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Old Posted Sep 18, 2017, 3:19 PM
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Beds: 6-...and 3 baths.
Rooms: 15-
House size: 3,287 sq ft
Stories: 2
Lot size: 15,675
Heating: Central Cooling
Year built: 1922

This house site is in the old San Gabriel area.

[I lived in the San Gabriel Village area that was built after 1938. The acreage was formerly part of San Gabriel Mission citrus farms. All of the citrus trees were removed and the site was developed by British company Percy Bilton Ltd. It was a popular place for movie industry people to live along with their self-important children.]

Nice size, you must have come from a large family....Sweet Los Angeles.!

ER...the modified backyard is rather small for swing ....there's another home that appears to have been placed in the former backyard area. A subdivided situation is my guess but I could be mistaken.

The original lot was much larger? The San Gabriel golf course is to the left side of photo.


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No, I lived 1.5 miles from there in a 3 bedroom 1 bath house, but it was part of my bike riding neighborhood!

I had started to look up the parcels to see how it was divided and only got so far as a document in 1901 to say the land was "abandoned." Now I'll research more about Percy Bilton Ltd. as my parents house in San Gabriel was also part of the SG Mission, though I think it had walnut trees!
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2017, 4:11 PM
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No, I lived 1.5 miles from there in a 3 bedroom 1 bath house, but it was part of my bike riding neighborhood!

I had started to look up the parcels to see how it was divided and only got so far as a document in 1901 to say the land was "abandoned." Now I'll research more about Percy Bilton Ltd. as my parents house in San Gabriel was also part of the SG Mission, though I think it had walnut trees!
Originally the San Gabriel Village was planted with Carob trees...a form of chocolate. These are now all gone. I well remember the bean pods. Our yard was covered with them.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mV04_zB_8B...arob_fruit.jpg
http://balconygardenweb.com/wp-conte...9bcEE_mini.jpg

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Here is another 'invasion' map written in Japanese. [1941]

David Rumsey Map Collection

I would like someone to translate what is written beneath the large battleship just off the California coast.

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I had a friend who is a translator look at this map and translate what was under the warships. Here are her remarks:


大日本帝国総合艦隊
Imperial Japanese Comprehensive Naval Fleet

米国艦本(太平洋方面?左)
Not really sure what this means, but, it looks like:
American warship base (Pacific Ocean Direction/district/area ? left)

The orientation of the writing above is left to right, but reverse on the map.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2017, 10:40 PM
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GatoVerde, thanks for asking your friend to translate the WWII map. I really appreciate it.

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I was born at Seaside in 1943 . Appropriately it was blackout conditions, but not an Official Blackout- just no lights
I'm curious Ed, what's the difference between an 'Official Blackout' and "just no lights"?
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Times editors working during first World War II blackout.


Los Angeles Times

Dec. 10, 1941: Three days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Los Angeles had its first World War II blackout, and L.A.
Times city desk editors were allowed to continue working with desk lamps only.
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The Times reported the next morning:

City of Shadows!

That was Los Angeles last night during the first total black-out in its history.

It was an eerie feeling, walking along familiar streets made strange by the blackness.

It was an eerie feeling writing this in a city room dimmed almost to inkiness, where this reporter is thankful he learned to typewrite by the touch system.

Shortly after 8 p.m. the street lights in the downtown section blinked out. The usually brightly lighted Civil Center turned black.
One by one lights in the windows of the City Hall were extinguished, leaving the great tower outlined as it never before has been against a star-flecked backdrop.

Black-out!

For months–years, now–the black-outs of Europe have made good reading for the American public. Today, no doubt, the European public
will be reading about Los Angeles under darkness.

This photo was published in the Dec. 11, 1941 LA Times.

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Old Posted Sep 18, 2017, 11:31 PM
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GatoVerde, thanks for asking your friend to translate the WWII map. I really appreciate it.


I'm curious Ed, what's the difference between an 'Official Blackout' and "just no lights"?
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Times editors working during first World War II blackout.



Dec. 10, 1941: Three days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Los Angeles had its first World War II blackout, and L.A.
Times city desk editors were allowed to continue working with desk lamps only.
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This photo was published in the Dec. 11, 1941 LA Times.
Eerie photo.

It seems unreal today in 2017 but people in 1941 expected that Los Angeles would be bombed at any moment. LA residents were genuinely terrified.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2017, 1:08 AM
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Yes, it is an eerie photograph CityBoyDoug. It's a bit frightening in fact.

That said, I had no idea blackouts began so soon after the attack on Pearl Harbor (although it makes perfect sense)
I also didn't realize the U.S. was worried that Japanese aircraft carriers would come within flying range of the west coast so soon after Dec. 7th 1941. (3 Days!)

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detail from the L.A. Times pic.

Doesn't this looks like a scene from a 1940s film noir.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2017, 2:10 AM
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Huh! Consultation with my brother brings the interesting fact that Seaside was also where I was born. It seems that all that about a cabbage leaf was somewhat wide of the mark. Live and learn.
What a coincidence - my wife and her mother were also both born at Seaside Hospital. Only it was the Seaside Hospital in Crescent City, not Long Beach.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2017, 2:55 AM
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There is a group of unique bungalows in Burbank on Hollywood Way between Warner Bros. Studios and the old Columbia Ranch (now Warner Bros. Ranch)

I first heard of them when I happened upon this postcard earlier this evening.


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No details yet on who built them or when. (Paul E. Wolfe is the postcard photographer)




And guess what, some of them are still there!


gsv






I particularly like the twin chimney flues on this one.


gsv

The oddly slanted front window you see in the pic above can also be found on several other bungalows -

they are located north of a modern apartment building that tragically breaks up the set of 10 bungalows. (see below)


google_earth

more info. here:
fancy notions (but no real answers)

update: this link also mentions a lone bungalow. "The eleventh is pretty far down the block from the others.' -fn
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Another person suggests they were designed by a set designer at Warner Bros in the 1930s. (but I haven't been able to confirm whether that's true or not)

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One more post before I call it a night.


'mystery' rifleman (odd photo)

"1962 LOS ANGELES MEMORIAL COLISEUM SIGN W/RIFLE MAN 4"x5" ORIGINAL NEG"


ebay

Who dat?

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0Here is another Leonard Nadel photo taken for the Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles. The caption is "Exterior view of a three story slum dwelling with City Hall in the background."


Calisphere.org - lapl.org

I wondered what might be learned about this building and its history.

There are a few clues: the number 406, two business names (Bradley's Leather Processing and Flora's(?) Cafe), and the position of City Hall. Bradley's Leather shows up in various 1950s and 1960s city directories with addresses in South Central, so no help there. I tried to match the orientation and shadows on City Hall with Google Earth views using its time-of-day/shadow slider bar and settled on:


Google Earth

If Nadel's picture was taken in the morning, we are looking west. So I looked at a bunch of 1950 Sanborn maps of the 400 blocks of streets east of City Hall and found:


lapl.org

The Sanborn map shows that the 406 Commercial address is a leather processing company, and 402 is a restaurant. The bay windows of the tenement, and the turret on the NW corner of Alameda and Commercial match and are circled in red, so we are looking at the SE corner of Alameda and Commercial. One imagines that the fragrance of fried food and leather finishing did not add much to the charm of living there.

The building dates from about 1890. It is called the Alameda Building on the 1894 Sanborn, where it presciently houses the Salvation Army at 410 Commercial. The upper two stories were the St. George House lodging rooms.


lapl.org

One can get a flavor of the St. George clientele from the LA Times:


ProQuest via ucla.edu

The LADBS database has nothing on the Commercial St. addresses, but does have numerous items on the Alameda side, for numbers 516-522. They tell a story of decay that had set in already by 1920. In that year, a remodel permit was issued:


LADBS

I don't like the sound of a "scuttle hole," sounds like it's for the convenience of rodents. The rooms must have been pretty small to squeeze 18 per floor in a building with a 100' x 50' footprint. Each would have been about 12' x 12'.

In 1939, a few years before Nadel's photo, the St. George House had become the Oriental Hotel. That year, an alteration was approved "to put Back Porch in good order: 1) to tear out all lumber that is now infested with termites and dry rot, 2) placing of concrete footing for 5 posts which supports two floors of porch, 3) to replace 5 new 6" x 6" Posts approximately 16 feet long which supports the outside edges of said Porch." These are easily seen in the photo.

The building was replaced by a gas station in 1954.

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I don't like the sound of a "scuttle hole," sounds like it's for the convenience of rodents. The rooms must have been pretty small to squeeze 18 per floor in a building with a 100' x 50' footprint. Each would have been about 17' x 17'.

In 1939, a few years before Nadel's photo, the St. George House had become the Oriental Hotel. That year, an alteration was approved "to put Back Porch in good order: 1) to tear out all lumber that is now infested with termites and dry rot, 2) placing of concrete footing for 5 posts which supports two floors of porch, 3) to replace 5 new 6" x 6" Posts approximately 16 feet long which supports the outside edges of said Porch." These are easily seen in the photo.

The building was replaced by a gas station in 1954.[/QUOTE]

Most people who have an attic have a "scuttle hole". It is generally 2' x 2' and is located in an out of the way place as an access way to the attic or in this case apparently the roof. Ours is in a former closet.
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Most people who have an attic have a "scuttle hole". It is generally 2' x 2' and is located in an out of the way place as an access way to the attic or in this case apparently the roof. Ours is in a former closet.
Interesting. I grew up in a house with an attic, my bedroom and my brother's bedroom were in it, but don't remember a scuttle hole.
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1960s ad/ebay


backdrop: The El Mirador Apartments at Fountain Avenue & Sweetzer.


http://eetill.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html

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The color photo is an "AD" from the 60's? What exactly is being "advertised?" Hmmm...
LOL.
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The color photo is an "AD" from the 60's? What exactly is being "advertised?" Hmmm...
LOL.
Whatever it's for, I see that the one model is with the majority... don't most of us dress to the left?
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The color photo is an "AD" from the 60's? What exactly is being "advertised?" Hmmm...
LOL.
The photo is an ad for a 60's porn movie?
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1960's Ad

Since the attention of every "decent person" is focused on the footwear, surely the ad is for those white "Keds."
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Oh, are there people in the pic? I was looking at the new street tree. Evergreen Pear, I think.
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Two young children, Los Angeles [1890s]


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When I first looked at this photograph I didn't see the little girl's legs so I thought she was standing up.

photographer:
Reynolds, 213 N. Spring St. Los Angeles Cal.





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Oh, are there people in the pic? I was looking at the new street tree. Evergreen Pear, I think.
...and a lovely Deodar cedar, I think, down the block, backing a Southern Magnolia, if I'm not mistaken:


google

Judging by the trouser length, I'd assume both of these gents are cops, never an attractive look:

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"1870 Los Angeles woman

ebay

"This original photograph was obtained from the collection and estate of Floyd Clymer (the motorcycle dude we recently discussed on NLA).
The seller says the photograph is probably one-of-a-kind and may have been published by Clymer in one of his many publications."


I'm intrigued by the hat.

Do you think it's some sort of riding hat?

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