is not complete and could
delay works

Property Acquisitions
• There are two properties that cannot be expropriated, include the oil pipeline easement, and
negotiations have not concluded. The City has received consent to Enter and Construct from
the property owners
• Negotiations with 730 Pandora Avenue West, 1249 Plessis Road and 1225 Plessis Road are
ongoing. These properties have been expropriated

Groundwater
• A groundwater user suggested construction activities have impacted the groundwater quality but
will not provide evidence. The City has indicated it will deny any compensation until evidence is
provided. The City has implemented a groundwater monitoring program

Danny D Oh · #**246** Posted **Sep 6, 2014, 4:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by cllew

• Negotiations with 730 Pandora Avenue West, 1249 Plessis Road and 1225 Plessis Road are
ongoing. These properties have been expropriated

Funny because 730 Pandora West was city property until only a few years ago.

Overall doesn't sound too promising to get even close to the extended completion date.

cllew · #**247** Posted **Sep 6, 2014, 1:48 PM**

they only need a small wedge of property of the old Transcona Police station for the east turn onto Pandora, but probably did not have the final design plans for the road when they sold.

Bluenote · #**248** Posted **Sep 7, 2014, 4:37 AM**

What a joke. May as well pack up. Put signal crossing back and call it a day. Idiots

rrskylar · #**249** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 3:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bluenote

What a joke. May as well pack up. Put signal crossing back and call it a day. Idiots

Incomprehensible and about what you would expect from the city of Winnipeg these days.

cllew · #**250** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 1:57 PM**

Not in the part I posted earlier but in a different part of the report it appears that Esso was holding up work on the underpass as they did not want to cooperate on moving their pipeline and split off to Shell.

They did not approve the contractor that won the city tender, but also did not want to provide a list of who they would approve until the Federal Govt got involved. Then the city finds the approved contractors won't supply the new pipe as part of their contract so the city had to tender out for the pipe which added more delays to the project.

Riverman · #**251** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 3:05 PM**

It's kind of surprising that this wouldn't have been worked out before the road closure.

bomberjet · #**252** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 3:18 PM**

Pipeline companies, no matter which one, are notorious for causing extensive and expensive delays. Some for good reason, some just to prove they don't answer to anyone but the Feds. But yes, all this should have been worked out prior to. Blame Wyatt.

Riverman · #**253** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 3:59 PM**

Councillors are not responsible for project management. You can blame Wyatt but it is not his fault.

bomberjet · #**254** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 5:22 PM**

But City administration is responsible for pushing the project through. Hence the tight timelines. Not project managers. All this stuff would've been sorted out if they didn't rush it through.

cllew · #**255** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 6:35 PM**

Some of the pipeline problems I believe are due to a change in the project manager at their end (can't remember if I read the Esso or Shell person changed) while the tenders were being evaluated and posted.

If it takes Esso or Shell time to assign a new person and they have to read the file (I am sure its not their only assigned project) that will have a bad impact on the city time lines.

alittle1 · #**256** Posted **Sep 8, 2014, 7:44 PM**

As I said before, stop the insanity and go over the bullshit. Or in the final analysis, Transcona may never see this POS built at all.

Bdog · #**257** Posted **Sep 9, 2014, 1:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Councillors are not responsible for project management. You can blame Wyatt but it is not his fault.

Ha! Councillors meddling in large infrastructure projects is something that doesn't happen in this City. Good one...

alittle1 · #**258** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 5:03 PM**

Just wait until Russ Wyatt announces his new candidacy for the Liberal party for Transcona. Oops, did I let the cat out of the bag.

cllew · #**259** Posted **Sep 11, 2014, 11:20 PM**

Wasn't that in the newspaper last week that he was approached about running for them against young Blakie (NDP) and the current PC MP Toet?

cllew · #**260** Posted **Sep 13, 2014, 5:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

Just wait until Russ Wyatt announces his new candidacy for the Liberal party for Transcona. Oops, did I let the cat out of the bag.

You are right, he is gone from Civic Politics as of the end of the current city council term.