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Not sure if this has been posted already. The Central Rail Extension Mobility Study Final Report from RTD. It's loaded with pretty renders.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t5xa8hx9yj...eport.pdf?dl=0
Thanks for this. Does anyone know if they have funding in place?
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is this corridor and small extension possibly the most over-wrought analysis of all time? it's been going on for over 10 years...and this 150 page study results in no preferred-alternative...more analysis to come. (unless i totally missed it...?)

alternative 2 would be good for AS...the extensions just seem kinda silly, and the twists and turns of the NWSS extension? my god what a painful ride that would be...

from the study...

"How long would it take to travel from 38th/Blake to the Convention Center?
The traffic and travel modeling conducted for this project estimated that a one-way trip from
the 38th/Blake station to the Convention Center would take approximately 24 minutes."

anybody see a problem here?

i'm being a curmudgeon on this one...but gotta call a spade a spade here i think.
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is this corridor and small extension possibly the most over-wrought analysis of all time? it's been going on for over 10 years...and this 150 page study results in no preferred-alternative...more analysis to come. (unless i totally missed it...?)

alternative 2 would be good for AS...the extensions just seem kinda silly, and the twists and turns of the NWSS extension? my god what a painful ride that would be...

from the study...

"How long would it take to travel from 38th/Blake to the Convention Center?
The traffic and travel modeling conducted for this project estimated that a one-way trip from
the 38th/Blake station to the Convention Center would take approximately 24 minutes."

anybody see a problem here?

i'm being a curmudgeon on this one...but gotta call a spade a spade here i think.
Alt. #1 was rejected

Alt. #2 was rejected also
"This option was also rejected by the project team (after consultation with stakeholders) because it would result in delays and operational inefficiencies in the downtown loop since there is no pocket track for CRE operations, which also affects user convenience and impacts the downtown traffic signal network."

Sounds like to me that they have settled on Alternative 3A or 3B, both of which will have to be studied again to determine which they are going with. Basically adds a station at the front of the convention center and some extra siding track at 14th and stout to allow more trains through downtown. Those two options aren't all that different from each other, so one would hope that they could be decided on fairly quickly. There is no funding at this time either, so maybe it doesn't really matter if they decide that quickly.

I also found it interesting that the wheel chair ramps are being converted to modular, so that they can be moved around or even eliminated easily in the future....because it looks like they are seriously considering low floor cars!
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"How long would it take to travel from 38th/Blake to the Convention Center?
The traffic and travel modeling conducted for this project estimated that a one-way trip from
the 38th/Blake station to the Convention Center would take approximately 24 minutes."

anybody see a problem here?

i'm being a curmudgeon on this one...but gotta call a spade a spade here i think.
And this is why we keep parking requirements. It's an 8 minute drive, so long as we don't allow the planners to convince us that the days of the car are over and parking must be eliminated. Triple travel time isn't a worthwhile sacrifice.
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It's an 8 minute drive
Actually the way the lights are timed right now it is often more like an 11 to 14 minute drive. If I was commuting downtown from anywhere on this line or beyond I would give up 16 minutes each way if I didn't have to pay for parking.

That said, 10 Mph average speed does seem slow. What are average travel rates on a typical street car local line (which is what this line basically is)
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Actually the way the lights are timed right now it is often more like an 11 to 14 minute drive. If I was commuting downtown from anywhere on this line or beyond I would give up 16 minutes each way if I didn't have to pay for parking.

That said, 10 Mph average speed does seem slow. What are average travel rates on a typical street car local line (which is what this line basically is)
All I have to add is that our streetcar parallels a very congested and busy road and the streetcar takes longer than the bus. 15 mph max speed. Some amount of miles I forgot in 12 minutes.a
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Alt. #1 was rejected

Alt. #2 was rejected also
"This option was also rejected by the project team (after consultation with stakeholders) because it would result in delays and operational inefficiencies in the downtown loop since there is no pocket track for CRE operations, which also affects user convenience and impacts the downtown traffic signal network."

Sounds like to me that they have settled on Alternative 3A or 3B, both of which will have to be studied again to determine which they are going with. Basically adds a station at the front of the convention center and some extra siding track at 14th and stout to allow more trains through downtown. Those two options aren't all that different from each other, so one would hope that they could be decided on fairly quickly. There is no funding at this time either, so maybe it doesn't really matter if they decide that quickly.

I also found it interesting that the wheel chair ramps are being converted to modular, so that they can be moved around or even eliminated easily in the future....because it looks like they are seriously considering low floor cars!

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Actually the way the lights are timed right now it is often more like an 11 to 14 minute drive. If I was commuting downtown from anywhere on this line or beyond I would give up 16 minutes each way if I didn't have to pay for parking.

That said, 10 Mph average speed does seem slow. What are average travel rates on a typical street car local line (which is what this line basically is)
The streetcar isn't free either. You can get parking for not much more than a roundtrip local fare on RTD. Not everybody gets free transit from their employer.

I am not sure there is such thing as a "typical" line. Too many variables (dedicated ROW, signal priority, stop spacing, etc.).
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The streetcar isn't free either. You can get parking for not much more than a roundtrip local fare on RTD.
True but a transit pass would be the obvious choice for a daily commuter and could be used more than just for the weekday commute.

I'm sure you are right and plenty will make the choice to drive to possibly save a couple minutes.
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Alt. #1 was rejected

Alt. #2 was rejected also
"This option was also rejected by the project team (after consultation with stakeholders) because it would result in delays and operational inefficiencies in the downtown loop since there is no pocket track for CRE operations, which also affects user convenience and impacts the downtown traffic signal network."

Sounds like to me that they have settled on Alternative 3A or 3B, both of which will have to be studied again to determine which they are going with. Basically adds a station at the front of the convention center and some extra siding track at 14th and stout to allow more trains through downtown. Those two options aren't all that different from each other, so one would hope that they could be decided on fairly quickly. There is no funding at this time either, so maybe it doesn't really matter if they decide that quickly.

I also found it interesting that the wheel chair ramps are being converted to modular, so that they can be moved around or even eliminated easily in the future....because it looks like they are seriously considering low floor cars!
Thanks for the interpretation as I also declined to study the study.

My understanding was that money for the original extension plan was a part of Fastracks. Whether that included presumed Federal participation I don't know.

Of course whether "Fast Starts" and "Tiger" program funding remains after the next Transportation Bill is anybody's guess. I have heard that these programs have been universally popular in both red and blue states so they might.
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