TORONTO | Bay-Adelaide Centre East Tower | 43 Floors | 196 Meters - Page 4

koops65 · #61 Posted **Jan 22, 2013, 1:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dwils01

they don't count it as under construction on this site until the crane is up and there is some foundation work.

They do in the diagram section... 1 York is already listed as U/C and they barely started excavating just a week ago.

caltrane74 · #62 Posted **Jan 22, 2013, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dwils01

they don't count it as under construction on this site until the crane is up and there is some foundation work.

Some of the foundation work for this new tower was actually completed in the 1980's and 90's when the original Bay Adelaide was proposed.

caltrane74 · #63 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 1:25 AM**

Excavation work beginning?

LeftCoaster · #64 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 4:35 PM**

This building is not U/C.

I work right by it and I will update it and move it when it is appropriate.

LeftCoaster · #65 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 4:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by koops65

They do in the diagram section... 1 York is already listed as U/C and they barely started excavating just a week ago.

1 York is not U/C.

This thread spells out the rules pretty well:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...68&postcount=1

Ramako · #66 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 5:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

1 York is not U/C.

This thread spells out the rules pretty well:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...68&postcount=1

WhipperSnapper, who is the editor for the Toronto diagrams, has stated that notwithstanding the above rules, he considers excavation to be the start of construction for the purposes of the diagrams. He's laid out his reasons before, but I don't remember what they are or where he stated them.

caltrane74 · #67 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

1 York is not U/C.

This thread spells out the rules pretty well:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...68&postcount=1

The signs inside Bay Adelaide Centre state the foundation work on Tower 2 is ongoing. I should have taken a picture, I grabbed something to eat in the foodcourt, was planning to take a picture and got a call to meet me girlfriend uptown. Otherwise I would have got it.

LeftCoaster · #68 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 8:12 PM**

Like I said I work right here, I'll be right on top of things once it's actually U/C.

Patience people!

LeftCoaster · #69 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 8:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

WhipperSnapper, who is the editor for the Toronto diagrams, has stated that notwithstanding the above rules, he considers excavation to be the start of construction for the purposes of the diagrams. He's laid out his reasons before, but I don't remember what they are or where he stated them.

Ya him and I have had that dispute before in the Canada section too. I lost that one, but the rules in the main section are fully spelled out and every city plays by the same set of them.

Really there is an argument either way but a line had to be drawn and it got drawn there.

caltrane74 · #70 Posted **Jan 23, 2013, 11:17 PM**

of course, there's no rush. Enough to keep us occupied for a while even before this one gets going..

Dwils01 · #71 Posted **Jan 24, 2013, 12:07 AM**

Sorry to cause such a disagreement about this. I met it's not under construction in the main skyscraperpage forum for highrises because of the rules here.
I know that as soon as excavation starts, it's under construction in the diagrams and in the database.

koops65 · #72 Posted **Jan 24, 2013, 12:34 AM**

This might be opening up a can of worms that shouldn't be opened, but why are there different rules for the thread discussions, and for the diagrams, as regards U/C? If a building isn't considered to be U/C "officially" in the main thread, then why can it be listed as U/C in the diagram section? Personally I don't care which rules are followed, but I do think those rules should be standardized across the board, and applied in all cases, not just some of the time.

Innsertnamehere · #73 Posted **Jan 24, 2013, 12:42 AM**

I know the Reason for it not officially being. UC here is because there was an episode where a bunch of Dubai projects got cancelled and filled in while still excavating.

caltrane74 · #74 Posted **Jan 24, 2013, 12:43 AM**

Thankfully, Toronto is not Dubai!

koops65 · #75 Posted **Jan 24, 2013, 3:54 AM**

No, but remember the original Bay-Adelaide, which stalled and became a stump for 20 years...

caltrane74 · #76 Posted **Jan 24, 2013, 3:02 PM**

Ah yes, technicalities, technicalities.

Redkey · #77 Posted **Jan 25, 2013, 4:58 PM**

I hope this becomes a stump until Brookfield and WZMH come up with a better design.

caltrane74 · #78 Posted **Jan 25, 2013, 11:22 PM**

With Tenants signed up. that likely won't happen now.

Gresto · #79 Posted **Jan 25, 2013, 11:37 PM**

As pictured at the top of the page next to its taller sibling, I like it.

Ramako · #80 Posted **Jan 30, 2013, 1:37 AM**

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Application: Building Additions/Alterations Status: Not Started

Location: 118 YONGE ST
TORONTO ON M5C 1X3

Ward 28: Toronto Centre-Rosedale

Application#: 13 112909 BLD 00 BA Accepted Date: Jan 29, 2013

Project: Office Multiple Projects

Description: Proposal for relocating, restoring, and re-cladding the facade from 2 Adelaide St W to 132 Yonge St and interior renovation to 132 Yonge St and 22 Adelaide St W. Relocation of generator. See related permit 13-104149.

This looks like confirmation that the facade of the heritage building being demolished for the podium will live on as the new facade of the adjacent PoMo building. A few years from now the entrance to Temperance off Yonge will be pretty charming with the heritage facade and the Dineen Building facing each other.