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Old Posted Jul 20, 2015, 2:38 AM
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Driving Toronto to Winnipeg

Hi guys, for the first time in 16 years I'll be driving from Toronto to Winnipeg to show the in-laws Northern Ontario and my hometown. We'll be staying in Sault Ste. Marie (likely at the Delta) and Thunder Bay. I would appreciate any tips for things to see and do along the way.

I know most of the obvious stops from drives past (the Wawa goose, Winnie the Pooh in White River, etc.) but I would appreciate local tips of other things to see and do. e.g. Is there a place to get a good view of Pic Island? Is the best view of Thunder Bay from Mt. McKay? Where exactly did Terry Fox stop along the highway?

Further complicating things, the in-laws are seniors originally from Italy and Dave Junior is still finicky and just beginning to drop the "kids menu". Any restaurant suggestions for lunch and supper along the way?

I know the highways near Toronto and Winnipeg, but I am definitely no expert in Northern Ontario and would appreciate any help.
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Hillcrest Park in Thunder Bay's north end has a good view too, so I'd visit that and Mount McKay
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There is a really excellent monument to Terry Fox just east of Thunder Bay on Highway 11/17. The monument is fitting tribute to the man and his legacy, and is definitely worth the stop.
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Do not take the by-pass around Kenora. It's not actually any faster than going straight through. The Cornerstone restaurant in Kenora is probably one of the best places I've eaten at between Thunder Bay and Winnipeg. If you are looking for more of a greasy-spoon cafe experience then the East End Cafe in Kenora is good as well.

There's not much in Dryden to see. As my kids say: "The best part about Dryden is leaving Dryden."

The travel centre on the west-side of Ignace is pretty nice - Good for bathroom breaks, green space to stretch one's legs. Just be careful because it keeps some limited hours at times.

I drive that stretch about 4-5 times a year. I much prefer the southern highway (Highway 11) through Fort Francis and the US but there's even less to see. Fort Francis is ugly IMHO. Atikokan is nice but easy to ignore since it's off the highway. The saving grace is International Falls and cheaper gas.

On the east side of Thunder Bay you'll be able to see the construction of the new cable-stayed bridge over the river at Nipigon. They should have started to install the cables on the bridge by now. It's been a long time since I was east of Nipigon though.
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Thanks for the feedback. Anything further re: Sault Ste. Marie through Thunder Bay?
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For Sault Ste. Marie, the best areas are the waterfront trail, Sault Canal National historic site, and Hiawatha Park. If you walk to Whitefish Island across the canal you can get the best view of the rapids of the St. Mary's. Hiawatha Park is home to the biggest waterfalls in the area (Crystal Falls and Minnehaha Falls), which are a short walk from the parking lot there.

Going North Lake Superior Provincial Park is a great place to stop. Harmony Beach which is not park of the park (located 30 minutes north of the Sault) is great for swimming and so is Batchawana Provincial park just north of there. Chippewa Falls between Harmony and Batchawana is a good place to stop, though the falls are really most impressive in the spring. In the Park the Agawa Pictographs are a good place for a hike. Katherine's Cove is another good place for swimming. Sand River is the big waterfall inside the park that can been seen from the highway. Between Sand River and Katherine's Cove there is a small trail that leads to Bathtub Island that is a short walk through the water to get to. It has a pool of water in the middle of it that is warmer than Superior. The water in the tub is collected from the waves crashing into the island. On one side of the island the is a drop-off that goes 30 feet down and you can see all the way to the bottom because the water is very clear here. The last good spot in the park is Old Woman's Bay which is a great place to take pictures of the cliffs.

North of the some good places to stop are the Town of Marathon which has some good views of Superior from there. Terrace Bay has a nice beach and is a great place to take pictures of Superior. Also in Terrace Bay is Aguasabon Gorge which is another scenic area and not much walking there.
Some of the town's along the way are pretty nice as well.

Google maps and sateilite would help if you have trouble finding some places. The drive around Superior is great and there is lots of scenic places the whole way.
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Thanks. Any dining suggestions for Sault Ste. Marie?

Has anyone tried Red Lion Smokehouse in Thunder Bay? (suggestion from a friend of a friend)
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Thanks. Any dining suggestions for Sault Ste. Marie?

Has anyone tried Red Lion Smokehouse in Thunder Bay? (suggestion from a friend of a friend)
Saw it last week while I visiting family. Many of my friends recommended it as well. I'm going to visit again in January and am already making dinner plans.

There might be some delays between Nipigon and Dorion. The highway construction there is in full swing... I got caught there more than once commuting from my in-laws.
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Thanks. Any dining suggestions for Sault Ste. Marie?

Has anyone tried Red Lion Smokehouse in Thunder Bay? (suggestion from a friend of a friend)
Anything on Great Northern Road for restaurants is good or Muio's downtown at the corner of Queen and East. We have a big Italian population and there's lots of good Italian food here such as Giovanni's, Fratelli's , or Gino's (all on Great Northern Road).

Some good Chinese places are the Golden Dragon on Northern Avenue or the Hong Kong on Trunk Road.
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there is a shitty motel in Schreiber (or was it Terrace Bay?) that I was stranded at for 3 days once.
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I've made the drive from southern Ontario to Winnipeg and back twice. Too bad you can't go the American way, it's much nicer and there are lots of places to stay and things to see. If you can do that route on the way back, I'd recommend it.
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Thanks for all of the advice guys, the trip was quite memorable. Like I said, I haven't driven this route since 1999 so some things have changed. Good to see more progress on 400/69. Another stretch south of Sudbury looked almost ready to open to four lane traffic. Good progress at Nipigon River as well, you can watch the action here:

http://www.enl-tbay.com/NipigonBridge/Home-Cam.html

While of course Manitoba wins hands-down in percentage of highway with four lanes, at the moment the average pavement condition is better in Ontario. However, this may soon change as there is a huge amount of re-paving going on in Manitoba. We'll see if this alleviates the anger over the PST increase. One oddity; Google Maps appears to show the James Street Bridge in Thunder Bay open to traffic, but in real life it appears long-closed. No worry on my end since part of the detour around it took us by the Bombardier plant and we saw one of the TTC's long-overdue streetcars.

As far as attractions go, while I admired the view once again from the Terry Fox Lookout and Mt. McKay, we agreed that the best view of the Sleeping Giant was actually from Hillcrest Park, a place I had never been. I can't recall if it was there before, but there is a faux lighthouse viewing tower in Terrace Bay that gets you high enough to see over the highway out to the lake. There were many natural lookouts around Superior, although Old Woman Bay was obscured by fog. We also checked out a number of other attractions (e.g. Amethyst Mine Panorama), however the Wawa Goose and the Winnie the Pooh Statue in White River could use some fixing up.

As far as restaurants go, Muio's in the Sault was a good choice. While I had never heard of "broasted" chicken before, everyone was able to get something that they liked. I didn't realize that they closed at 8:00 though. However, the waitress was very gracious in having us stay a little later. On the way back we decided on room service at the Delta which was good. In Thunder Bay, Red Lion was packed. While they had run out of several things, we made do with large burgers, beef ribs, their own ice cream and beer tasting from an impressive list. On the way back we were too late to get in to some places with my son so we checked out Caribou. While we were under-dressed from travelling, the staff did not bat an eye and we had good pizza and some Malbec tasting.

As for hotels, the Best Western Crossroads in Thunder Bay is fine for what it is - a nice newish third floor built on top of an old walkout motel. They may be renovating soon though. The Townplace Suites by Marriott was meh. The rooms were small and oddly designed and the breakfast was not that great. Despite this, it was full or close to it for almost any date I checked. I have a hunch the under construction Hampton Inn will do well once it opens. We stayed at the Delta in Sault Ste. Marie both ways. After some problems with our reservations on the way west, a very friendly and proactive management team more than made up for it on the way back. I highly recommend staying at the Delta, especially in one of the rooms with a full water view of the ships going through the locks. We even lucked into the Steelworkers putting on a fireworks show on the river right in front of us. A very memorable last night of the trip in a well-located, nice hotel. One thing I was curious about though. In walking to and from the nearby casino, there were groups of young people congregating in the south Station Mall parking lot. They didn't seem to be there to watch the "submarine races" and no one approached me so I was a bit puzzled.

Finally, the welcome areas between the two provinces are night and day. Arriving in Manitoba there is a nice tourism place with friendly bilingual staff, lots of brochures, clean washrooms with flush toilets, coffee, a water cooler, etc. Deciding to see what was on the Ontario side on the way back was a mistake. After pulling in, found the tourism part of the building abandoned with a sign directing you to go to Kenora. Bizarrely, the washrooms are still open but not well maintained with feces in the urinals, feces in the sinks, on the walls, etc. The pit toilets outside were not much better. After everyone got back in the vehicle I said "Welcome to Ontario!" and even the Ontarians laughed.
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Glad you had a good time.
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The James Street Swingbridge caught fire in October 2013, and has been closed to vehicles ever since but is open to trains (since that part of the bridge is steel) and pedestrians (since they're light enough to walk across the cantilevered road deck).

Terrace Bay built the lighthouse thing about 3 or 4 years ago, so it's pretty new. Ontario privatized the operations of its tourism centres and a bunch shut down about 5 or 6 years ago, I'm actually surprised the washrooms were open. They probably don't have running water.

Townplace Suites by Marriott's main market here is business people in the city for a period of time, so I wouldn't expect them to serve the needs of a travelling family very well.
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Interesting re: the James Street Bridge. Any resolution in sight re: the court battle?

I don't believe there was running water at the former welcome centre, but did not get close enough to test. Ontario would do well to simply demolish it.

Actually, extended stay hotels can work out very well for families just staying for a night. We've spent numerous nights in various properties and have never had a problem with the format. Usually you can get a room with a separate bedroom, there's a real fridge, the ability to cook food if desired, breakfast each day and during the week food in the evening. Combined with a pool and a workout room, there is a lot for a family on the road to like if you can get a good rate.

While not part of the advice I was seeking, we actually stayed the first night going west in Sudbury, as I wanted the in-laws to see Science North and the Big Nickel/Dynamic Earth. I normally stay at the Homewood Suites (Hilton's main extended stay flag) in Sudbury and was worried when they were booked solid and the Hampton Inn next door had big warning signs on their reservations page noting renovations were in progress. Turns out the Hampton was fine. If only the same could be said of the new Shoeless Joe's in the parking lot....
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One thing I was curious about though. In walking to and from the nearby casino, there were groups of young people congregating in the south Station Mall parking lot. They didn't seem to be there to watch the "submarine races" and no one approached me so I was a bit puzzled.
I think I can answer that as I frequently visit the Sault and most of my family is there. There is a Cineplex Galaxy Cinemas located in the South side of the Station Mall. A lot of younger people hang out around it. Many go for the video games, food, etc. more than the movies themselves. It has better evening snacks than the mall food court. It is open later than the stores and food court in the mall. If the weather is nice then the younger people tend to go outside to socialize.

At least that's what I've seen when I've been there.
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I think that's correct - just socializing. However, it did seem a little odd to be socializing there given there was a mayfly (?) infestation going on from the adjacent river, especially on the trip west earlier in August.

One funny thing actually came up at the casino. I was having a beverage at the bar when a young couple beside me asked the bartender why there were needle disposal boxes in each washroom at the casino and several places around town. The bartender noted there were a lot of seniors in town (and at the casino) who were on syringe-based medication. The couple laughed and said they had wondered if there was a massive heroin crisis going on!
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Thunder Bay distributes over 600,000 needles per year through a needle distribution programme. We've got disposal boxes all over the inner city, there is one a block or two away from me. It's not uncommon to find them discarded on the ground but they're becoming less common, we've seen a 95% decline in my neighbourhood over the past two years. The rates of infection and costs of treatment in this district are down significantly, though. Toronto distributes significantly less per capita but I can't recall the number.

There is no progress regarding the James Street Bridge, the court proceedings haven't begun yet as far as I know. Last winter they put a fence along the middle of the lanes to prevent vehicles from crossing it.
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