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Noir_Noir · #**52881** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 1:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by CaliNative

I wonder if they made other pastas there, like lasagna and spaghetti?

cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 3 September 1905

cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 13 February 1910

BillinGlendaleCA · #**52882** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 3:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by CaliNative

I wonder if they made other pastas there, like lasagna and spaghetti?

Yes, here's their ad:

via Google Books

ethereal_reality · #**52883** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 6:42 PM**

'Mystery' location.

"1950 NEGATIVES...CLASSIC OLD CARS & PARKING METERS, LOS ANGELES AREA."

..of course the first thing that caught my eye was the large gas-o-meter gas tank (a favorite subject on NLA)

LINK

Here's a closer look.

#1

Luckily, the photographer caught a portion of the sign on the gas tank. (far right)..........................................

Let's concentrate on the sign.

DETAIL

EXPOSI
FI5 (?)
GRS (?)

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Just for fun, here's the other negative that includes the little boy's mom and older brother.

#2

That's quite a bow on mom's head.

hmmm....I wonder why the older boy is dressed so much better than the little boy. Maybe they're not brothers after all. (they don't look alike either)

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Earl Boebert · #**52884** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 8:06 PM**

That bow on her hat sure looks retouched.

Cheers,

Earl

Martin Pal · #**52885** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 8:24 PM**

Agree!

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

...of course the first thing that caught my eye was the large gas-o-meter gas tank (a favorite subject on NLA)

Whereas I'm always fascinated by these gasometers when I see them in period photos, that's one thing we see that I don't think any of us wish were still around!

BarSnake · #**52886** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 9:20 PM**

I just saw an article in the L. A. Times about the Dutch Chocolate Shop being put up for sale. would be great to see it reopen.
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https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...tural-monument

ethereal_reality · #**52887** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 12:30 AM**

I read that article as well, BarSnake.

I thought the most interesting part was about how the building has only ONE EXIT. (an earlier exit, through the Arcade Building, was blocked over in the 1980s)

Oh what the heck, here's that section of the story.

Link

I'm struggling to understand the solution.

You can see what they're up against in this aerial. The back of the building (617) is entirely hemmed in.

The article also says the building had a "back exit to the street". ...So what street are they referring to..

..was there a street back there at one point in time?

Here's one of the photograph from the article.

courtesy of the LATIMES

For search purposes: Dutch Chocolate Shop - Eshman Building - 217 W. 6th St. - Gerhard Eshman - Arcade Building
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ethereal_reality · #**52888** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 2:59 AM**

Here's yet another 'mystery' location.

eBay

"1950'S TRANSPARENCY...ARNOLD'S LIQUORS,DINER'S CLUB, LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA".....................

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Lorendoc · #**52889** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 4:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Here's yet another 'mystery' location.

eBay

"1950'S TRANSPARENCY...ARNOLD'S LIQUORS,DINER'S CLUB, LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA".....................

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The city directories put this at 3894 S Western Avenue. The structures there today are not the ones there in the fifties.

Lorendoc · #**52890** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 5:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

..of course the first thing that caught my eye was the large gas-o-meter gas tank...

hmmm....I wonder why the older boy is dressed so much better than the little boy. Maybe they're not brothers after all. (they don't look alike either)

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They all look related to me. Look at the cheekbones. Surely dad was the photographer. Younger kid looks like he's dressed in a cowboy outfit or something. I think there was a discussion of a gasometer around Exposition Boulevard several years ago here?

CityBoyDoug · #**52891** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'Mystery' location.

Just for fun, here's the other negative that includes the little boy's mom and older brother.

#2

That's quite a bow on mom's head.

hmmm....I wonder why the older boy is dressed so much better than the little boy. Maybe they're not brothers after all. (they don't look alike either)

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I doubt that's the mother of those boys. Looks to me more like an aunt. Grandmother? For that era she's dressed like an older lady.

ethereal_reality · #**52892** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 9:26 PM**

re: L. A. schoolboy garden" location.

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Originally Posted by HossC

I think the photo may be earlier than 1923 as I couldn't find the California Macaroni Co in the CDs after 1917. That coincides with the dates of the Monarch Sign Co (small sign under the main one). Here's some addresses I found for the California Macaroni Co:

1902 - 228-230 Aliso
1906 - 801 Lyon
1912 - 226 N Los Angeles
1914 - 1516 Industrial
1917 - 631 San Fernando

The Monarch Sign Co was at 306 Boyd.

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA

I found a reference to the California Macaroni Company being at Los Angeles and Commercial in 1911, that would comport with your 200 block of North Los Angeles Street.
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And per Noir Noir's 1905 newspaper clipping. ...The corner of Lyon and Ramirez streets.

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Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Los Angeles Herald - 3 September 1905

Thanks for all the help, guys! (but I'm in a bit of a dither)

If I want to search for the school (and garden) that was located near the macaroni factory, as shown in the ebay photograph, which location would you suggest I use?

As a reminder, a stamp on the back of the photo is dated July 17, 1923. . .but an earlier stamp, that I just now noticed, is dated March 14th 1918....LINK

P.S....Since there aren't any schoolgirls in the photograph maybe the garden project was sponsored by an all-boys school. . .or even a reform school. (?)

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odinthor · #**52893** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 5:06 AM**

The corner of Lyon and Ramirez Streets, from the 1909 Bird's Eye map:

LOC https://www.loc.gov/item/2005632465/

CaliNative · #**52894** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 6:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

I doubt that's the mother of those boys. Looks to me more like an aunt. For that era she's dressed like an older lady.

I was about the age of the younger kid about then, and wore my Davy Crockett racoon cap proudly. "Davy, Davy Crockett, KING of the wild frontier". I remember my baby sitter has saddle shoes and a pony tail. Most of the young ladies had pony tails back then. Sort of a female version of a racoon cap. And I remember the gasometers, especially the big ones just east of City Hall near Brew 102. My dad said they kept the Goodyear blimp inside. And I remember the backyard incinerators and the frequent hazy air and smog alerts. Wheeze. And the Richfield Tower, so pretty at night with the spire all lit up. I miss that building.

ScottyB · #**52895** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 7:08 AM**

Last minute Halloween greetings to everyone!

HDL

(verso)

httpshdl.huntington.orgdigitalcollectionp15150coll2id19152rec9

Opposite St Vibiana's I presume.

And if the phone rings in the middle of the night- don't answer! It might be the Night Operator....

PMH

Scott Charles · #**52896** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 7:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by CaliNative

And I remember the backyard incinerators and the frequent hazy air and smog alerts. Wheeze. And the Richfield Tower, so pretty at night with the spire all lit up. I miss that building.

CaliNative, did the lights on the Richfield Tower flash or animate in any way? This is what Wikipedia says:

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Lighting on the tower was made to simulate an oilwell gusher and the motif was reused at some Richfield service stations.

This makes it sound like the lights would turn on from top to bottom (to simulate a gusher), but Wikipedia doesn't really explain it in detail.

Does any movie film exist of the Richfield Tower at night?

Scott Charles · #**52897** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 7:37 AM**

By the way, I have the strangest “memory” of the Richfield Tower. It was nightime and we were in my dad's '66 Mustang, driving south on the Harbor Freeway.

As we passed the Richfield Tower, my dad pointed and told me to “look at the lights!” - and I distinctly remember looking out the window and seeing the animated lighting on the Richfield Tower. I can still see it as vividly as if it had happened yesterday.

It may well be a false memory, as I was only three years old when the Tower was demolished (1969). Yet I feel absolutely certain that it really happened!

On the other hand, my mom took me downtown to ride on Angels Flight before it was removed from its original location right next to Third Street. Our visit took place on one of the very last days before the funicular was shut down.

I remember that visit absolutely, without any doubt whatsoever, and that happened in 1969, too - so perhaps my memory is better than I'm giving it credit for.

CaliNative · #**52898** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 8:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles

CaliNative, did the lights on the Richfield Tower flash or animate in any way? This is what Wikipedia says:

This makes it sound like the lights would turn on from top to bottom (to simulate a gusher), but Wikipedia doesn't really explain it in detail.

Does any movie film exist of the Richfield Tower at night?

^^^
I don't recall any animation like a simulated gusher. Maybe that was earlier, in the 1920s-1950s? I was born in the early 1950s, so my recollection of the tower is from about 1958-68/69 (when it was torn down). I just remember the colorful globe on the top, and the "Richfield" lettering all lit up. Maybe the animation was for special occasions, or only earlier in the tower's history. Like you, I just saw it driving with my parents down the Harbor Freeway on the way to my grandparents house in the late 1950s-1960s. Maybe a REAL oldtimer will recollect the animation feature. Hopefully somebody has a film somewhere. That building was gorgeous. The 52 story twins or some variation could have been built around it or on an adjacent lot. Such a loss.

My hope and dream is that someday a taller version that pays homage to the original is built somewhere in DTLA, maybe 900 feet tall with a 350 foot spire with a globe on top, all lit up at night. Of course brown and gold. A neo-deco neo-Richfield, our Empire State building, 1250 feet high. The Empire State went up a couple of years after the Richfield. The top of the ES has features and shape similar to the Richfield, with an "oil derrick" spire being replaced by a "dirigible mast". I do think it likely that the ES designers "borrowed" from the Richfield, with the tapered derrick replaced by a tapered dirigible mast. Compare the top of the ES with the top of the Richfield, and you will see similarities.

BillinGlendaleCA · #**52899** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 9:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles

By the way, I have the strangest “memory” of the Richfield Tower. It was nightime and we were in my dad's '66 Mustang, driving south on the Harbor Freeway.

As we passed the Richfield Tower, my dad pointed and told me to “look at the lights!” - and I distinctly remember looking out the window and seeing the animated lighting on the Richfield Tower. I can still see it as vividly as if it had happened yesterday.

It may well be a false memory, as I was only three years old when the Tower was demolished (1969). Yet I feel absolutely certain that it really happened!

On the other hand, my mom took me downtown to ride on Angels Flight before it was removed from its original location right next to Third Street. Our visit took place on one of the very last days before the funicular was shut down.

I remember that visit absolutely, without any doubt whatsoever, and that happened in 1969, too - so perhaps my memory is better than I'm giving it credit for.

I'm 6 years older than you and I must have seen the Richfiield Tower*, but I have no memory of it. As a Cub Scout, our den when down and took a ride on Angles Flight before it was dismantled for storage(it was only going to be a few years).

*I do have one of the metal models of it sitting above my desk now.

Scott Charles · #**52900** Posted **Nov 1, 2019, 2:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by CaliNative

^^^
Maybe a REAL oldtimer will recollect the animation feature. Hopefully somebody has a film somewhere. That building was gorgeous. The 52 story twins or some variation could have been built around it or on an adjacent lot. Such a loss.

I agree, it was a beautiful building (which is why I use it as my avatar). It really should be a crime to destroy something so beautiful and historic.

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA

I'm 6 years older than you and I must have seen the Richfiield Tower*, but I have no memory of it. As a Cub Scout, our den when down and took a ride on Angles Flight before it was dismantled for storage(it was only going to be a few years).

Memory can be funny at times. I stayed in Manhattan prior to 2001, and the one thing I have no memory of? The World Trade Center. And in all of the dozens of photos I took in New York, not one of them shows the WTC. Not even in the background.

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Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA

*I do have one of the metal models of it sitting above my desk now.

Very cool, is it one of these? I've been meaning to purchase a few models from this website.

https://www.replicabuildings.com/pro...ichfield%20oil