The Manitoba Provincial Politics Discussion - Page 26

Bdog · #**501** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 6:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

The reporter was reporting. The facts came from Statistics Canada.

Such continual denial is unhealthy.

With all due respect, Brodbeck is a columnist, not a reporter. I'm not disagreeing with the stats in this case, but it is easy to cherry pick stats from statscan to make whatever point you want. Someone could (not saying I agree) easily pull up housing price numbers and say "look, Manitoba's housing market has the greatest outlook in the country going forward. What a red-hot economy!"...

Brodbeck tends to cherrypick in almost every "article". Don't support C-10? Forget the fact that you might only disagree with one of 2 of the tenets - you support child molesters! An anamoly year for murders after 5 year lows - downtown is a cesspool, crime is out of control, don't go anywhere near the core. You get the picture...

Riverman · #**502** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 6:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

The columnist was commenting. The facts came from Statistics Canada.

Such continual denial is unhealthy.

There I fixed it for you Bdog, and thanks for the WADR. The fact remains, people are leaving in droves and things are not looking good for MB. At least not to me having two sons about to graduate and enter the workforce.

jmt18325 · #**503** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

There I fixed it for you Bdog, and thanks for the WADR. The fact remains, people are leaving in droves and things are not looking good for MB. At least not to me having two sons about to graduate and enter the workforce.

Things don't look good? We have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country, and pre recession, we had one of the highest economic growth rates in the country. This year, we're predicted to grow above the average, despite the flood, after just one lacklustre year. Our per capita GDP, both pre and post recession, is almost as high as those of Ontario and BC.

Things don't look good? Really?

Riverman · #**504** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

Things don't look good? Really?

Really.

jmt18325 · #**505** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 6:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Really.

Sure, I guess if you ignore all of those things I mentioned and don't look at Manitoba in the context of most of the rest of the western world, I guess you could say that.

Now if you're saying that things don't look as good as they do in Norway or Alberta or Saskatchewan or Newfoundland and Labrador, then I'll agree, but those are jurisdictions that share a very unique situation in terms of resources.

Our economy is doing well relative to most of the rest of NA and Europe, our population is growing at the fastest rate in decades, and our unemployment rate is low...and despite what Brodbeck says, we've been creating jobs with a recent blip.

Bdog · #**506** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

There I fixed it for you Bdog, and thanks for the WADR. The fact remains, people are leaving in droves and things are not looking good for MB. At least not to me having two sons about to graduate and enter the workforce.

Fair enough. My point was that different writers can take the same "facts", and portray them in very different lights. Here is the Free Press article, analysing the same set of facts Brodbeck was: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...133238238.html

A far more balanced approach, in my opinion.

Anyway, to me personally, and most people I talk to, Manitoba's doing much better now than we have in a long time. People are more optimistic now than they were in say, 1995. More disposible income, more jobs, lower unemployment, a stronger housing market, lower debt-GDP ratio, population growth, more choice in terms of retail/cuisine/etc...

Riverman · #**507** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

Now if you're saying that things don't look as good as they do in Norway or Alberta or Saskatchewan or Newfoundland and Labrador, then I'll agree, but those are jurisdictions that share a very unique situation in terms of resources.

Our economy is doing well relative to most of the rest of NA and Europe, our population is growing at the fastest rate in decades, and our unemployment rate is low...and despite what Brodbeck says, we've been creating jobs with a recent blip.

Yep, all built on the unsustainable pillars of debt and transfers.

jmt18325 · #**508** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 10:12 PM**

No actually, it wasn't. All provinces receive transfers, and Manitoba actually receives less per capita, as a percentage of government revenue, and in total dollars than it used to. Saying things like that just shows a misunderstanding of how Equalization and other transfers work.

Most of Manitoba's growth has been in the private sector. You'd know that if you read something other than the Sun.

Winnipegger@Heart · #**509** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 10:32 PM**

get your freakin' head out of your ass JMT. The rose colored glasses don't suit you. The cost of housing in Halifax is still on average higher than Winnipeg, but people are not flocking there, but rather still leaving. You can try to manufacture a silk purse out of a sow's ear all you want, but people are leaving Manitoba in droves; there are numerous reasons, and most are because of the NDP. Regardless of Brodbeck's journalistic integrity, or lackthereof, he did not fabricate those stats.

Winnipegger@Heart · #**510** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmt18325

No actually, it wasn't. All provinces receive transfers, and Manitoba actually receives less per capita, as a percentage of government revenue, and in total dollars than it used to. Saying things like that just shows a misunderstanding of how Equalization and other transfers work.

Most of Manitoba's growth has been in the private sector. You'd know that if you read something other than the Sun.

Spoken like a true socialist twit.

1ajs · #**511** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 10:49 PM**

Winnipegger@Heart chill it........

jmt18325 · #**512** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 11:06 PM**

I love getting called a socialist on here. It's the funniest thing.

Joshy · #**513** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 11:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

The reporter was reporting. The facts came from Statistics Canada.

Such continual denial is unhealthy.

It doesn't matter what you say to him. He is a socialist at heart, wearing the rosy-colored NDP beer-bottom glasses, and will defend his NDP party to his death.

Bottom line is that this province continues to lose people to other provinces, and despite being "better off than we have been in a long time", things could be better but the NDP have no intentions of trying to make Manitoba a better place in terms of business or economy. The status quo or less is all they know how to do.

jmt18325 · #**514** Posted **Nov 10, 2011, 11:17 PM**

I can't be a member of the NDP, because I'm a member of the Conservative party of Canada. I wouldn't support the provincial NDP if they were socialists (the federal NDP aren't either, but I digress).

The NDP, over the last 12 years, has done nothing but make Manitoba a better place. I wouldn't support them if they didn't. There's nothing that any other party could do to make things better at current.

Cyro · #**515** Posted **Sep 30, 2013, 5:39 PM**

I know nobody wants to here about it but.............

National approval poll for Premiers by Angus Reid: Sept.5 to Sept.13 2013 says..

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Selinger places near the back of the back with 25 per cent voter approval.

The poll also says Manitoba’s Progressive Conservative leader Brian Pallister holds a higher rating (50%) than Selinger.

Greg ( added picture to make it easier for you to post

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Article/Image Link:

Ahhh... how do you feel about our provincial government

and the progress they've made over the last decade?
(disclaimer: I'm not endorsing any party)

Do we stick with our current provincial government or is it time to move on?

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1ajs · #**516** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 5:10 PM**

stick with what we got the alternatives are a bunch of idiots.........

Riverman · #**517** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 5:37 PM**

No what we have now are a group of underachievers who are incapable of running a lemonade stand. We need a business friendly government to make our province more attractive for economic development. Right now it isn't.

esquire · #**518** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riverman

No what we have now are a group of underachievers who are incapable of running a lemonade stand. We need a business friendly government to make our province more attractive for economic development. Right now it isn't.

Let's hope our future business-friendly provincial government is more successful than our current business-friendly mayor.

VANRIDERFAN · #**519** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 7:32 PM**

Sadly Winnipeg runs this province and most of the big city votes for the NDP. If there is a popular Liberal, then they will bleed votes from the NDP and the Conservatives can assume government.

I would be nice if Brandon and Winnipeg's population were more equal. That would balance out the province alot better.

steveosnyder · #**520** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 7:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

Sadly Winnipeg runs this province and most of the big city votes for the NDP. If there is a popular Liberal, then they will bleed votes from the NDP and the Conservatives can assume government.

I would be nice if Brandon and Winnipeg's population were more equal. That would balance out the province alot better.

Is Brandon a very conservative area? If so, how did they vote in Shari Decter-Hirst?