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[ethereal_reality]

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Excellent color adjustment, santamonicadesign....


Martin Pal, by any chance, does the center headlight on your model swivel?

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

There's a picture of me with it somewhere.

Yes, by all means, let's see that photograph.

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[ethereal_reality]

re: Criss Cross (1949)

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido

The house on top nearly center (higher roof on the photograph) was still there in 1949. We see it in Criss Cross when Yvonne De Carlo parks her convertible car in front of it.

For NLA newcomers, here's the house AlvaroLegido is talking about.


silentlocations

nadeau, you'll definitely want to see John Bingston's blog, silentlocations

And here it is again in the older photograph.


Nadeau's photograph HERE

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[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Excellent color adjustment, santamonicadesign....


Martin Pal, by any chance, does the center headlight on your model swivel?

Yes, by all means, let's see that photograph.

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This is the one I have. The middle headlight doesn't move but all 4 doors open revealing the leather interior seats. The steering wheel moves the front wheels. Both the front and back lids open. The engine is in the back if you recall. In the front (trunk) is a spare tire and some suitcases.

Finding that photo may be problematic, but you never know!

P.S.: Happy Thanksgiving everyone! In all the years I've been in Los Angeles, I cannot recall a rainy Thanksgiving! It is today. It's usually quite warm and dry. (I'm not complaining!)

[ethereal_reality]

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A 'mystery' bar. Found at liveauctioneers


"Bar with actors in Hollywood CA."


liveauctioneers

I love everything about this photograph. It's like a bohemian time capsule.

The cluster of people in the corner are havin' a good ol' time. lol......Actually, everyone in the place is having a good time!

note the very cool arcade game. (I want it)



A sparse description is written on the reverse.



If only the name of the bar had been included.





But there are some clues:

If you look closely at the mantel behind the bar you can see rustic looking mule carts laden with bottles of beer. (there's a stagecoach too)


detail

I'm guessing the guy on the far right is a writer.







And there are more mule carts on the left side of the bar. (#4 is actually the stagecoach)


detail

Because of the sheer number of carts, I thought the beer might have been served in the carts on special nights. (but I don't see a place for ice in the carts to keep the beer cold)..There goes my theory.


OK; so far, we know the bar has a Western Motif. (the lighting fixtures are westernish too)
And since the bar's clientele is (are) actors, I'd wager a guess that the bar was located near a movie studio.

So it's up to you my fellow noirishers. . . . get workin'.


Oh, and one more thing. . .H A P P Y..... T H A N K S G I V I N G !



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[nadeau]

Thanks! I have had Silent Echoes since it first came out. Always on the lookout for stuff from Edendale era since I live on Duane Street. Have a great Thanksgiving!

[Lwize]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Oh, and one more thing. . .H A P P Y..... T H A N K S G I V I N G !

This.

[Scott Charles]

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow Noirishers!

I hope this is not too off-topic, but it's a forgotten bit of Los Angeles/Thanksgiving tradition that I've never before heard of. Anyone here heard of “Ragamuffin Day” before?

Thanksgiving in turn-of-the-20th century America used to look a heckuva lot like Halloween.

People — young and old — got all dressed up and staged costumed crawls through the streets. In Los Angeles, Chicago and other places around the country, newspapers ran stories of folks wearing elaborate masks and cloth veils.

In fact, so many people participated in masking and making merry back then that, according to a widely distributed item that appeared in the Los Angeles Times of Nov. 21, 1897, Thanksgiving was "the busiest time of the year for the manufacturers of and dealers in masks and false faces. The fantastical costume parades and the old custom of making and dressing up for amusement on Thanksgiving day keep up from year to year in many parts of the country, so that the quantity of false faces sold at this season is enormous."

https://www.npr.org/sections/theprot...ving-was-weird

On Ragamuffin Day the children would go out on the streets and ask, “Anything for Thanksgiving?” They would be rewarded with candies, fruits or even pennies.

Not reciprocating may have resulted in a child blowing a horn in your ear or hitting you with a flour-filled sack.

Over time, the tradition would expand as the children dressed up as more than just hobos and vagrants. Some would wear face paint, others would put on masks. The tradition, beginning in 1870, actually preceded Halloween’s trick or treating.

By the 1930s, there were calls from articles that stated the holiday needed to end.

Why would public sentiment turn so quickly against Ragamuffin Day? Simply put, by the arrival of the Great Depression in 1929, which cast a sour mood on the country.

With many struggling to find work, and some genuinely reduced to begging in order to survive, the jovial activities of dressing up as a poor person and begging for treats was no longer a novelty. It was instead a harsh mockery of what the times had become.

According to various articles I read, Ragamuffin Day quickly died out, and by the 1950s was essentially extinct.

These photos are from the Library of Congress website. Unfortunately, they do not list where the photos were taken. There are 9 of them in total, if you'd like to see the rest of them.



7 of the 9 photos seem to have been taken at the same dirt-road location. Anyone want to wager a guess at where the photos were shot?

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

I hope this is not too off-topic, but it's a forgotten bit of Los Angeles/Thanksgiving tradition that I've never before heard of. Anyone here heard of “Ragamuffin Day” before?

Scott,

It's a New York thing, actually, according to this interesting and thorough discussion of the matter. By a great coincidence, I was just reading about this yesterday.

[Noir_Noir]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Let's take a closer look at Aunt Dorothy and the Tucker.

Does anyone recognize the neighborhood?.......

detail

The only address I could find for the Haskells who owned the Tucker.



rescarta.lapl.org


Here's the house nowadays. Adjoining it is a little dead end fragment of Louisiana Ave.


GSV





Popping around the side of the house into that dead end, I spy this.





Eureka! .... the Tucker was parked at the side of the house and we're looking across Olympic Blvd. in the original picture. Those poles match up and the streetlight looks right.


Quickly hits snag though because I can't match the buildings in the picture with what's there today.


I'm thinking the right general vicinity/neighborhood but not the exact location.

[Lwize]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Quickly hits snag though because I can't match the buildings in the picture with what's there today.


I'm thinking the right general vicinity/neighborhood but not the exact location.

I live a few blocks from there.

The neighborhood and location are correct for the Tucker.

The light poles also line up.

The one story house in the background (across Olympic) was replaced with a McMansion years ago, as have many of the single story Janss Development homes in the area. The land far exceeds the home values, and they just get torn down and replaced these days.

[Arch2000]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

My dad, who went to USC in the early '50s, told me long ago that a very old hunchback lives in the peristyle and is the keeper of the torch. He has been up there since the '32 games according to pop.

Maybe your dad watched that pretty campy 1980's movie 'Big Man on Campus', about just that- a hunchback living on USC's campus!

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Arch2000

Maybe your dad watched that pretty campy 1980's movie 'Big Man on Campus', about just that- a hunchback living on USC's campus!

youtube

[Earl Boebert]

The script is on line, if you wish to study this masterpiece :-)

https://web.archive.org/web/20120915.../Hunchback.pdf

Cheers,

Earl

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

I think you found the spot, Noir Noir! ....


I'm still a bit confused by this. . .
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"The earliest known history on the turquoise Tucker, was when it appeared on a car lot in March of 1959, just five miles from my aunt & uncle's home.
Mr. Schutta further states that it was almost certainly sold new by Southwest Tucker, located at 2021 Wellington Road, which was five to six miles from the Haskell's home."....
Carl J.
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But 2021 Wellington Road is located in the middle of a residential area.


GSV...note the street number on the step.

I highly doubt that this is the correct address of the Southwest Tucker Automobile Dealership.




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[FredH]

Here is Lucas' Tucker:


vanderbiltcupraces.com


They also had this photo:


vanderbiltcupraces.com

Looks like a darker green in the second photo, but they are both Tucker-1009

[ethereal_reality]

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Earlier in the thread HossC discovered that the Sable Arms apartments were built by the Zobelein family on the former site of George Zobelein's estate.
But we've never seen a vintage photograph of the Sable Arms. . .

. . .that is, until now!


ebay


Here's the portion of HossC's post that discusses the Sable Arms.

Originally Posted by HossC

"The German word for sable is 'zobel' - thus the sable incorporated into the coat of arms. This also explains the name given to the apartments owned by the Zobelein family in Los Angeles (on the site of George Zobelein's estate) - the 'Sable Arms'. Above the doorway on the building is a replica of the coat of arms."

This is the building currently on the site, which appears to be the same one that's in all the old aerial images. The Sable Arms Apartments at 3762 S Flower first appear in the City Directories in 1939, and are still there in 1987 (the last one currently available at LAPL).


GSV

Here's the family coat of arms. On the right is the only thing on the building which looked like a coat of arms that I could see from the Googlemobile.


zobelein.com/GSV

HossC's complete post includes a photograph of George Zobelein's home (pre-Sable Arms) and some very helpful maps.... HERE.

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[ethereal_reality]

oops. I forgot to show you the back!




POSTED...11:00 A.M....April 1st, 1941.......................................................

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[ethereal_reality]

Doesn anyone know German Swedish?


Here we have a group of Swedish (or German) men with their catch of fish.


eBay

Can anyone tell if the fish are fresh or salt water fish? ...(I can't help but notice how small they are)


I hoped that the fishing spot would be mentioned on the reverse. . .but if I'm not mistaken, a good part of it appears to be cooking instructions.


eBay

POSTED....Los Angeles...10:30 P.M....Oct. 21, 1920.

RETURN ADDRESS....736 Garland Ave., Los Angeles Calif.
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[FredH]

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8763296]Doesn anyone know German Swedish?


Here we have a group of Swedish (or German) men with their catch of fish.


eBay

Can anyone tell if the fish are fresh or salt water fish? ...(I can't help but notice how small they are)




Ha! If they are going ocean fishing, that must be the bait they are carrying.

[Beaudry]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I think you found the spot, Noir Noir! ....


I'm still a bit confused by this. . .
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"The earliest known history on the turquoise Tucker, was when it appeared on a car lot in March of 1959, just five miles from my aunt & uncle's home.
Mr. Schutta further states that it was almost certainly sold new by Southwest Tucker, located at 2021 Wellington Road, which was five to six miles from the Haskell's home."....
Carl J.
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But 2021 Wellington Road is located in the middle of a residential area.


GSV...note the street number on the step.

I highly doubt that this is the correct address of the Southwest Tucker Automobile Dealership.




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Can't find anything about Southwest Tucker, but apparently these were two forthcoming dealerships in April of '47:



And this one being built in Leimert Park in February of '48:



Tucker sightings in August '48:



Here's an ad from October '48:



By October of '48, though, the end was near and Preston Tucker was on his way to indictment and trial. I think it's quite possible that the Tucker that went to Murphy Motors was the only Tucker (that is, a Tucker 48 and not a pilot car/proto) to come to Los Angeles. With just fifty made, and having been built in Chicago, I don't think there was a whole lot to go around to justify a dealership before the car was, in fact, properly launched. I believe the story about Haskell buying "the first Tucker that came in" (which is repeated here and other places) but I straight up reject the concept of "Southwest Tucker" even though it came from "Mr. Mike Schutta, Automotive Historian, Secretary of the Tucker Automobile Club" who should certainly know more about the subject than I would.