High-Speed rail : the European network - Page 6

Grumpy · #**101** Posted **Mar 29, 2007, 8:33 PM**

New Dutch HS-train for the Amsterdam-Brussels line:

can it be any uglier...?

Swede · #**102** Posted **Mar 29, 2007, 8:44 PM**

yeah, not a fan of the design at all. It's good that there are many differentlooking trains, yes, but... ew.

What happened to this?

http://www.highspeedalliance.nl

SHiRO · #**103** Posted **Mar 29, 2007, 10:45 PM**

I doubt that's an actual design.

Grumpy · #**104** Posted **Mar 30, 2007, 8:31 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swede

What happened to this?

http://www.highspeedalliance.nl

it got cancelled and replaced by that boxy grilled one...

Fabb · #**105** Posted **Mar 30, 2007, 10:23 AM**

What's the top speed and the manufacturer ?
Do you have any details ?

R@ptor · #**106** Posted **Mar 30, 2007, 11:48 AM**

So this will be the third HST in the Netherlands after the Thalys and the ICE.

Actually I had no clue that NS also operates ICE trains until I was standing in the Biljmer station in Amsterdam 4 weeks ago and all of a sudden an ICE train with an NS logo on it was driving past. Does anybody know what route is being served by them? Amsterdam-Cologne?

SHiRO · #**107** Posted **Mar 30, 2007, 2:20 PM**

Grumpy can you comfirm that that is an actual train. I don't think it is...
NS Hispeed is just the new name of all the HSR services in the NL.

Grumpy · #**108** Posted **Apr 1, 2007, 6:10 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHiRO

Grumpy can you comfirm that that is an actual train. I don't think it is...

Look at the video please:
http://www.nshispeed.nl/index.php?op...id=575&lang=en

SHiRO · #**109** Posted **Apr 1, 2007, 9:23 PM**

I still don't see anything that convinces me that that is an actual design...

Upon researching a bit...
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL-Zuid#Aanloopproblemen

I believe this is the actual HST that's going to run the domestic route in the NL.
The Italian ETR 500:

So it appears that the trains on the pic Swede showed are going to run the NL domestic route and not the "train" on the pic you showed

. Unless you have another source?

Fabb · #**110** Posted **Apr 2, 2007, 7:55 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Look at the video please:
http://www.nshispeed.nl/index.php?op...id=575&lang=en

According the the video, the Amsterdam-Paris Journey will shed 56 minutes (3h13) and the Amsterdam-Brussels journey will be shorter by over an hour.

The video doesn't say when the service will start.

The trains that appear in the video look like toys. I guess this doesn't mean anything.

Fabb · #**111** Posted **Apr 2, 2007, 9:37 AM**

TGV : new unofficial speed record : 568 km/h

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D’après nos confrères de « Le Parisien-Aujourd’hui en France », le TGV aurait été chronométré à la vitesse record de 568 km/h, mais il s’agit d’un record officieux car aucun huissier ne se trouvait à bord de cette rame TGV pour officialiser le chrono. En revanche, une nouvelle tentative de record officielle devrait avoir lieu mardi prochain.

Selon nos confrères, le TGV a donc établi un nouveau record mondial de vitesse sur rail à 568 km/h lors d'essais officieux. Le président d'Alstom Transport, Philippe Mellier, se trouvait à bord de la rame V150 du train à grande vitesse, composé de deux motrices encadrant trois voitures duplex à deux niveaux, précise le quotidien.

Grumpy · #**112** Posted **Apr 3, 2007, 9:35 AM**

nice video LGV Est : http://www.essaisrff.com/actualites_avril.html

The image of the train that Swede showed is the 1st concept to be built by AnsaldoBreda and designed by Pininfarina.
They are supposed to run between Amsterdam and Brussels , that is true.

On the other hand which train appears in the NS HISpeed website is new to me.

The image of the ETR 500 of SHiRO is to my knowledge only allowed to run in Italy, altough this HST is one of the best designed modells of ... Pininfarina.

Minato Ku · #**113** Posted **Apr 3, 2007, 12:18 PM**

TGV : Official speed record at 574.8 Kph

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A BORD DE LA RAME V150 (AP) -- Une rame de TGV spéciale a officiellement battu mardi à 13h16 le record du monde de vitesse sur rails à 574,8km/h, dépassant le précédent record établi en 1990 par un TGV à 515,3km/h.

Les trois partenaires de l'opération V150 (pour 150m par seconde, soit 540km/h, l'objectif initial) Alstom, Réseau Ferré de France et la SNCF, ont précisé que le nouveau record a été atteint au point kilométrique 191, à hauteur de la commune «Le Chemin», dans le département de la Marne.

Le record, homologué par deux huissiers présents à bord de la rame baptisée V150, s'est déroulé à environ environ 200km de Paris, sur la ligne à grande vitesse (LGV) Est-européenne, dans le sens Strasbourg-Paris. De nombreuses personnes s'étaient massées sur le parcours de la rame, à quelques dizaines de mètres de la ligne, pour assister à cet événement.

Des cadres des partenaires de l'opération, des techniciens et des journalistes se trouvaient à bord de la rame spéciale, composée de deux motrices encadrant trois voitures duplex (à deux niveaux). Le train a développé une puissance de quelque 25.000 chevaux, donnant à bord l'impression d'être dans un avion en pleine poussée au moment du décollage.

Alargule · #**114** Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 11:12 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHiRO

I still don't see anything that convinces me that that is an actual design...

Upon researching a bit...
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL-Zuid#Aanloopproblemen

I believe this is the actual HST that's going to run the domestic route in the NL.
The Italian ETR 500:

So it appears that the trains on the pic Swede showed are going to run the NL domestic route and not the "train" on the pic you showed

. Unless you have another source?

I don't know what would convince you otherwise - the pictures from the 'ugly' train are from the official HiSpeed website. There's even a video that shows the new trains in a simulation.
So yes: the bad news is that those trains are going to run the domestic service...NOT the sleek looking ones already in use in Italy...

Joka · #**115** Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 5:31 PM**

Does anyone have a video of this TGV world record?

Fabb · #**116** Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 5:48 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joka

Does anyone have a video of this TGV world record?

Here you go :

TGVrecord2007

Daquan13 · #**117** Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 9:50 PM**

The one in the top pic looks like the cab of a truck!

SHiRO · #**118** Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 11:03 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alargule

I don't know what would convince you otherwise - the pictures from the 'ugly' train are from the official HiSpeed website. There's even a video that shows the new trains in a simulation.
So yes: the bad news is that those trains are going to run the domestic service...NOT the sleek looking ones already in use in Italy...

Give me something real please...

All sources I read state that AnsaldoBreda is going to deliver the trains in 2008.
The clip on the official site is just an animation, a commercial, NOT AN ACTUAL DESIGN.
Are we to believe that said animation is to be produced into a real functioning HST in under 1 1/2 years? I don't think so...

Give me an actual design or a credible source please. Even an article stating the AnsaldBreda trains have been cancelled would be enough. A promotional clip is not going to cut it...

http://www.highspeedalliance.nl/stat...l/treinen.html

Alargule · #**119** Posted **Apr 6, 2007, 10:11 AM**

Well - I find it credible enough. I for one can't imagine NS HiSpeed would use a 'fantasy' train in its commercials less than a year before the company goes into business. If they would have chosen for a different design, then why not use that one?
Of course: it could all be a hoax after all, and we might eventually still see a sleek HST on domestic routes. But I've got this feeling that is not going to happen.

Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see

Alargule · #**120** Posted **Apr 6, 2007, 10:18 AM**

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Are we to believe that said animation is to be produced into a real functioning HST in under 1 1/2 years? I don't think so...

HSA (the forerunner of NS HiSpeed) placed its order for new trains years ago already. What's more: the trains should already have been delivered! The design is probably years old, but must have been kept a secret for all this time. The train you see in this image is an artist's impression - nothing more. As you might know from automobile shows, concept cars that show the future developments in design usually don't look at all like the models that are eventually taken into production.