AUSTIN | Brackenridge Campus/HealthSouth Redevelopment - Page 18

urbancore · #**341** Posted **Dec 11, 2020, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Honestly I like those "social constraints" I see nothing wrong with the city pushing for more public uses because after all, we the public should be able to have access and more interconnectivity to tie into the surrounding area and we desperately need affordable housing too. Developers shouldn't have cart blanch full control when this development will shape the entire northeast quadrant of DT Austin.

The city should weigh in the miss opportunity of dragging their feet. Each day/month/years in some cases, that they force developers to pay more, do more, they get less housing on the ground in a timely manner. This pushes prices up. Austin is at the beginning of a crisis...we need WAY more housing, of all types....and it's not coming in any way to match the demand in over the next 3-5 years.

It's pure politics from people who are NOT urban planners, don't believe in supply and demand....and who think the government solves problems. Get out of the way, let the builders build....and get on with it.

That said, if the city owns the property, I completely AGREE the city should fight for the best use in their eyes....that includes affordable housing. My problem is when they butt their noses in private deals and endless delays.

drummer · #**342** Posted **Dec 11, 2020, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Novacek

If the council wanted more than x, y, z they should have asked for it originally.

Yep.

the Genral · #**343** Posted **Dec 11, 2020, 7:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Novacek

Who said anything about cart blanche?

The city put out an RFP asking for X, Y, and Z.

The developer came back with X, Y, Z _plus_ a public park/viewing platform.

If the council wanted more than x, y, z they should have asked for it originally.

In the world of sales, that would be considered bait-and-switch. Adding to the original x y z demands after the interested party acts in good faith and is usually vested in time and money is a age old practice of leveraging maximum benefits to the beneficiary. In sales you would want to top down sell, here you do the opposite because...you can. They, the City have all the leverage.
I think there's a morality issue at play, sometimes, but should not be surprising considering there are thousands of books and seminars that teach how to achieve maximum results through deception, and sales tactics. The only way to defeat said tactics is to limit any kind of investments and to always appear that you are ready to walk away from the deal. Pretty sure to be part of the decision making board, those kind of books and seminars are pre-requisites. I do have a feeling that developers are aware that there will be a plethora of "Hidden Charges" (demands), but have little choice but to keep giving into them if they want to move forward. Part of the process game.

myBrain · #**344** Posted **Dec 11, 2020, 7:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by LoneStarMike

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Rendering from the vantage point of an elevated park facing the Texas Capitol that Aspen Heights Partners has proposed for city-owned land at 1215 Red River St.

River views are cool and all... but the view this thing will have of the Capitol to the west and the growing skyline to the south are gonna be some of the best new vantages in the city.

ATXboom · #**345** Posted **Dec 11, 2020, 10:29 PM**

The city should have known its ask before major companies invested so much time to put proposals together. The city is moving goal posts after the game is over... Not the brightest bunch. I'd be pissed if I'm one of the submitting organizations.

The ATX · #**346** Posted **Dec 11, 2020, 10:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATXboom

The city should have known its ask before major companies invested so much time to put proposals together. The city is moving goal posts after the game is over... Not the brightest bunch. I'd be pissed if I'm one of the submitting organizations.

I became fed up with Austin City government during the MLS stadium location process. But Adler's open letter to Amazon during the HQ2 frenzy was probably the beginning of my dislike for it.