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Old Posted Mar 20, 2016, 1:25 AM
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Cut and cover is cheaper, but it doesn't explain the cost differential. NYC's tunneling costs are way out of whack with the rest of the world.

I've heard the sandhog union is a huge problem though, that might explain some of it.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 6:54 PM
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Cut and cover is cheaper, but it doesn't explain the cost differential. NYC's tunneling costs are way out of whack with the rest of the world.

I've heard the sandhog union is a huge problem though, that might explain some of it.

i dont see anything way out of whack with this initial funding of phase II:

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 7:02 PM
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Cut and cover is cheaper, but it doesn't explain the cost differential. NYC's tunneling costs are way out of whack with the rest of the world.

I've heard the sandhog union is a huge problem though, that might explain some of it.
Construction labor costs in NYC are probably higher than anywhere on the planet. Regulations in the U.S., generally, and in NYC, specifically, are more rigorous than anywhere.

You aren't going to fix this anytime soon.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2016, 8:20 PM
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i dont see anything way out of whack with this initial funding of phase II:
I do. It's 5 years and half a billion dollars and not any actual construction.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2016, 12:26 AM
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Compare NYC's construction costs to other major cities:

https://pedestrianobservations.wordp...ruction-costs/
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2016, 7:39 AM
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I do. It's 5 years and half a billion dollars and not any actual construction.
what part about 'preliminary construction/utilities' or moving utilities, which is the largest expense in that budget and btw is always multiple times more complicated in manhattan than elsewhere, is not "actual construction?"
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2016, 8:21 PM
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what part about 'preliminary construction/utilities' or moving utilities, which is the largest expense in that budget and btw is always multiple times more complicated in manhattan than elsewhere, is not "actual construction?"
Utilities relocation is never considered actual construction. And Manhattan isn't the only dense area in the world ya know.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2016, 1:03 PM
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Utilities relocation is never considered actual construction.
the whole budget is clearly for construction and moving utilities is probably going to be the most complicated aspect of the whole project. unless you think digging tunnels and laying track is the only construction in building subway lines.

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And Manhattan isn't the only dense area in the world ya know.
and ya know i didn't say that it was.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2016, 11:43 PM
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the whole budget is clearly for construction and moving utilities is probably going to be the most complicated aspect of the whole project. unless you think digging tunnels and laying track is the only construction in building subway lines..
Utilities relocations is not the most complicated part of this project (how laughable). Utility relocation is generally considered "pre-construction", it occurs before the start of actual construction.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2016, 4:21 PM
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Utilities relocations is not the most complicated part of this project (how laughable). Utility relocation is generally considered "pre-construction", it occurs before the start of actual construction.
utilities are always more complicated in manhattan yes. and yes this is part of preliminary construction, but you'll note the word construction, so you are just arguing semantics. there will be also post construction stages as well, ie., testing and the like, so there is a long way to go, and you may not like the schedule, no one does, but this project is underway and the work will be done. tunneling or whatever you are looking for will happen when it was supposed to happen, that's in the next budget because all this current work needs to be done first. so draw your lines wherever you like, but the important thing is it's on.
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http://abc7ny.com/news/investigators...tests/1261052/

INVESTIGATORS EXCLUSIVE: ON-THE-JOB 2ND AVENUE SUBWAY WORKERS FAIL DRUG, ALCOHOL TESTS

By Jim Hoffer on Thursday, March 24, 2016 06:23PM

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UPPER EAST SIDE, Manhattan (WABC) -- During the last two weeks, dozens of workers at the Second Avenue Subway construction site had to line up at a mobile testing van to take alcohol and drug tests.

A whistleblower tipped off the Eyewitness News Investigators to the crackdown following our undercover report of workers at construction sites on the West Side drinking heavily during their lunch breaks, a story that prompted a quick response from city officials.

"The Second Avenue subway job is out of control," the whistleblower wrote. "Pills, cocaine, liquor, pot, I have witnessed it all."

The MTA did confirm that 82 workers were tested for drugs and alcohol, and that nine of them failed and were immediately fired.

"That is an extraordinary high number," construction safety attorney Alan Ripka said of the 11 percent fail rate. "If the percentages are that, statistically, it shows you it is likely other people would have problems as well and obviously should be tested."

Joseph Malandro is the president of E.E. Cruz, one of the general contractors on the project.

"They will bring the testing truck back several more times unannounced until we feel comfortable everyone is drug and alcohol free," he said. "We want a safe workplace for everybody."

But in one of several emails sent by the whistleblower, he suggests that the random testing is not so random.

"We have testing, but it's a joke," he wrote. "The foreman ask if you can pass before they send you to the truck. If not, they send you home."

To get around that, Malandro said they are testing more often and at different times, including early in the morning. Eyewitness News has learned that the nine workers fired were tested around 8 a.m.

"Clearly shows this is a rampant problem, and the question is why," Ripka said. "These supervisors must know what's going on. You can see their bloodshot eyes, smell alcohol on their breaths."
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2016, 1:38 PM
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This is no surprise. The NYC construction Unions are full of drug use and drinking.

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"The Second Avenue subway job is out of control," the whistleblower wrote. "Pills, cocaine, liquor, pot, I have witnessed it all."
He sounds surprised.

Kinda how they seem surprised when they find out construction companies try to violate city codes to get projects on time. Welcome to NYC construction people.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2016, 7:03 PM
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Yikes, I never knew that about construction in NYC. There was a video earlier about workers drinking beer near Hudson Yards if I remember correctly.
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I was walking around 63rd Street yesterday and saw the entrances to the new station there. They look very nice. I guess it does really exist!
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2016, 10:03 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...4129?cid=bitly

EXCLUSIVE: Second Ave. subway project will receive additional $1B in funding from state budget

By Kenneth Lovett on Thursday, March 31, 2016

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ALBANY — The new state budget will include an additional $1 billion for the ongoing Second Ave. subway project in New York City, the Daily News has learned.

A source said Gov. Cuomo successfully pushed for the additional funding during the state budget negotiations.

The extra money for the Second Ave. subway would bring the total funding in the budget for the project to $1.535 billion.

The first phase of the project, which added three new stations and expanded another, is set to go online in December.

The funding from the still-emerging state budget would be earmarked for the coming second phase of the project that will extend the subway north from Second Ave. and 96th Street to 125th St. and Lexington Ave., with the creation of three new stations.

It was unclear as of Thursday whether the $1.5 billion for the project in the new budget will be cash, borrowed, or a combination of both. A source said the funding will be spread out over several years.
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2016, 12:53 AM
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Good news. Nice to see Phase 2 moving right along.
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Old Posted Apr 12, 2016, 3:04 PM
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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/re...bway.html?_r=0

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Yorkville Bets on the Second Avenue Subway

By C.J. HUGHES APRIL 8, 2016

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The eastern Upper East Side, a subway desert, is about to see the end of its drought. In December, nine years after construction of the initial phase began — and decades after it was first proposed — the Second Avenue subway is scheduled to open.

For Yorkville residents, who have endured dust, explosions and barricades while workers burrowed tunnels under their feet, and who make long slogs to Lexington Avenue trains, that moment will probably be joyous.

But those who live in apartment buildings between Third and York Avenues, as well as those developing new ones, may already be celebrating: Their property is enjoying new attention and price premiums, a trend that doesn’t bode well for buyers in search of bargains.

“The subway has totally changed things,” said Michael Lorber, an associate broker with Douglas Elliman Real Estate at the Azure, a 128-unit condop at 333 East 91st Street and First Avenue, which began sales in 2008, the year the subway project started. In fall 2014, when Mr. Lorber and his team took over sales at the 34-story high-rise, developed by the DeMatteis Organizations and the Mattone Group, there were 25 unsold sponsor units. By late last month, he said, just three were left, at an average list price of $1,600 per square foot.

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MTA to vote on new budget after getting $1B more in state funds
By Danielle Furfaro April 16, 2016

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The MTA will vote on yet another capital budget next week — and this time, it will be a bit more robust.

The agency, buoyed by getting $1 billion more in the state budget than it expected, presented a new plan to board members Friday. They’ll vote on it Wednesday.

The $26 billion budget will include all the bells and whistles that Gov. Cuomo announced in January but weren’t actually in the capital plan at the time. They include renovating 31 stations, USB charging stations in subways and buses, and Wi-Fi in underground stops.

The windfall makes the Second Avenue Subway more secure and gives the MTA “a bit more to play with,’’ said an official.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2016, 6:27 PM
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might not open on time:


‘Unprecedented’ MTA construction pace needed in order to open Second Avenue Subway in December, engineer says

By Vincent Barone vin.barone@amny.com June 20, 2016

While the MTA is sticking to its targeted December opening of the Second Avenue Subway, an independent engineer overseeing the construction said it will take a “very aggressive and unprecedented performance” on behalf of the agency in order to do so.


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http://www.amny.com/transit/unpreced...ays-1.11943411
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2017, 3:24 PM
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Rumor that funding $15 billion for Second Avenue Subway phases I & II will be part of Trump's infrastructure bill push.
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