Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[GoTrans]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

The trillium line is owned by the CP, I would like to know what kind of exclusivity contract they have with the city.

I believe CP sold the line to the city, but since the city bought the POW bridge, it is then an interprovincial operation and subject to federal railway rules. This means that the city cannot not arbitrarily prevent another railway from using the tracks provided they can agree on a price.

This would mean the route would have to be double tracked to Confederation and would include some expensive infrastructure such as an additional bridge over the Rideau at Carleton U, a new tunnel sunk beside the existing one under Dow's Lake, and expanding the cut from the northern portal to Gladstone, longer bridges at Carling, Gladstone and possibly Somerset and rehabilitation of the POW bridge.

[Innsertnamehere]

Railways are federally regulated regardless of ownership.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Railways are federally regulated regardless of ownership.

There are some exceptions to that. Branch lines, for example.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

The trillium line is owned by the CP, I would like to know what kind of exclusivity contract they have with the city.

No, the Trillium Line is now owned by the City of Ottawa. They bought it from CP quite some time ago, too... I want to say in 2005.

Meaning Moose can't run on the tracks at all without the City of Ottawa's approval.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Some DMUs (akin to the UP in Toronto) can actually use the railways as is. It's just to have some platforms. The suburban network in Montreal was actually relaunched cheaply with success from temporary platforms using old GO-Trains.

It's more of the financial aspects that leave me scratching my head. As for the rail network itself, there is lots of excess capacity in Ottawa.

Are you sure about that? VIA has added a lot of trains in the past couple years and they now take up a lot more track time than they used to. The number of weekly schedule trips on the Ottawa-Toronto line, for example, has surged from about 65 in 2010 to nearly 100 today.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

No, the Trillium Line is now owned by the City of Ottawa. They bought it from CP quite some time ago, too... I want to say in 2005.

Meaning Moose can't run on the tracks at all without the City of Ottawa's approval.

Good, this is what I wanted to know.

[McC]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

There are some exceptions to that. Branch lines, for example.

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Railways are federally regulated regardless of ownership.

It's bigger than just that, shortlines that operate in one province only are provincially-regulated; see for example:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tcss/RSA_rev...apter3-373.htm

3.1.2 Provinces

Railways have traditionally been viewed as an area of federal jurisdiction, but the sale or lease of track by the major carriers in the 1990s led to the creation of many short lines that fall within provincial jurisdiction.

A bit old, but that doc has a complete list of the provincially-regulated railways operating in 2007:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tcss/RSA_rev...endixe-404.htm

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

The trains don't share most of the Trillium route though. They cross at Conderation Heights to Bayview but that's it.

https://www.letsgomoose.ca/maps/

The use the reminder tracks won't be an issue. Again that shows the the LRT route should have used the South-East Transitway and liberate the O-Train corridor from Bayview for heavy trains.

Ya but Carelton and Carling require full metro service. Rush hour commuter service isn't going to help.

If anything, Moose should drop people off at Bayview (for those from the Québec side) and Tremblay (for Ontarians.)

That said, there is another major conflict (as mentioned by someone else earlier) at the Pont Noir in Touraine (between Lac Leamey and Gréber stations)crossing the Gatineau River, used by freight service and STO buses (again, think rush hour).

Another improvement would be to eliminate most of the stations already served by buses and light rail.

[lrt's friend]

I simply don't get Moose and I have known about this for at least a year. On more than half the proposed rail network, there will be conflict with Trillium Line and Via Rail trains and Rapibus that shares much of the proposed Gatineau corridor. Who is going to pay for extra track to accommodate these extra trains? How will different classes of trains share the same track? What is the business model that will allow for all this extra track construction for a few commuter trains on each line?

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I simply don't get Moose and I have known about this for at least a year. On more than half the proposed rail network, there will be conflict with Trillium Line and Via Rail trains and Rapibus that shares much of the proposed Gatineau corridor. Who is going to pay for extra track to accommodate these extra trains? How will different classes of trains share the same track? What is the business model that will allow for all this extra track construction for a few commuter trains on each line?

And the rest are mostly in terrible condition or no longer exist.

[Coldrsx]

http://transedlrt.ca/wp-content/uplo...ap-Stops-2.jpg

Updated details on construction activities occurring in 2016
As with every construction site, the public is cautioned to use care near work sites. For the safety of workers and the public, access to construction sites by unauthorized personnel is strictly prohibited. Please obey all signs and directions of construction crew members.


North Saskatchewan River Valley (NSRV)

Louise McKinney Park and Henrietta Muir Edwards Park

Construction site fences are going up. Trail closure and alternate route signs have been installed. Informational signs about the project will be installed soon.
TransEd is committed to leaving the trails and Cloverdale Footbridge open as long as possible. These will be the last to close.
Full closure, including the bridge and trails, will occur on or about the week of July 11.
Construction activity in 2016

Access roads will be constructed to allow equipment to move from existing roadways to the base of the Cloverdale Footbridge on both the north and south sides of the River.
Berms will be constructed in the North Saskatchewan River.
Cranes will be installed on the berms to remove the Cloverdale Footbridge and begin construction on the new Tawatinâ Bridge.
The existing bridge superstructure will be removed.
Bridge supports will be removed.
Tunnel Portal

Excavation work will begin on the south end of the Valley Line LRT Tunnel on the north slope of the North Saskatchewan River.
Jasper Avenue from 95 Street to 96 Street & 102Avenue from 95 Street to 96 Street

TransEd will be adding a new storm and sanitary sewers.
From July 25-October 31, lane closures will take place on both Jasper Avenue and 102 Avenue.
Further traffic impacts will be announced as they are known.
66 Street, from Whitemud Drive to 28 Avenue

In preparation for next year’s construction, streetscaping, medians and trees in these areas will be removed to make way for detour roadways.
This will allow maximum flexibility in providing driving lanes during construction next year, easing the impact on motorists.
Trees are being removed in alignment with the City of Edmonton’s tree management policy. Each tree has been assessed and recorded.
Construction of noise attenuation walls will begin on the east side of 66 Street in localised areas. Exact locations will be announced to homeowners as they become known.
95 Avenue, 85 Street, 83 Street, 75 Street along the LRT alignment (Bonnie Doon, Cloverdale, Strathearn neighborhoods)

In preparation for next year’s construction, trees in these areas will be removed.
Trees are being removed in alignment with the City of Edmonton’s tree management policy. Each tree has been assessed and recorded.
Davies Station

Construction of caisson piers will begin in 2016. The piers will support the elevated guideway and station at this location.
Wagner Park

Access road construction through the park will begin. Use of the park will be impacted, so the public is asked to obey all signs and directions of construction crews. Signs will be posted.
Elevated Guideway over 98 Avenue at Henrietta Muir Edwards Park and Muttart Conservatory park

Drilling for caisson piers will begin in 2016.
Gerry Wright Operations and Maintenance Facility (75 Street and Whitemud Dr)

Site preparation is underway.

http://transedlrt.ca/disruption/deta...rring-in-2016/

[nephersir7]

Originally Posted by SkahHigh

Two new pictures released by CDPQ Infra

Entering Central Station from the south

Apparently, CDPQ Infra's partners are already carrying land surveying activities for the REM's tunnel under Griffintown

July 13th


July 18th:

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Website now has this picture up of a train being assembled:


(City of Ottawa)

July 21, 2016

Project Spotlight

Here’s a sneak peek at the new Alstom Citadis electric light rail vehicles, currently being assembled at Belfast Yard Maintenance and Storage Facility. This photo was taken recently as the trains were being moved from one bay to another in order for assembly to continue.

http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca...ect-spotlight/

[caltrane74]

Kitchener and Ottawa are on fire with LRT.

Brampton, Hamilton and Mississauga are up next!!

[ssiguy]

I hope Edmonton has learnt some lessons from the fiasco of the Metro Line.

[Daveography]

^ There was a very detailed report about all the things that went wrong, and a lot of changes have been made to ensure they don't happen again. The Valley Line is being constructed as a P3 though, so definitely not as worried about that one.

[WhipperSnapper]

Yeah, being built by Bechtel with financing through Fengate Capital. The City of Edmonton is just watching from the sidelines.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

I hope Edmonton has learnt some lessons from the fiasco of the Metro Line.

What happened?

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

What happened?

I believe he is talking about the new line that runs on the surface through major intersections, which results in red lights lasting 15 minutes. There has been a terrible time getting train signalling right. The end result is that there has been more negatives than positives regarding traffic flow and passenger experience.

[Daveography]

^ It's a bit more nuanced than that. There were major issues integrating the signalling with the existing system, in addition to issues with signalling and gate operation at the surface crossings (which is the cause of the long wait at the crossings, not simply their existence); communications infrastructure was poorly installed and much of it had to be redone; accountability on the part of the contractors was virtually nonexistent due to the way the contracts were done, resulting in a lot of buck-passing and mixed messages about the readiness of the line, and much more.

Huge mess, for sure, and taking a long time to get cleaned up, but there is progress being made. Lots was learned from it, and some pretty big shakeups in the departments responsible happened as a direct result.