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Old Posted Dec 31, 2008, 12:36 AM
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Oh man, I love Depot Town! I used to live there!

Cafe Luwak is awesome.

Now nobody from Depot Town will have to be forced to trudge all the way over to the Pearl Street transit center.
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Another move forward for comprehensive regional mass transit:

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Metro transit authority plan expected by April

BY JOHN GALLAGHER • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER • January 29, 2009

Metro Detroit transit czar John Hertel hopes to propose a regional transportation authority structure by April and win approval for it from regional leaders and state legislators soon after that.

Once approved, the regional transit authority would build and operate a transit system for metro Detroit.

But the authority's first job would be to sell tri-county voters on the need for a new transit tax to pay for the proposed 400-mile, $10.5-billion transit system.

"The sooner we can do this, the better," Hertel said Tuesday night at the annual meeting of the group Transportation Riders United.

TRU is a nonprofit citizens organization that advocates for creation of mass transit in metro Detroit.

State lawmakers recently passed legislation allowing the creation of a regional transit authority to create a new mass-transit system for metro Detroit. Now it's up to Hertel, the civic leader chosen by leaders in Detroit and Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties, to propose a structure for the governing authority.

One natural way to create a regional authority is to pick one board member each for Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties plus Detroit.

But Hertel said he was examining regional transit authorities from other cities to see if other models offered better ways.

Speaking of the need for a new tax to help pay for the plan, Hertel stressed the long-term economic benefits of a new transit system for the city.

"If you're going to have a mass transit that serves the three counties and Detroit that is a unified system and a modern system, yeah, you're going to have to have some way to raise local funds. There's no doubt about it," he said. "Mass transit is expensive, but it's a lot more expensive not to do it."

Asked for a prediction of whether Detroit would actually get a mass-transit system soon, Hertel said, "I now believe that the chances have passed 50-50, but I'm not telling you it's a sure thing."

Contact JOHN GALLAGHER at 313-222-5173 or gallagher@freepress.com.
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It's nice to see that the heart of auto-oriented America finally embrace proper mass transit... Too bad the LRT will only be a short 8-mile one-line starter system, but I see that 5 other corridors have already been selected as future lines as well... Ideally I'd love to see a 5 or 6-line LRT network extending out 8-10 miles from the city centre. That would do wonders for reviving the old lady! Btw, I'm kind of curious to know about house prices/rental prices for downtown Detroit... If I could get a permit to work in the U.S. I'd seriously consider moving to D-town...
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neat to watch this unfold
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2009, 4:52 AM
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Let's just hope you're wrong about #1.

As for #2, the Woodward Line will replace the current DDOT bus route (I believe it's their busiest line), and they've projected a growth for the line (22,200 a day by the time this opens), a little low to start, but enough, obviously, to justify a line in their eyes. Like any light rail line, a lot of this is about creating demand. If Baltimore can get away with a 20 mile lightrail line that only runs 32,100 people a day, and Cleveland gets away with an 18 mile line that carries just over 12,000 a day, Detroit can definitely start out with an 8 miles line that carries 22,200 a day. And, that's just within the city of Detroit. You take it north of 8 Mile, and you get into a whole other ball game.

As for the "airport line" it's an Ann Arbor to Detroit line that happens to make use of the airport stop. They are counting on more than just air traffic to make the line work. It's also starting off with just a few commuter trains. Read the actual articles above.
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Huh? You just contradicted yourself. They are using existing transit infrastructure. This is incorporating the existing Birmingham station. How else would you propose doing this outside of creating an entire new line that have to tear out all kinds of property and thus make this totally unfeasible? Is there nothing that you don't complain about? Really, I wasn't going to say anything, but this is getting tiring.
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LMich, the existing transit infrastructure on the proposed site is two trains a day. That isn't public transit.

The existing transit infrastructure on Woodward is a bus every few minutes. That's the best transit in Michigan.

And then that isn't even comparing walkable Bham to autocentric Troy.
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2009, 7:48 AM
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What is your solution, then? That's what I'm asking.

BTW, do you happen to know where Birmingham's Amtrak station is? Look at a Google area and see where this is in Troy. You're acting as if this is on Big Beaver. This is literally between Birmingham and Troy and is actually walkable from downtown Birmingham, a straight shot down Maple, though, I will concede it's a bit far.
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I don't know about all of that, but of all of the moving parts of this metro, at least transit is getting moving in the right direction, again.
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Good news indeed. It looks like this is a good time to invest in property between DT and New Center.
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Any new word on all this M1 Rail stuff?
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Nope. They are a clandestine clique of businessmen; that's for sure. No website, no public input; nothing. And, apparently, they aren't exactly working well with DDOT in trying to tie the two plans, together, despite what both of them say. We probably won't know the details of the plan until they take a backhoe to Woodward in the middle of the night. lol

As for the DDOT light rail proposal, a meeting was held a few days ago (the 21st, or so) to update the public and they are currently in the required environmental impact study phase of the whole thing. It's still moving forward on schedule.
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Well, it appears a deal has been struck. Essentially, DDOT has ceded their plans south of New Center over to M1-Rail:

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Deal with city gives Detroit’s light-rail backers green light

By Bill Shea / Crain's Detroit Business

May. 21, 2009

Backers of a privately-funded $125 million light-rail line on Detroit’s Woodward Avenue have reached an accord with the city’s transportation department to move ahead with their version of the project.

The Detroit Department of Transportation’s proposed $371 million “Detroit Transit Options for Growth” included different types of trains and a center-of-street layout for Woodward, putting the two projects initially at loggerheads.

Now, the private plan, known as the M1 Rail, is likely to develop its 3.4 mile curb-side system as planned, and have it connect into the DTOG system north of the New Center Area — or whatever public train system that comes to fruition.

“This is in no way competition,” said M1 Rail CEO Matt Cullen said, adding that he’s been in talks with Norman White, the city’s CFO who was previously the MDOT director, a position that remains vacant.

Messages were left for White and for DDOT assistant director Lovevett Williams.

North of the M1 Rail’s terminus at the New Center area, the line is expected to converge into a higher speed center-of-street system that moves at a faster commuter rate with fewer stops, Cullen said.

That would match DDOT’s original plan, which proposes a line extending to the State Fairgrounds at Eight Mile Road.

Since the closely guarded M1 Rail project first came to light in Crain’s last year, it was obvious the two projects would have to reconcile because the DTOG plan included the same portion of Woodward.

However, the city’s plan relies on federal funding that hasn’t been applied for because Detroit doesn’t have the required matching money — leading to speculation about the project’s viability.

The nonprofit M1-Rail, which got needed legislative approvals and state operational funding mechanisms put in place in January, includes money from private backers, foundations and corporations, and will run a 12-stop route from Hart Plaza to Grand Boulevard in New Center, running past major business, cultural, medical, educational and sporting destinations.Its financial and organizational backers include Penske Corp. founder Roger Penske Peter, who is chairman of the M1 Rail project; Peter Karmanos Jr., founder of Detroit-based software maker Compuware Corp.; Mike Ilitch, owner of the Detroit Tigers and Detroit Red Wings and co-founder of Little Caesar Enterprises Inc.; and Quicken Loans/Rock Financial founder Dan Gilbert, who’s the project’s co-chairman.

Cullen is also president and COO of Gilbert’s Rock Enterprises holding company.

The project is under the supervision of the nonprofit Downtown Detroit Partnership, a private-public partnership of corporate and civic leaders, led by chairman Roger Penske. It’s a key element, but separate, from a $10 billion three-county regional transit plan being developed by transit czar John Hertel for the elected executives of Wayne, Oakland, Macomb counties and Detroit.

The M1 Rail will eventually be turned over to the authority that runs the three-county system. Hertel orchestrated the secret meetings of the private backers for nearly two years before turning the project over the downtown partnership.

The M1 Rail project was discussed Thursday morning with reporters at the Detroit Athletic Club.

Here are some of the other highlights:

• The goal is to begin construction by the end of the year and have the line running no later than 18 months later. “It’s an aggressive timeline,” Cullen said. Survey crews are already at work.

• The project’s executives are in discussions with “two or three” financiers to assemble the money aspect of the rail system, Cullen said. He declined to reveal names, but said they would be banks that have an extensive local presence. Because the project’s funding is coming in over time, money will need to be financed up front.

• Ten individuals, foundations or corporations have donated at least $3 million each, Cullen said. (See related box, on the project’s funding and cost estimates.)

• The line will be in the second lane from the curb, preserving parking along Woodward and co-mingled with traffic. Stations will protrude by the curbside and will include advertising and branding. “This is very much a pedestrian-friendly system,” Cullen said. The cars, which will be a hybrid between modern street cars and traditional light rail, will typically carry 100-125 people, and more than 200 during major events such as ballgames.

• The service will be available from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. with an estimated 75-cent toll that will be honor-based, meaning tickets are bought prior to boarding and are randomly checked during trips. There will be discounted tickets for students, seniors and frequent riders. Revenue fare is expected to account for just a small amount of the line’s operating funding, with the rest coming from state subsidy’s and taxes captured from development along the route, as authorized by the legislation signed into law in January.

• The project will require some level of approval from the city, and cooperation, but Cullen said it’s not completely certain yet that the city council would have to sign off the rail line. Woodward is a state highway, so the Michigan Department of Transportation has primary oversight, but the city has a role, too. He also said Mayor Dave Bing is aware of the project, and will be getting more in-depth briefing soon.

• There are no plans to seek federal stimulus money for the M1 Rail, but Cullen said it’s cost could be used as the local match portion of any publicly funded extension of the line and as part of the larger regional transit project.

• The rail company will attempt to broker a deal to piggyback another city’s production run of train cars, Cullen said. There are just a handful of light rail vehicle manufacturers, and car orders often are for dozens or hundreds, so Cullen said a manufacturer might be willing to add Detroit’s dozen or so units onto a pre-existing order. Notable manufacturers include Germany’s Siemens Transportations Systems, Bombardier Transportation in Montreal and Oregon Iron Works Inc. in Clackamas, Ore.

• The line’s route is still being studied. Because of the physical restrictions involved in a light-rail vehicle’s turning radius, it’s possible the line may switch at Campus Martius to Washington Avenue to form a loop that extends to Jefferson Avenue and back to Woodward, Cullen said. Another option is a train stopping, the driver walking to the other end of the vehicle and simply driving from the other end from a Y-shaped terminus. “We’re looking to understand what makes sense,” Cullen said.

• Henry Ford Hospital has expressed interest in a spur line connecting to the New Center Area stop.

Cullen also briefly addressed speculation that the private backers getting any direct financial gain from the project: No, they won’t. “It’s pure philanthropy by the private funders,” he said.

• The M1 Rail was originally called The Regional Area Initial Link, or TRAIL, but possibilities for new names are being studied.
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WHO’S WORKING ON WHAT

The following companies have deals to provide professionals services for the M1 Rail project:

Architecture

• Kansas City-based HOK Group Inc. (lead architect)
• Detroit-based Hamilton Anderson Associates, ConstrucTWO LLC and BEI Associates Inc.

Pre-construction

• Detroit-based Walbridge Aldinger

Mainline engineering

• San Francisco-based URS Corp., which has an office in Detroit
• LTK Engineering Services (Ambler, Pa.)
• Three Detroit-based subcontractors: Tucker, Young, Jackson, Tull Inc.; Metco Services Inc. and NTH Consultants Ltd.

Vehicle procurement

• LTK Engineering Services
Public relations, marketing and branding
• Eisbrenner Public Relations (Troy), The Bingman Group (Lansing) and Gyro Creative (Detroit).

Source: M1 Rail
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Old Posted May 24, 2009, 6:23 AM
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Rendering of M1-Rail Streetcar:


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This is looking south along Woodward near Mack.
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This is the first time I've ever heard of a private light rail system in the US.
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Just to note, the plan is that when the region can form a regional transit authority (yeah, there is no regional transit authority, at the moment, rather a pair two systems, one that covers the city and one that covers the suburbs), that they'll take over operation of both the planned public system and this soon-to-be-built private line.
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Just to note, the plan is that when the region can form a regional transit authority (yeah, there is no regional transit authority, at the moment, rather a pair two systems, one that covers the city and one that covers the suburbs), that they'll take over operation of both the planned public system and this soon-to-be-built private line.
By take over the private system, do you mean buy?
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The article is kind of ambiguous about that and it simply says that the M1-Rail has agreed to be "turned over" the the regional authority when it comes into existence. What exactly that means, I don't know; I don't think M1-Rail has publically revealed what the turn over mechanism (i.e. a sale, a gift) will be.

That said, M1-Rail insists that the system is complete charity and that none of the business owners are gaming the system to try and make money off of it. Really, who knows? That's one of the problems of a private entity: there is no requirement for public transparency.
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The article is kind of ambiguous about that and it simply says that the M1-Rail has agreed to be "turned over" the the regional authority when it comes into existence. What exactly that means, I don't know; I don't think M1-Rail has publically revealed what the turn over mechanism (i.e. a sale, a gift) will be.

That said, M1-Rail insists that the system is complete charity and that none of the business owners are gaming the system to try and make money off of it. Really, who knows? That's one of the problems of a private entity: there is no requirement for public transparency.
Unfortunately, there's often little transparency in prublic entities as well.
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Unfortunately, there's often little transparency in prublic entities as well.
But, at least it's required of them, which gives the general public some recourse when they aren't.
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