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Old Posted Feb 11, 2022, 4:23 PM
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I have always thought there is a bit of hesitancy concerning condos and town houses as the concept is still fairly foreign to many in NB. Condo fees and the limits to what one can do with their property come as a shock to many around here as they have not been exposed to this concept previously.
Yes, I think this is probably the case. But isn't it funny how people will rent a brand new two-bedroom apartment with a water view in Fredericton (for a relatively premium price) which they can't really change the interior of or customize...but are hesitant to buy a condo and pay a maintenance fee and build equity in something they can paint and remodel to their own personal style?

I do hope things change. There is a lovely development in Guelph, Ontario called The Metalworks (http://themetalworks.ca/community/) which has been very popular with Baby Boomers seeking a turn-key lifestyle as they down-size. Another next door called Edewater is also a lower-rise lifestyle project (https://edgewatercondos.ca/brochure/)

I would think something like this would be very popular for returning NB-ers from Ontario, Alberta and beyond who want to live in Downtown Fredericton, Moncton, or Saint John without the extra work of a detached home. Not to mention younger professionals starting out.

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Yes, I think this is probably the case. But isn't it funny how people will rent a brand new two-bedroom apartment with a water view in Fredericton (for a relatively premium price) which they can't really change the interior of or customize...but are hesitant to buy a condo and pay a maintenance fee and build equity in something they can paint and remodel to their own personal style?
Funny enough, the Tony George buildings downtown have tons of customizations for their initial tenants.
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Nova Scotia's Towns: Rank - Name - 2021 Pop - % Change Since 2016 - Ranking in 2016

1. Truro - 12'954 (+5.7%) (#1)
2. New Glasgow - 9'471 (+4.4%) (#3)
3. Amherst - 9'404 (-0.1%) (#2)
4. Bridgewater - 8'790 (+3.0%) (#4)
5. Yarmouth - 6'829 (+4.8%) (#5)
6. Kentville - 6'630 (+5.7%) (#6)
7. Wolfville - 5'057 (+20.5%) (#9)
8. Antigonish - 4'656 (+6.7%) (#7)
9. Stellarton - 4'007 (-4.8%) (#8)
10. Westville - 3'540 (-2.5%) (#11)
11. Port Hawkesbury - 3'210 (-0.1%) (#12)
12. Pictou - 3'107 (-2.5%) (#13)
13. Berwick - 2'455 (-2.2%) (#14)
14. Trenton - 2'407 (-2.7%) (#15)

15. Lunenburg - 2'396 (+5.9%) (#16)
16. Digby - 2'001 (-2.9%) (#17)
17. Middleton - 1'873 (+2.2%) (#18)
18. Shelburne - 1'644 (-5.7%) (#19)
19. Stewiacke - 1'557 (+13.4%) (#20)
20. Oxford - 1'170 (-1.7%) (#21)
21. Mahone Bay - 1'064 (+2.7%) (#22)
22. Clark's Harbour - 725 (-4.4%) (#23)
23. Mulgrave - 627 (-13.2%) (#24)
24. Annapolis Royal - 530 (+7.9%) (#26)
25. Lockeport - 476 (-10.4%) (#25)

Note that I bolded anything beyond +/- 5%. Also Windsor (3'648 in 2016) was dissolved in 2020 so is not listed. It looks like the fastest growing towns are university hubs or within commuting distance of Halifax. The remote towns like Lockeport and Mulgrave are depopulating fast and I won't be surprised if they dissolve in the coming decade.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2022, 3:54 PM
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I did a similar comparison for New Brunswick and included the cities as well.

Saint Andrews 1,786 2,048 14.7% #1
Sackville 5,331 6,099 14.4% #2
Shediac 6,664 7,535 13.1% #3
Richibucto 1,266 1,411 11.5% #4
Bouctouche 2,361 2,513 6.4% #8
Woodstock 5,228 5,553 6.2% #9
Riverview 19,667 20,584 4.7% #10
St. George 1,517 1,579 4.1%
Sussex 4,282 4,440 3.7%
Shippagan 2,580 2,672 3.6%
Quispamsis 18,245 18,768 2.9%
Rothesay 11,659 11,977 2.7%
Hampton 4,289 4,395 2.5%
Dalhousie 3,126 1,090 2.2%
Nackawic 941 962 2.2%
St. Stephen 4,415 4,510 2.2%
Saint-Léonard 1,300 1,322 1.7%
Lamèque 1,285 1,301 1.2%
Caraquet 4,248 4,285 0.9%
Beresford 4,288 4,294 0.1%
GB-Westfield 4,964 4,967 0.1%
Oromocto 9,223 9,045 -1.5%
Fville -Bristol 1,604 1,573 -1.9%
Grand Falls 5,326 5,220 -2.0%
Saint-Quentin 2,194 2,141 -2.4%
Hartland 957 933 -2.5%

Dieppe 25,384 28,114 10.8% #5
Moncton 71,889 79,470 10.5% #6
Fredericton 58,270 63,116 7.5% #7
Saint John 67,575 69,895 3.4%
Campbellton 6,883 7,047 2.4%
Bathurst 11,897 12,157 2.2%
Miramichi 17,537 17,692 0.9%
Edmundston 16,580 16,437 -0.9%

One of the interesting things to note is that the three fastest growing areas in New Brunswick are in fact rural towns, with 6 out of the top 10 being in non-CMA areas. Saint Andrews and Sackville lead the pack with both towns have double the growth of Fredericton (City).

An interesting development indeed to see where people are moving!
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One of the interesting things to note is that the three fastest growing areas in New Brunswick are in fact rural towns, with 6 out of the top 10 being in non-CMA areas.
They might not be CMA areas but they definitely contribute to them. Shediac, Sackville, Richibucto, and Bouctouche all have one thing in common. Likewise for Woodstock and St. George.

Sussex and Shippagan are very likely consolidation of decline in surrounding rural areas - Sussex Corner declined as Sussex grew. Saint Andrews is the odd-one out, but anyone that's been there can attest as to why that place would be enticing to Ontarians or other interprovincial migrants.
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Newfoundland and Labrador's Largest Cities & Towns

CITY/TOWN - Population (2021) - Change from 2016

1. St. John's - 110,525 - +1.5%
2. Conception Bay South - 27,168 - +3.7%
3. Paradise - 22,957 - +7.3%
4. Mount Pearl - 22,477 - -2.8%
5. Corner Brook - 19,333 - -2.4%
6. Grand Falls - Windsor - 13,853 - -2.2%
7. Gander - 11,880 - +1.6%
8. Portugal Cove - St. Philips - 8,415 - +3.3%
9. Happy Valley - Goose Bay - 8,040 - -0.9%
10. Torbay - 7,852 - -0.6%


Newfoundland and Labrador's 10 Largest Growing Citites/Towns

CITY/TOWN - Population (2021) - Change from 2016

1. Terra Nova - 99 - +35.6%
2. Colinet - 103 - +28.8%
3. St. Bride's - 318 - +26.2%
4. L'Anse au Loup - 692 - +24.0%
5. Gillams - 506 - +23.4%
6. Duntara - 36 - +20.0%
7. Salmon Cove - 764 - +12.4%
8. Point May - 254 - +10.0%
9. Mount Carmel - 382 - +9.5%
10. Reidville - 550 - +8.1%
10. York Harbour - 372 - +8.1%


Newfoundland and Labrador's 10 Largest Shrinking Citites/Towns

CITY/TOWN - Population (2021) - Change from 2016

1. Little Bay Islands - 0 - -100%
2. Port Anson - 42 - -67.7%
3. Seal Cove - 100 - -58.7%
4. Trinity - 76 - -55.0%
5. Portugal Cove South - 86 - -42.7%
6. Happy Adventure - 118 - -41.0%
7. Meadows - 404 - -35.5%
8. Little Bay East - 84 - -33.9%
9. Port au Port East - 413 - -28.7%
10. Admirals Beach - 97 - -28.1%
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Did the last person to leave Little Bay Islands remember to lock the door on the way out of town?????
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One of the interesting things to note is that the three fastest growing areas in New Brunswick are in fact rural towns, with 6 out of the top 10 being in non-CMA areas. Saint Andrews and Sackville lead the pack with both towns have double the growth of Fredericton (City).
I think that Sackville (NB), Wolfville, and Antigonish can attribute their strong growth to their universities. Saint Andrew's might just be as simple as its charm.

I forgot to mention that even though Windsor has lost it's town status it is still a strong growing area. Windsor Population Centre saw 5.1% growth to 5'514.

The Valley hub is an interesting area. Kentville CA plus Wolfville is about 32'000 and growing strong. I think it's time for the province to force town status onto New Minas/Greenwich and strengthen services in the area like King's Transit.

Nova Scotia Counties;

Halifax - 440'072 (+9.1%)
Cape Breton - 98'318 (-0.4%)
Kings - 62'914 (+3.8%)
Colchester - 51'476 (+1.8%)
Lunenburg - 48'599 (+3.1%)
Hants - 45'140 (+6.1%)
Pictou - 43'657 (-0.2%)
Cumberland - 30'538 (+1.8%)
Yarmouth - 24'947 (+2.2%)
Annapolis - 21'252 (+3.2%)
Antigonish - 20'129 (+4.3%)
Inverness - 17'346 (+0.6%)
Digby - 17'062 (-1.5%)
Shelburne - 13'704 (-1.9%)
Queens - 10'501 (+1.4%)
Richmond - 8'914 (-0.6%)
Victoria - 7'541 (+5.0%)
Guysborough - 7'373 (-3.3%)

Note that since 2016 Hants > Pictou, Inverness > Digby, and Victoria > Guysborough. Hants could overtake Lunenburg in the next decade.

Guysborough seems to be going off a cliff. It is the fastest shrinking county with the fastest shrinking town (Mulgrave), and fastest shrinking district (St. Mary's).
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Did the last person to leave Little Bay Islands remember to lock the door on the way out of town?????
I presume the Parsons did indeed do that.

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The growth of Victoria County is interesting. I presume that it's because of Baddeck.

Baddeck is a unique summer vacation town with a lot of charm and a quaint waterfront district. In many ways it is the NS version of St. Andrew's in NB, which is also growing rapidly.

Both communities could be magnets for retirees.
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Someone commented a while back about the paucity of townhouse construction in New Brunswick and I've been trying to figure out why. I spoke with some City staff in Saint John and they said they're lucky to see a dozen units-worth of townhouse proposals in a given year. Maybe it's just an artifact of decades of cheap living, like, why not just get a freestanding home and a quarter acre?
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May as well provide New Brunswick counties, for what they're worth

Westmorland 163,576 (+9.3%)
York 105,261 (+5.8%)
Gloucester 78,256 (-0.2%)
Saint John 76,558 (+3.4%)
Kings 71,184 (+3.3%)
Northumberland 45,005 (+0.1%)
Madawaska 32,603 (-0.4%)
Kent 32,169 (+5.6%)
Albert 30,748 (+5.5%)
Restigouche 30,700 (-0.8%)
Sunbury 27,864 (+0.8%)
Carleton 26,360 (+0.7%)
Charlotte 26,015 (+2.3%)
Victoria 18,312 (-1.6%)
Queens 10,998 (+5.0%)

Westmorland running away at the top - now solidly representing one-in-five people in NB, and quickly approaching one-in-four. Saint John poised to pass Gloucester in 2026. Kent and Albert both leapfrog Restigouche.

Very obvious north/south divide in growth v decline. Even areas which used to reliably decline in the South are now seeing population gains. Queens is probably the most intriguing, especially the Gagetown/Cambridge Narrows area. Surely some of this is proximity to Fredericton and Oromocto. Lots of densifying and centralization within the province as a whole.

One thing I always try to keep in mind is neighbouring Census Divisions in neighbour provinces, and how their growth/decline rates compare.

Cumberland, NS 30,538 (+1.8%)
Temiscouata, QC 19,492 (-0.4%)
Bonaventure, QC 17,557 (-0.6%)
Avignon, QC 13,415 (-7.2%)
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Newfoundland and Labrador's Largest Cities & Towns

CITY/TOWN - Population (2021) - Change from 2016

1. St. John's - 110,525 - +1.5%
2. Conception Bay South - 27,168 - +3.7%
3. Paradise - 22,957 - +7.3%
4. Mount Pearl - 22,477 - -2.8%
5. Corner Brook - 19,333 - -2.4%
6. Grand Falls - Windsor - 13,853 - -2.2%
7. Gander - 11,880 - +1.6%
8. Portugal Cove - St. Philips - 8,415 - +3.3%
9. Happy Valley - Goose Bay - 8,040 - -0.9%
10. Torbay - 7,852 - -0.6%


Newfoundland and Labrador's 10 Largest Growing Citites/Towns

CITY/TOWN - Population (2021) - Change from 2016

1. Terra Nova - 99 - +35.6%
2. Colinet - 103 - +28.8%
3. St. Bride's - 318 - +26.2%
4. L'Anse au Loup - 692 - +24.0%
5. Gillams - 506 - +23.4%
6. Duntara - 36 - +20.0%
7. Salmon Cove - 764 - +12.4%
8. Point May - 254 - +10.0%
9. Mount Carmel - 382 - +9.5%
10. Reidville - 550 - +8.1%
10. York Harbour - 372 - +8.1%


Newfoundland and Labrador's 10 Largest Shrinking Citites/Towns

CITY/TOWN - Population (2021) - Change from 2016

1. Little Bay Islands - 0 - -100%
2. Port Anson - 42 - -67.7%
3. Seal Cove - 100 - -58.7%
4. Trinity - 76 - -55.0%
5. Portugal Cove South - 86 - -42.7%
6. Happy Adventure - 118 - -41.0%
7. Meadows - 404 - -35.5%
8. Little Bay East - 84 - -33.9%
9. Port au Port East - 413 - -28.7%
10. Admirals Beach - 97 - -28.1%
What about the couple on Little Bay Islands?

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What about the couple on Little Bay Islands?
If they're still there? Probably a rounding error. Usually numbers below a certain threshold aren't considered reliable, and rounding to 5 or 10, or in this case 0, usually happens.
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I think they're still there. Whether they filled out the census, received the census, or if it's a rounding error I'm not sure.
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The growth of Victoria County is interesting. I presume that it's because of Baddeck.

Baddeck is a unique summer vacation town with a lot of charm and a quaint waterfront district. In many ways it is the NS version of St. Andrew's in NB, which is also growing rapidly.

Both communities could be magnets for retirees.
Interestingly, Victoria County experience growth in all subdivisions (Baddeck isn't a population center nor a CSD in the census, but is in subdivision B). Wagmatcook Reserve led the way with +28.7% (not surprisingly), then subdivision A (North River, through Ingonish and the highlands to the northern tip) at +4.1%, then subdivision B (Baddeck, the Victoria side of Boularderie Island, Iona, Little Narrows, and St. Ann's Bay) at +2.3%. Looking at the Designated Places list, Baddeck was -1.0% within village limits (the village has recently considered dissolving, and was once an "Urban Area", but shrank below the criteria similar to Louisbourg).

I'd be really interested to see where the growth happened in Richmond Subdivision B (+6.5%)...out of the three subdivisions in Richmond County, this is not really where I would have expected growth. A and C had -0.9% and -0.4% respectively. It would be interesting to see if it was the areas on the edge of CBRM (presumably commuting to the large urban areas), or close to St. Peters (which could mean St. Peters has itself become a growth catalyst), or if it's just people fully enjoying the rural lifestyle and taking advantage of working from home. We had a summer house in this area growing up, so I know this particular part of Richmond County well, which really has me curious. I would've expected Isle Madame (C) before this area, to be honest.
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CBC NB posted this easy on the eyes chart couple of days ago.

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Canada's real time population clock shows NB's population at 797, 145. It is chugging towards 800,000. For reference, in MY grade 5 Social studies class in 1975 in Moncton, Mrs. Steeves said NB's population was between 725,000 and 730,000.
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Canada's real time population clock shows NB's population at 797, 145. It is chugging towards 800,000. For reference, in MY grade 5 Social studies class in 1975 in Moncton, Mrs. Steeves said NB's population was between 725,000 and 730,000.
The Census had NB's population around ~675,000 for that year.

That said, yes, from the 90s to the 10s NB's population basically stalled for a number of reasons, a few of which having since been resolved.
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The Census had NB's population around ~675,000 for that year.

That said, yes, from the 90s to the 10s NB's population basically stalled for a number of reasons, a few of which having since been resolved.
thank you for the accurate correction, mu point was NB has not grown this qickly in a long time. IO still remember the number my teacher gave us was much higher than the actual census
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