What are the expected new CMAs/CAs to be added in the next Census numbers?

YannickTO · #1 Posted **Jan 17, 2017, 5:40 PM**

Hi !!

With the Census 2016 numbers expected soon, I was wondering if anyone had an idea of what will be the CAs that are expecting to become CMAs? Lethbridge and Kamloops comes to mind.

Also, are there any new CAs throughout the country that will make it into the 10k population list? Any of them disappearing out the list?

Thoughts? Any big changes this year with Census numbers?

GreaterMontréal · #2 Posted **Jan 17, 2017, 8:04 PM**

St-Jean-sur-Richelieu and St-Lin were added to the Montréal CMA. St-Jean would have became a CMA in the near future.

YannickTO · #3 Posted **Jan 17, 2017, 8:35 PM**

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St-Jean-sur-Richelieu and St-Lin were added to the Montréal CMA. St-Jean would have became a CMA in the near future.

That's good news. Saint-Jérôme, Chateauguay and L'Assomption were already in the CMA, it made no sense for Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu to not be included. Thanks for the news!

GreaterMontréal · #4 Posted **Jan 17, 2017, 8:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by YannickTO

That's good news. Saint-Jérôme, Chateauguay and L'Assomption were already in the CMA, it made no sense for Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu to not be included. Thanks for the news!

Salaberry-de-Valleyfield n'est pas included in the CMA cependant.

Gdoggy · #5 Posted **Jan 17, 2017, 11:14 PM**

There are 2 new CMA's for 2016 Census

Belleville, Ontario
Lethbridge, Alberta

New CA's

Gander, NL
Sainte-Marie, QC
Arnprior, ON
Carleton Place, ON
Wasaga Beach, ON
Winkler, MB
Weyburn, SK
Nelson, BC

No longer CA's

Amos, QC
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, QC (merged with the CMA of Montreal)
Temiskaming Shores, ON

YannickTO · #6 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 8:01 AM**

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There are 2 new CMA's for 2016 Census

Belleville, Ontario
Lethbridge, Alberta

New CA's

Gander, NL
Sainte-Marie, QC
Arnprior, ON
Carleton Place, ON
Wasaga Beach, ON
Winkler, MB
Weyburn, SK
Nelson, BC

No longer CA's

Amos, QC
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, QC (merged with the CMA of Montreal)
Temiskaming Shores, ON

Very interesting, thanks for the info. Hopefully, they will now identify Belleville as Belleville-Trenton.

isaidso · #7 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 9:22 AM**

Fredericton and Nanaimo as new CMAs?

Taeolas · #8 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 12:57 PM**

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Fredericton and Nanaimo as a new CMAs?

Next Census for Fredericton. It takes 2 census cycles at CMA numbers to officially become a CMA. After a very near miss in 2006 (around 200 people IIRC), Freddy (and possibly Nanaimo?) just hit CMA numbers in 2016, so they will become CMAs after the 2021 census.

YannickTO · #9 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 1:04 PM**

To be honest, CMA or CA, at the end of the day, the classification doesn't really matter. It's the metro areas chart. I never separate the CMAs and the CAs when I look at Canada's metro areas. They all blend together.

I think the debate is whether a metro area should disappear and be added into a bigger one. CMA or CA, it doesn't matter.

Acajack · #10 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 2:10 PM**

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Very interesting, thanks for the info. Hopefully, they will now identify Belleville as Belleville-Trenton.

Or Belleville-Quinte West? (Trenton does not exist as a municipality anymore.)

Gdoggy · #11 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 2:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by YannickTO

To be honest, CMA or CA, at the end of the day, the classification doesn't really matter. It's the metro areas chart. I never separate the CMAs and the CAs when I look at Canada's metro areas. They all blend together.

I think the debate is whether a metro area should disappear and be added into a bigger one. CMA or CA, it doesn't matter.

the difference is CA's can be dissolved, CMAs cannot

example Amos, QC is no longer a CA due to population loss for the CA, it no longer meets the minimum criteria

CMAs however, can fall below minimum but cannot be dissolved

YannickTO · #12 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 2:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gdoggy

the difference is CA's can be dissolved, CMAs cannot

example Amos, QC is no longer a CA due to population loss for the CA, it no longer meets the minimum criteria

CMAs however, can fall below minimum but cannot be dissolved

Yeah, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. It's a metro area. CMA, CA or whatever classification, a metro area is a metro area. Even if it loses people, Amos still exists as a place.

JHikka · #13 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 4:11 PM**

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Yeah, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. It's a metro area. CMA, CA or whatever classification, a metro area is a metro area. Even if it loses people, Amos still exists as a place.

It does but the CMA distinction typically indicates actual built-up urban areas that are far larger than CAs. CAs are mostly just regional towns. It's a pretty accurate separation in classification IMO and being a CMA means that other census data is collected for your area and reported on quarterly or annually.

CMAs give a pretty good idea of how far of a reach an urban centre has on its periphery areas and how much sprawl there is or isn't.

MonctonRad · #14 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 5:24 PM**

Having CMA status is very important. It automatically conveys that you are one of Canada's larger cities (top 30-35), and have regional clout.

As JHikka pointed out, much more statistical data is collected about CMAs, and this is vitally important information for businesses or retailers planning on nationwide expansions.

Being a CMA gives a city enhanced status........

Taeolas · #15 Posted **Jan 18, 2017, 6:21 PM**

Exactly. That extra data is part (the main?) reason that a city needs CMA level 2 cycles in a row; I would assume that they are collecting full CMA data for Freddy and other borderline communities this cycle, and next time when/if they get upgraded, they have 2 cycles worth of data to show trends with.

Personally, I'm just a bit excited for Freddy to break into the CMA club; it means the city is finally in the big leagues (so to speak) and hopefully it will encourage more growth going forward.

I think CMA status is a bigger thing for more isolated areas like Freddy, than it is for the cities in the GGH or the QC-Windsor corridor. For us out here, it means we are still growing and still worth paying attention to. For places like Belleville, it's important locally; but it's just another CMA filling the gap along the 401 so to speak; it doesn't feel as important in that light.

isaidso · #16 Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 1:35 AM**

New Brunswick will become the 5th province with 3 CMAs soon.

Pavlov · #17 Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 1:47 AM**

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Or Belleville-Quinte West? (Trenton does not exist as a municipality anymore.)

Is Prince Edward County included?

Acajack · #18 Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 1:56 AM**

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Is Prince Edward County included?

I don't think it was in the CA anyway.

JHikka · #19 Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 2:08 AM**

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New Brunswick will become the 5th province with 3 CMAs soon.

For 2021 yes. Fredericton barely missed the cut for 2016. There's been a lot of growth in the city the past few years and a lot of suburban sprawl growth in the South and West. Its CA boundaries have grown further to bump it well above the 100K needed for CMA status. In fact, all three NB CMAs saw CMA boundary growth in 2016, for better or worse. Moncton's predicted CMA growth in 2021 should give it another 10K to 20K in total population once Shediac is added. We'll know once commuter patterns are released from the 2016 Census.

YEG · #20 Posted **Jan 19, 2017, 2:17 AM**

Red Deer should qualify for the next round.