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Old Posted Feb 9, 2011, 7:23 PM
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Wow pico, where did that come from?


So is "Durst Fetner Residential" the developer or "The Durst Organization?" I want to know so that the information on the database page is correct.

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It's a fantastic project, a good thing for New York and I hope that Durst can build it, but... a question, when Planning Commissioner Amanda Burden goes out?
     
     
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So is "Durst Fetner Residential" the developer or "The Durst Organization?" I want to know so that the information on the database page is correct.
I'm pretty sure Durst Fetner is the residential arm of The Durst Organization.
     
     
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No sure W57th street is a"gateway" to Manhattan at least not on the same level as W42nd, neverthless, its in a highly visible location, thus, something spectacular, which this is, will be appreciated.
Dunno, maybe because it's so close to the terminal, or just in general on the waterfront. The towers just to the north (Riverside Center) got approved, so although I expect a rocky approval process for this one, I don't see why it wouldn't get through. And it's good that they're talking to the CPC early on.





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It's a fantastic project, a good thing for New York and I hope that Durst can build it, but... a question, when Planning Commissioner Amanda Burden goes out?
If mayor-for-life Bloomberg decides to stay on for a fourth term, Burden would likely stay on. Overall, she's done a good job with the Planning Commission.
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Hey STR if you are here reading this can you do a rendering of this building?.
Not to knock STR, but the (dozens of) renderings BIG released are already pretty phenomenal. Not sure what the added effort would net anyone at this point.

In other news, I am a big fan of BIG in general and Bjarke Ingels in particular. Another "wow" building from his studio.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2011, 9:28 AM
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I can't believe that Donald Trump is sitting by and letting all of these developers and their architects hog all the spotlight in New York residential development. There are Ratner and Ghery's Beekman, Extell and Portzamparc's Carnegie 57 (and Riverside Center - once Trump's own project!), Hines and Nouvel's Tower Verre, even Silverstein's 30 Park Place, and now this. Surely Trump has had enough, and will announce his next, incredibly breathtaking New York development soon...

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say about this one.
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Bjarke Ingels Is BIG in New York City with W57

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In collaboration with SLCE Architects, Starr Whitehouse Landscape Architects, Thornton Tomasetti, Dagher Engineering, Langan Engineering, Hunter Roberts Construction Group, and Glessner Group, BIG develops a scheme that's meant to reflect a hybrid of European perimeter block -- courtyard enclosed by mid-rise apartment building -- with the archetypical tower plaguing the NYC groundscape and skyline, an output from an architectural vernacular Bjarke has labeled "pragmatic utopianism."

I was fortunate enough to spend some impromptu time with Bjarke on Monday onsite at 57th Street and let him share some of his insights for W57.
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Neighbors who could one day live in the shadow of a Hudson River pyramid got their first opportunity to weigh in on Danish architect Bjarke Ingels' proposed project at an informal presentation Wednesday night.

Joined by developer Douglas Durst, Ingels told residents, City Councilwoman Gale Brewer and members of Community Board 4's Hell's Kitchen land use committee about his dreams for a residential complex between 57th and 58th streets and 11th and 12th Avenues.

The 700-unit complex would, Ingels said, create a bridge between the neighborhood and the waterfront, akin to projects in his hometown of Copenhagen such as the harbor pool. It would also meld the Danish habit of placing gardens in the center of residential complexes with the New York motif of dense skyscrapers.

The building's townhouses, which would rise above a first level of retail shops and a cultural space likely to be occupied by the International Center of Photography, would bear bay windows and balconies staggered in a "fish bone structure," Ingels said.

For all the design's architectural splendor, sticking points for the project's approval — the pyramid has yet to begin the city's seven-month land use review process — will include the perceived presence or absence of community benefits.

Brewer and CB4 members pressed Ingels and Durst to add more green space on the 110,000 square foot lot accessible to the public. Although an elevated courtyard forms the centerpiece of the structure, that area is slated for private use only.

"We're like a pain in the neck community, here in New York," Brewer said, before explaining that trees planted around the development's perimeter would not be enough.

Brewer also asked Durst to confirm that the largest retail space on the ground floor would not go to a Costco, some form of "urban Costco," or a "fake grocery like Walmart."

Durst said they would not bring in a tenant like that, and instead were looking for an actual grocery store, which would fill a need in the neighborhood.


The Board's emphasis on keeping affordable housing in the area will create another challenge for Durst and Ingels.

While the two plan to make 20 percent of units in the pyramid affordable, they have not agreed to make those apartments permanently affordable.

Several board members asserted that they are weary of deals that allow affordable housing commitments in the neighborhood to expire after 20 or 30 years.

"There's going to be a fight in this community for permanently affordable," Brewer said. "Just so you know, one way or another it's going to be permanent."
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^ Yea! this is a tough crowd to please. Although, you gotta love the comments regarding Costco and Walmart. Kinda like saying a pig with lipstick is still a pig. Bring us trees and grass and real stores!!
     
     
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I can't believe that Donald Trump is sitting by and letting all of these developers and their architects hog all the spotlight in New York residential development. There are Ratner and Ghery's Beekman, Extell and Portzamparc's Carnegie 57 (and Riverside Center - once Trump's own project!), Hines and Nouvel's Tower Verre, even Silverstein's 30 Park Place, and now this. Surely Trump has had enough, and will announce his next, incredibly breathtaking New York development soon...

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say about this one.
About Trump, you think that he want build a possible super tall tower (2000 ft) soon?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2011, 7:52 AM
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About Trump, you think that he want build a possible super tall tower (2000 ft) soon?
My comments should be interpreted as saying "I don't know what Trump is doing!" Just pointing out that this tower is the sort of headline grabbing tower Trump used to like and usually has a thought on.


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Yea! this is a tough crowd to please. Although, you gotta love the comments regarding Costco and Walmart.
Just more Nimbyism. Whether you love or hate those stores, it's the constant nitpicking of these NIMBYs that annoys me. No longer content to be against a large store, they now want to pick which stores are allowed. I say let teh developers get whoever they can for the development. If no one wants to shop there, it'll close.
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Big changes for this whole area are on the way!

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NY REAL ESTATE RESIDENTIAL FEBRUARY 11, 2011 Hell's Kitchen Seeks Heaven-Sent Rezoning Article Stock Quotes Comments By SHELLY BANJO


As construction of skyscrapers and lofty condominiums begins along the 26-acre Hudson rail yards project, residents of next-door Hell's Kitchen area are looking to spruce up their own neighborhood, with an eye toward also keeping it affordable.

The community board that includes Hell's Kitchen, also known as Clinton, has teamed up with the Department of City Planning on a plan to rezone 18 blocks of the district. The aim is to make it less of a manufacturing zone and more of a mixed-use community, with a range of residential, retail and community space.

City planners and neighborhood residents believe they can better handle the area's anticipated growth if they begin planning for it now.

"With all the tall buildings going up around the city and plans for the luxury skyscrapers of the Hudson Yards encroaching on the neighborhood, Clinton became concerned," says Robert Benfatto, district manager of Community Board 4.

On March 2, the community board intends to hold a public hearing to present the plan, which could create 1,600 residential units and reduce the amount of commercial space in the area, according to an environmental impact review from the city. The plan would limit the height of new buildings. It also is intended to preserve historic buildings, create affordable housing and prohibit new hotels and entertainment establishments.

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The zoning changes would apply to the area between 10th and 12th avenues from 43rd to 55th streets, covering part of a diverse area that began as a rural riverfront in the 1800s. Later, it became the industrial locus of tanneries and manufacturing companies, as well as a hub of Prohibition breweries.

Strict zoning rules had long kept Hell's Kitchen a mostly industrial area with a mix of storage facilities and warehouses, car-repair shops and strip clubs. Zoning rules were relaxed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, ushering in new developments like the Hearst Tower on 56th Street, Offices also opened by companies like advertising agency Ogilvy & Mather and retailers Prada and Kenneth Cole Productions.

Consolidated Edison Co. and FedEx Corp. continue to operate in the neighborhood. Meanwhile, large luxury buildings are on the rise, including developer Larry Silverstein's twin 60-story Silver Towers as well as the 505 on West 47th Street and Two Trees' Clinton Park on 11th Avenue, which looks to complete the first phase of a 900-unit complex later this year.

Just on the outskirts of the planned rezoning district, on 57th Street, development company Durst Fetner Residential unveiled plans this week to build an expansive, pyramid-shaped luxury apartment building rising 450 feet. The new building will include 770,000 square feet of retail space and a community organization, which Durst says could be the International Center of Photography. A center spokesman declined to comment.

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As longtime residents watch the luxury high-rises descend on their neighborhood and see the expiration of current affordable-housing provisions, many worry about preserving the fabric of the neighborhood. They say the 80-20 tax-exempt bond program, which sets aside 20% of a development for affordable units, won't sustain the neighborhood for the long term because the provisions promoting affordability are temporary.

"We're a community that's been undergoing a ton of rapid change and we don't want to see another large building go up without permanent affordable housing," Sarah Desmond, co-head of Community Board 4's Clinton/Hell's Kitchen land-use committee, said this week.

With the influx of housing and development, concerns over space for the neighborhood's school children has become top priority for a neighborhood that is at risk of lacking seats for more than 1,000 students by 2019, according to a 2009 report by New York City Comptroller John Liu.

"Where are these kids going to go to school over here?" says Tom Cayler, a resident and member of the West Side Neighborhood Alliance, a community group. By the time the new planned schools are built, "we think they will already be overcrowded," he says.

Community members also bemoan the dwindling amount of open space and parks. "We want to know what can the public get that's green," said city Councilwoman Gale Brewer, after a presentation on plans for the new Durst building.

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Even though the community board and the Department of City Planning are jointly sponsoring the rezoning, the push and pull between the city and residents over approval won't be simple. Neighborhood groups are seeking to bulk up provisions to include more family-sized affordable housing, provide residents with protections against being pushed out by landlords and augment the area's schools and open space.

Four years in the making, the formal rezoning process is just beginning. After the community board's public hearing in March, the rezoning proposal has to go through the Manhattan borough president's office, the City Planning Commission and finally the City Council before obtaining approval.

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Ahhhh! So much going on in NYC now. It's getting crazy! In a good way of course
     
     
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Ahhhh! So much going on in NYC now. It's getting crazy! In a good way of course
Yeah, things are slowly beginning to thaw. By next year we'll probably be in the beginnings of another construction boom. The City will be due for one, especially with the lack of a lot getting built right now. It's all a matter of tenants and financing, with a few approvals here and there.
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I assumed he would be articulate as all OMA graduates are, and I’d heard he was as intellectually entertaining as only those TED Talk types can be, but I was surprised that Bjarke Ingels, the Danish architect recently taking the city in a storm of media, could also simply converse. And he did so with ease last night in a Q&A with The Architect’s Newspaper as part of a Design Trust for Public Space council member drive at the oh-so-private Core Club. The theme was “New York After Bloomberg,” which frankly scares some people, especially architects, as the mayor has been a practically unprecedented supporter of the building arts and enlightened zoning throughout his three-term tenure.

Not that Ingels was prepared to address that scary subject per se. But the audience was far from disappointed with his slide show of current work backing up his theory of “hedonistic sustainability.” Who would disagree with the importance of doing the right thing, an embraceable position whether developers, architects or citizens? And so he showed hilarious slides of visitors to his Shanghai Expo bike ramp underpinned by the lesson that cars and bikes must find a way to co-exist, and provoked wows with his mountain of trash at a waste disposal plant turned urban ski slope, complete with a smoke stack that puffs educational smoke rings. (Dads can tell their children, he said, that ten puffs are equal to an astonishing ten tons of carbon dioxide.)

He smoothly explicated his 57th Street project for the Durst Organization, showing how its unconventional deconstructed pyramid shape responded with perfect rationality to an assortment of empirical needs.

It was impressive and it was impossible to know how his sunny can-do approach is going to fly in the molten Mordor-like power-field that is New York’s built environment.

And so I asked him how his first community board meeting went; he parried that he’d been through worse in Copenhagen when presenting a proposal for a mosque. No one quite believed him. And when asked if he could handle the demands for affordable housing, he was at the ready describing how his most famous built work to date, 8 House in Copenhagen, is based on an offset stacking of pre-fab units, a kind of Habitat for the 21st century.


He seemed a little behind times in noting how wonderfully New York had embraced new bike lanes. But much appreciated was his reference to working for Rem Koolhaas and OMA as his “tour of Nam,” while he has clearly modeled his international staffing on Rem’s approach to diverse hires.

BIG has recently moved to the Starrett-Lehigh in Chelsea and is preparing for projects that “will be made public throughout the year,” as BIG’s director of business development, Kai-Uwe Bergmann, told the Real Estate Weekly. But for us, it was also appealing that Ingels did not only come to these shores out of blind ambition, but to follow a girl. It is clearly going to be interesting in the next five years to see what Ingels does to New York, and what New York does to Ingels, whether or not it’s post-Bloomberg.
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It could work with different colors, but the danger as it's presented is that it would look like something belonging in Orlando.
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the danger as it's presented is that it would look like something belonging in Orlando.
I don't think there's any danger of anything built in Manhattan looking like it belongs in Orlando.
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i like it a lot!

my first impression is that it's kind of a light-hearted and almost kitschy ode to the harbor's sailing days of yore, like the maritime union building (now maritime hotel) and gehry's iac building to the south of it.

while not exactly genius, it's definately something different for a change and per the animation there would be lots of eye-catching angles to see it from!
     
     
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I like it a lot but I agree with Troubadour that it might not exactly fit in.
     
     
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