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Old Posted Mar 21, 2018, 2:38 AM
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mystery location

"1940s RPPC (real photo postcard) Presbyterian Conference Grounds, Pacific Palisades CA"


EBAY


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ROTATED: (doesn't say much..besides "4 of us in log cabin"




Amd here's a pic of the log cabins (mentioned above)


ebay



Does anyone know where this place was/is located?

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"1950 Photo American Legion Los Angeles CA Buzzer Treatment Convention Event"


EBAY

Oh those crazy conventions....poor women.


You remember these, right? we all had them


EBAY vintage / in original box / asking $58.85



Oh, I almost forgot. Here's how the press described the antics in the top photo.

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2018, 5:23 AM
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Aren't we maybe at the lot on Arcadia St. about halfway between Alameda and Los Angeles Sts., with Google and the slide photographer using different lenses?


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Thanks odinthor. Sorry, I didn't see your reply earlier.


so about here do ya think?

1957 Downtown Map

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Los Angeles Street between 8th and 9th

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Down the street a few blocks, a bustling market scene on San Pedro St and 9th in 1898.



This is apparently the area where the City Market South project is ongoing (?).....from their website:
The City Market South site was part of the oldest produce market in Los Angeles, and has been owned and operated by The City Market of Los Angeles since 1909. In 2013, downtown developer LENA Group conceptualized the vision for City Market South as a destination for dining, entertainment and creative businesses, and teamed with the long-time property owner to realize the project’s vision.


This is a wonderful photo! Thanks for posting it ScottyB.

However, I believe we are looking west across Los Angeles Street between 8th and 9th, c. 1900-03.

This is the 1906 Sanborn showing that block, with north on the right. Above "GELES" are 825 and 827 S. Los Angeles,
separated by a passageway (perhaps the photo was taken from the NW corner of the Hewes Market building?):



ProQuest via LAPL


Here are 825, the passageway, and 827 from the photo. Hanging out over the street, like it is on the map, is 825's awning.
I could not find an LACD that listed the Lem Yen & Co. Fruit Co.:



1998-0264 @ CA St Library


I think we can date the photo c. 1900-03 because of the building with the lettering on the NW corner of 8th and Los Angeles,
above and behind the wagonload of watermelons. I can make out "Ornamental," "Iron Fence," and "Ed Tri . . .":




That's Edward G. Trinkkeller at 115 E. 8th:



1900 LACD @ fold3.com


He's also there in 1901 and, for the last time at that address, in 1902:



1902 LACD @ fold3.com


In 1903 he's listed at 765 S. Los Angeles Street; that's almost certainly the NW corner of 8th and Los Angeles, so either
he relocated around the corner from 115 E. 8th, or it's the same location but renumbered.

EGT worked for others from 1895-99, and in 1904 he made cornices at 1720 S. Main St.

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Old Posted Mar 21, 2018, 7:21 AM
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mystery location

"1940s RPPC (real photo postcard) Presbyterian Conference Grounds, Pacific Palisades CA"


EBAY


Does anyone know where this place was/is located?

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I believe this is now the Temescal Canyon Conference and Retreat Center, part of Temescal Gateway Park on
Temescal Canyon Road north of Sunset Blvd. Maybe about here?

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Thanks odinthor. Sorry, I didn't see your reply earlier.


so about here do ya think?

1957 Downtown Map

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Aye, e_r, that's the place. That lot has two tiers, the one flush with Arcadia and an upper one entered off of Los Angeles St. They have changed the configuration of the upper lot; but once upon a time it sported some very precarious spaces next to the slope adjoining the upper lot, and once upon that same time it took me quite a lot of maneuvering skill--with the International Harvester Scout I've mentioned--to keep from tumbling down the slope. I think that was the time that, later in the day, I drove a couple hundred feet down Sunset on the wrong side of the street. --Don't look at me like that. I had been driving one-way streets for half an hour, and didn't think, "Oh, here we're back to two-way again." Perfectly, um, reasonable.

You haven't lived until you've seen a couple lanes of traffic aimed straight at your nose on Sunset.
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I believe this is now the Temescal Canyon Conference and Retreat Center, part of Temescal Gateway Park on
Temescal Canyon Road north of Sunset Blvd. Maybe about here?
The area originally was developed in 1922 as part of the West Coast Chautaqua. It then was purchased by the Presbyterian Synod as a retreat center in 1943. The property was sold to the Santa Monica Mountains Conservance in 1992. Some of the original building still stand on the property.
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That's Edward G. Trinkkeller at 115 E. 8th:



1900 LACD @ fold3.com


He's also there in 1901 and, for the last time, in 1902:



1902 LACD @ fold3.com


EGT worked for someone else in 1899, he's doesn't seem to be in the 1903 LACD, and in 1904 he made cornices on Main St.
Fantastic, FW! I am always amazed by your skills.
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Fantastic, FW! I am always amazed by your skills.
A little more digging on Edward Trinkeller reveals that he was born in Germany in January of 1873 and came to the US in about 1890. It also reveals that he did some ironwork for William Randolph Hearst for Hearst Castle, collaborating on the designs with architect Julia Morgan. He also did work for Edward Doheny, Will Rogers and Cecil B. DeMille among others

Home addresses that can be located for Edward Trinkkeller are 1820 Westmoreland Blvd, where he lived in 1922, 203 S. McCadden Place, where he is found in the census in 1930 and 208 S. Highland in 1936. All of these houses are still there and Westmoreland and McCadden have decorative ironwork. The house where he boarded in 1901 is also still there, and while there is ironwork there, it is of a much newer style.

His declaration of intention to become a US Citizen is dated 1903. He appears in a naturalization index in that year as well when he was living in Los Angeles. He became a US citizen in April of 1906.

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Thanks ScottyB and oldstuff. I'd never heard of Trinkkeller before, but I guess he's semi-famous.

His papers are at Cal Poly SLO, and if you go to the Calisphere search page and enter "Trinkkeller" you get photos of him and his work.
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Here's a shot of the Stratford that was on eBay recently.

Wish I had won it; I dig this era of amateur snaps. Hope I'm not doing its new owner too much of a disservice by disseminating it here. (Heaven knows a hefty portion of my collection has ended up on the internet via screengrabs.)




And I couldn't help tinkering with it a little—



Anyway, the Stratford was designed by Frank F. Rasche in 1925. In the early '20s he was producing commercial and residential—

books.google.com and you can learn more about Rasche here.


Here is the interior, in a postcard sold by Cardcow.



One of us really needs to go into the Stratford today and see how it compares.

We've seen the Stratford before, like here, which had another eBay-grabbed vintage shot, this one from 1942:



I'll tell you something else that's interesting, the permit for the rooftop sign dates to March of 1926. That's really early for a neon sign. Could win the "oldest extant sign in LA" contest. (Someone was telling me recently that the Theosophy Hall rooftop neon on 33rd might be the oldest, but this predates that by years.)

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I believe this is now the Temescal Canyon Conference and Retreat Center, part of Temescal Gateway Park on
Temescal Canyon Road north of Sunset Blvd. Maybe about here?
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The area originally was developed in 1922 as part of the West Coast Chautaqua. It then was purchased by the Presbyterian Synod as a retreat center in 1943. The property was sold to the Santa Monica Mountains Conservance in 1992. Some of the original building still stand on the property.
Thanks Flyingwedge and oldstuff.

When I live in L.A. a very good friend lived (she still does) off of Chautauqua, and not once did I take the time to ponder why it was named Chautauqua.




Anyhoo...

"Chautauqua camp with tents, Temescal Canyon, Calilornia." [c.1922]


Santa Monica Library Archive





"Chautauqua gathering at the amphitheater, Temescal Canyon, Calif." [c.1925]


Santa Monica Library Archive




"Chautauqua Assembly Camp with casitas(?) shaded by oak trees, Temescal Canyon, Calif." [c.1935]


Santa Monica Library Archive



a bit more info:


Santa Monica Library Archive


bought by Presbyterian Church in the 1940

Santa Monica Library Archive


Chautauqua ended in 1934.

from a 1936 newspaper article

Santa Monica Library Archive

I wonder how many buildings from the Chautauqua era are still at the site.

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the International Harvester Scout I've mentioned.
I had forgotten all about your International Harvester Scout odinthor.


Was it like this one in the Gidget tv series


IMDB



or was it more like this one that appeared in
CHIPs? [season 5 episode 6?]


IMDB




OR..... was it greenish like this one in Adam-12


IMDB


Remind me again, what your Scout looked like .....and what year? (it was no doubt good for gardening / or was this before your gardening years? )

The pic is missing in your earlier post...but my cousins' is still there.
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gsv

I hate to say it but this how much of the 3rd world looks today. The once elegant LA has deteriorated into a decrepit sinister jungle.

Is LA the new Calcutta or whatever...


GSV
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I found this intriguing cabinet card photograph a year or so ago on ebay. (I'm just now going thru around some old files)

There wasn't much information in the seller's description.

"Cabinet Card- Charles' Crowd - Large Group Men Women Hats Fancy Dresses 1890-1900"




After a long time searching for clues, I noticed the ladies' FAN in the center of the photograph.







rotated / enlarged





Let's take an even closer look, shall we.



Ah-Ha Jacoby Bros!


1888


lapl


by 1890, brother Charles has moved from New York to 665 South Hope St. in Los Angeles.


lapl

Could this be the Charles that is mentioned on the back of the card? [Charles Jacoby]



Does anyone know what Charles Jacoby looked like? I bet he's the guy to the left of the lovely lady with the fan. (her right)

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I had forgotten all about your International Harvester Scout odinthor.


Was it like this one in the Gidget tv series


IMDB



or was it more like this one that appeared in
CHIPs? [season 5 episode 6?]


IMDB




OR..... was it greenish like this one in Adam-12


IMDB


Remind me again, what your Scout looked like .....and what year? (it was no doubt good for gardening / or was this before your gardening years? )

The pic is missing in your earlier post...but my cousins' is still there.
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Thanks, e_r--as luck would have it, I just last week ran across the photo taken of it and its driver just after purchase in 1974 . . . (um, the vehicle was purchased; the driver was free) . . . The Scout was theoretically convertible; but I never did get around to taking off the top.


odinthor collection

This must be among the last pix taken of me before I grew a moustache!

And I well remember that very itchy polyester shirt. That was one top I was always glad to take off.
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I found this intriguing cabinet card photograph a year or so ago on ebay. (I'm just now going thru around some old files)

There wasn't much information in the seller's description.

"Cabinet Card- Charles' Crowd - Large Group Men Women Hats Fancy Dresses 1890-1900"




After a long time searching for clues, I noticed the ladies' FAN in the center of the photograph.







rotated / enlarged





Let's take an even closer look, shall we.



Ah-Ha Jacoby Bros!


1888


lapl


by 1890, brother Charles has moved from New York to 665 South Hope St. in Los Angeles.


lapl

Could this be the Charles that is mentioned on the back of the card? [Charles Jacoby]



Does anyone know what Charles Jacoby looked like? I bet he's the guy to the left of the lovely lady with the fan. (her right)

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My notes have everything . . . but what you're asking for, e_r. Sorry.

Jacoby Bros. 1868, acquired from Jose Mascarel and Jose del Refugio Bilderrain a lot on the east side of Los Angeles St. north of 1st St.; clothing store located (1875) in the Downey Block, soon moving south across the street into A. Portugal’s former premises in the Temple Block; partnership comprised of Abraham, Charles, Herman, Lesser, Morris, and Nathan Jacoby.

Jacoby, Abraham ca. 1852, born in Prussia; 1870, present in Wilmington district as a merchant’s clerk; died August 15, 1919.
Jacoby, Charles 1872, corner Los Angeles St.; see also Harris & Jacoby.
Jacoby, Herman ca. 1842, born in Prussia; June, 1870, married Matilda; 1870, present in Wilmington district as a general merchant with savings of $7,500 and real estate valued at $1,750; died April 8, 1913.
(I have nothing for an Isaac N. Jacoby, nor Morris.)
Jacoby, Lesser 1872, clerk Wilmington.
Jacoby, Nathan H. ca. 1839, born in Prussia; ca. 1860, arrived in L.A., staying for about a year with Harris Newmark, who had known him in Europe; subsequently worked for Kremer; then had his own place; then was the senior partner in Jacoby Bros. (q.v.); 1870, present in Wilmington district as a general merchant with savings of $7,500 and real estate valued at $1,750; 1872, general merchandise, Wilmington; November 23, 1911, died; sons Morris M. and Grover I.

also

Harris (I.) & Jacoby (C.) 1872, gents’ furnishings, books, tobacco, etc. 63 Main St.
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Let's take an even closer look, shall we.



Ah-Ha Jacoby Bros!


1888


lapl



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Love the zoom-in sleuthing, er! Do you suppose there is a connection to the current-day ubiquitous billboard law firm of Jacoby and Myers? (Who, interestingly, seem to be headquartered in the old home of Engine Co. No. 28 at 644 S Fig. I'm sure this building has been discussed here but my feeble search attempt couldn't locate.)


LAPL (1978)

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Another photograph from 'Devils Walk' lady. (her green fingernail is visible at left)

Broadway Tunnel 1926

ebay
I stumbled across this old post of yours a while back, ER. I LOVE the photo, but hate the distortion (and that banged-up fingernail, too! ). The right-hand-side of the photo (just look at that curved utility pole!) in particular was really killing me.

So here's the version I made in Photoshop where I did my best to get rid of the distortion and reflections in the original image:



I figured I'd post it here just in case anyone wanted a copy.

Sorry for the bump of a post from all the way back on page 689!

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