noirish Los Angeles

[Paul C. Koehler]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Old P.E. substation, circa 1959


http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMTA-Los-An...item418b45cde8

The seller also included "Riverside-Glendale" as the location. (I looked.....I wasn't able to find it)
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I also have this slide, also dated 1959-"vintage Budweiser billboard sign".

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Do you suppose that is the same substation over there on the right?
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The PE sub-station in the picture was located at Riverside and Glendale blvd. Mount Sano stop on the Glendale Burbank line.

Paul C. Koehler

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by HossC

Another single image from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 2204: George Samaniego, Screen Actors Guild, 1956".



Getty Research Institute

The Screen Actors Guild was at 7750 Sunset Boulevard. The older GSV images show the building as Bug Music.
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I always liked looking at this building going down Sunset Blvd. It always looked a part of the landscape and nicely designed. My memory of it is that it was always painted in what I call an art deco green color, a little darker than it looks in the Bug Music photo. "If memory serves" one must say sometimes.

I was looking for a photo of it as the Screen Actors Guild in color, but I'm having trouble finding one. I did find this interesting one of the building from a sidewalk view if you were walking by. I guess I never "walked" by there!

UCLA Library

The photo must be from 1956 because it's noted in the caption that the building "is brand new, dedicated only last May 25."

And speaking of being dedicated, the SAG-AFTRA website has these photos of it's dedication.

Guild officers, left to right: Treasurer George Chandler, President Walter Pidgeon, George Meany, 2nd Vice President Dana Andrews and 1st Vice President Leon Ames. (Also in attendance were Los Angeles Mayor Norris Poulson, California Governor Goodwin Knight and Monsignor John Devlin.)

SAG-AFTRA


With Guild President Walter Pidgeon, AFL-CIO President George Meany dedicated the new Screen Actors Guild headquarters at 7750 Sunset Blvd. in Los Angeles.

SAG-AFTRA


And an architectural rendering of the building.

SAG-AFTRA

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

I loved that building. The stone, lettering and tile work made it such a landmark. It's really is diminished now.

SAG (now SAG/AFTRA, part of the AFL-CIO) moved to the Prudential Building on the Miracle Mile.
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Agree with your thoughts about the SAG building.

Part of the AFL-CIO -- No wonder Meany was in the dedication photos!

SAG was in the Sunset location for 20 years and before it moved to the Prudential Building (Museum Square, 1993-2012 merger, renamed SAG-AFTRA Plaza, 2015) when it moved into the Hollywood Congregational Church from 1986-1993 at 7065 Hollywood Boulevard.

SAG-AFTRA

It's also noted that the church location was diagonally across Hollywood Blvd. from its 1938-1956 location, 7046 Hollywood Blvd., and just up the block, on North Sycamore, was Masquers Club clubhouse, from which the Guild sprang in 1933.

SAG-AFTRA Guild Headquarters History:
https://www.sagaftra.org/guild-headquarters

[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I found this the other night with the rainy Vermont slide and the Capitol Records Vine St. slide.

I've been trying to read the various programs listed on the marquee above the front doors. The center one is Dolores something...and...well... it's a bit difficult isn't it.

Any help would be appreciated.

CBS Columbia Square at 6121 Sunset Blvd.

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At first I thought that was a Dept. of Forestry truck, now I'm thinking it might be a Ma Bell truck. (it comes down to whether that's a bell or a pine tree in the circular logo)
I never expected Bell telephone trucks to be GREEN!
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The middle frame of the marquee reads:

Dolores Drive-In Presents
"Hawthorne Here Tonite" 12 05 AM

The left and right are harder. The left is:

[something] [something] Presents 4 30 PM
"Santa Anita Handicap"

The right is:
[something] Presents "Family Fun"
[something] Jay Stewart [something] PM

Cheers,

Earl

[ethereal_reality]

Congratulations on your first post HBKid !

Originally Posted by HBKid

I grew up in Huntington Beach.
LA was always the far away land of smog, sex, outrageous dreams and scandal.

I'm intrigued by your 'noirish' summation of Los Angeles HBKid.

I know there are numerous NLRers that grew up in the surrounding areas. Is this how you viewed Los Angeles at the time?

Originally Posted by HBKid

Originally Posted by ProphetM

Those old buildings on blocks are the Castle and the Salt Box, famously saved from the redevelopment of Bunker Hill and then lost to fire.

Here's another screengrab showing the 'Castle' and Salt Box' (posted by gsjansenback in 2011)

The Outsiders 1968-69

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3601


and sadly, their demise

http://onbunkerhill.org/category/sou...r-hill-avenue/

It still hurts.
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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Paul C. Koehler

Actually it's a Pacific Bell truck, during that time frame they all had that custom body.

Paul C. Koehler

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

The middle frame of the marquee reads:

Dolores Drive-In Presents
"Hawthorne Here Tonite" 12 05 AM

The left and right are harder. The left is:

[something] [something] Presents 4 30 PM
"Santa Anita Handicap"

The right is:
[something] Presents "Family Fun"
[something] Jay Stewart [something] PM

Cheers,

Earl

Paul C. Koehler's post reminded me I have a similar slide of the CBS Center that I found a few weeks ago.


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Can anyone read this marquee line-up (Earl?)

I can make out some of the words, but not all. I'm especially curious about the "Moon News".

*note the KNX sign. It's missing in the top slide.

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[Martin Pal]

two

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Under the "any help" provision:
The first section:

____ ____ PRESENTS 4:30 PM
"SANTA ANITA HANDICAP"

Second section:

DOLORES DRIVE-IN PRESENTS
"HAWTHORNE HERE TONITE" 12:05 AM

Third section:

__ PRESENTS "FAMILY FUN"
RING JAY STEWART __:__ PM

[ethereal_reality]

Here are three more slides taken on the same day as the CBS Center slide. (the one I just posted)


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As most of you know: Sunset and Vine



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Further afield, up on Hollywood Blvd.


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[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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paul c. Koehler's post reminded me i have a similar slide of the cbs center.


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can anyone read this marquee line-up (earl?)

i can make out some of the words, but not all. I'm especially curious about the "moon news".

*note the knx sign. It's missing in the top slide.

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left:

____________ PRESENTS
ART LINKLETTER'S HOUSE PARTY ____PM

center:

CALIFORNIA FEDERAL SAVINGS & LOAN
PRESENTS WM KENNEALLY'S "NOON NEWS"


right:

ALKA-SELTZER PRESENTS "CURT MASSEY TIME"
CURT MASSEY - MARTHA TILTON 2:45 PM

[ethereal_reality]

I so wanted it to be MOON news. lol

[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Paul C. Koehler's post reminded me I have a similar slide of the CBS Center that I found a few weeks ago.


ebay

Can anyone read this marquee line-up (Earl?)

I can make out some of the words, but not all. I'm especially curious about the "Moon News".

*note the KNX sign. It's missing in the top slide.

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California Federal Savings & Loan
Presents Wm Kenneally's "Noon News"

and to the right

Alka-Seltzer Presents "Curt Massey Time"
Curt Massey Martha Tilton 2 45 PM

Left hand appears to have the word "Houseparty" in it.

Cheers,

Earl

[HBKid]

Hi ProphetM & Etherial Reality,

Thanks so much for the warm welcome from such amazing experts on LA! I imagine there are lots and lots of us of avid lurkers here who read every post who are part of the Norish online community.

To answer your question about Huntington Beach versus LA: Yes, it was as if, in addition to Disneyland, between Orange County (we never called it THE OC, ever) and greater LA there was a an invisible psychological barrier. Many in HB disliked 'Hollywood types,' the immoral and creative LA. In Huntington Beach in the 60's, the surfers were called 'beach bums' and scorned.

My family lived around the corner from here in the exploding track homes thanks to VA funding. A few months previous the whole area of HB was nothing but fields of vegetables:


In HB there were lots of conservatives and military contractors and government workers who worked for all kinds of secret government projects.


My Dad worked for NASA on Apollo.


I went to a brand new 'Sputnik School' where we learned something called 'New Math.' One family out of a 100 were California natives. When the rolling smog eventually appeared, it was as if the great cultural divide was breached about the same time 'Laugh-In' became so popular. It signaled LA's liberal culture was winning the 1960s culture wars. Suddenly surfers were celebrated and would become the economic center of Huntington Beach, and us kids from HB had long hair and listened to rock and roll.

Regards,
HBKid

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Congratulations on your first post HBKid !

I'm intrigued by your 'noirish' summation of Los Angeles HBKid.

I know there are numerous NLRers that grew up in the surrounding areas. Is this how you viewed Los Angeles at the time?








Here's another screengrab showing the 'Castle' and Salt Box' (posted by gsjansenback in 2011)

The Outsiders 1968-69

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3601


and sadly, their demise

http://onbunkerhill.org/category/sou...r-hill-avenue/

It still hurts.
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[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here are three more slides taken on the same day as the CBS Center slide.

The one of the west side of Vine was on the thread, but seems to have disappeared. I remember it in particular because it shows the original location (and original spelling) for the "Spotlight".

The photo is also here, sans watermark.

That's a nice shot of Whitley and Hollywood that you posted. Whatever did happen to those pillars? I'm reminded of when this was Gene Hackman's character's offices in "Get Shorty":

gsv

The Re-Tan Hotel is still there (including neon) along Whitley, as are the 1919 frame buildings to the south of it:

gsv


And that other image catches NBC's best profile. It was lovely from that angle.

[ethereal_reality]

I just checked past posts that mention "revelers", and I didn't see any mention of the Revelers' Club.

As you can see, this item is from the April 7, 1927 issue of Hollywood Vagabond magazine.

The subject of the article is a proposed chateau-like Revelers' clubhouse in the Hollywood Hills.


https://archive.org/details/hollywoodvagabon01vaga



https://archive.org/

Was anyone aware of the Revelers' Club organization...or their grandiose pie-in-the-sky proposal?

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[ethereal_reality]

"Chorus girls at Harry Carroll's home in Santa Monica, 1929" (I wonder if they really meant Earl Carroll instead of Harry)


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q355rVE3nr...%252C+1929.jpg

my eye gravitated to the girl second from left. (that's a nice chest)_______if I was into that sort of thing.

the middle girl is quite vexing as well. (& I think she's trying not to be the tallest)
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I thought "Harry" was holding booze



but I'm pretty sure that's vinegar!
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update:

If you look closely a 'Harry Carroll' owned this place next to Republic Studio. (same guy?)

1942
detail

Tourmaline first noticed 'Tin Pan Alley' here:
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=22968

and I believe that is the only time Harry Carroll has been mentioned on the blog. (NLA)

[tovangar2]

Is this the same guy?



wiki, left; e_r detail, right.



See also: IMDB



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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Is this the same guy?



wiki, left; e_r detail, right.
See also: IMDB
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Harry Carroll..........song writer...''I'm Always Chasing Rainbows'' - Harry Carroll [music adaptation..and Joseph McCarthy ]

img.photobucket.com

https://youtu.be/SNDTXLAgBx4

[John Maddox Roberts]

Vinegar isn't the only mystery. Why is Harry dressed for golf at the beach? Plus-fours and golf shoes (note the spikes on the soles.)

[ethereal_reality]

Here's another from that same romp.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/michae...n/photostream/ Michael_Ryerson

I'm pretty sure the photos originated from USC archives. (I believe there are a few others)

note that there's another gentleman dressed for golf (maybe he stopped over after a golf game with Harry)

Does anyone know where Harry Carroll's house was located in Santa Monica?
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Thanks for the info. tovangar2 and CityBoyDoug

[ethereal_reality]

update: I just found the other photos.

Here's the link
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/12615/rec/4


I believe this is the "second girl from the left" from the photo I posted last night.


usc archives

Yep, that's HER.





Later, Harry exchanged his golfing attire for a swim suit. (or maybe it was the other way around)


usc archives [cropped] check the archive for the complete photo.


In a couple of others photos Harry has a pet monkey.
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I was hoping the invoice might have Harry Carroll's address in Santa Monica, but it doesn't.


usc archives