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re: Tivoli / New Vienna Buffet / Cineograph

This rare photograph of Court Street was originally found on ebay. [undated]


ebay / no longer listed


"An undated view of 16 Court Street (later 114 Court Street*), here unused as a theater.
The photograph shows the south side of Court St. with 114 Court Street at the center.
The storefront is something called L.C. Steel's -- 114 and 116 are visible on two of its doors.
Upstairs are the "Corona Rooms."
Main is down at the left, Spring St. is around the corner to the right."
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The building began life October 18, 1890 as the Tivoli Theatre, but the Tivoli didn't last long.
By December 1890 it was closed and furniture sold to pay its debts. The Tivoli was operated
by the Perry brothers (E.H. and J. H).

info from Downtown Los Angeles Theaters




New life as the New Vienna Buffet

Sometime prior to 1894 the building reopened as the New Vienna Buffet and gained a reputation as a DEN of VICE.

We touched on some of the VICE earlier on NLA.
link > > >Den of Vice

the earlier post includes this photograph of the New Vienna Buffet (middle of pic)

detail / complete (colorize) pic here: rCarlton

HossC included this section in a panorama here: Panorama


In the 1894 city directory shows the site as "restaurant, wines, liquors, amusement hall, F. Kerkow, prop. 10-16 Court."
The 'Vienna was listed with the new 114-116 Court St. address in an 1895 Chamber of Commerce members list.

1894 Sanborn Map

https://sites.google.com/site/downto...stheatres/Home




The Cineograph

The building that housed the defunct 'New Vienna Buffet' reopened as the Cineograph in September 1902 with a combination of movies and vaudeville
with the movie bill changing daily. It lasted as the Cineograph at least into 1910.

1910 Baist map

http://www.historicmapworks.com/


As far as I know, there are no photographs of the building when it was the Cineograph Theater.
I even checked Cinema Treasures. They have it listed...but no photographs

So get to work sleuths!






side-note:

The original Vienna Buffet was located in the basement of a new building at Main and Requena St.
as reported in the January 25, 1888 Los Angeles Herald. (Requena St. was later renamed Market St.)

Does anyone know what building was located at Requena & Main in 1888?

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The original Vienna Buffet was located in the basement of a new building at Main and Requena St.
as reported in the January 25, 1888 Los Angeles Herald. (Requena St. was later renamed Market St.)

Does anyone know what building was located at Requena & Main in 1888?
The 1888 CD says the Vienna Buffet was on the NE corner of Requena and Main. Doesn't that put it in the Amestoy Building? The picture below is from 1955.

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That would be very cool if it was located in the basement of the Amestoy.

& I had forgotten about the 'Stake Out'. (visible in Hoss' slide , to the right of the Rexall)
We discussed it many moons ago. It was a popular cop hang-out.
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If I remember correctly, the Amestoy was the first building in Los Angeles to have an elevator.
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The seller also had this slide for sale.

This location is more of a mystery. The best clue is probably the Safeway grocery store on the far right.---->


http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/...0,0,0&format=0



below: This view gives you a better view of the lumber co. on the left. (I think the name on the building might be 'Blanchard'.


http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/...0,0,0&format=0

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I believe this is the North Hollywood station. View is looking East, street in background would be Lankershim Blvd. Third track over has no trolly wires and is the SP Burbank/Chandler branch. West from here both the PE and SP shaired track.

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Old Posted May 31, 2017, 12:54 AM
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Thanks for your help Paul, but I believe Wig Wag solved the mystery a few years ago.

It's good to see the slides again.
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Has anyone heard of a Noah's Ark in Venice?

Feb. 25, 1925

Jericl Cat flickr



I'm surprised I've never heard of it before.

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New Vienna Buffet on Court Street

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This rare photograph of Court Street was originally found on ebay. [undated]


ebay / no longer listed


New life as the New Vienna Buffet

Sometime prior to 1894 the building reopened as the New Vienna Buffet and gained a reputation as a DEN of VICE.

We touched on some of the VICE earlier on NLA.
link > > >Den of Vice

the earlier post includes this photograph of the New Vienna Buffet (middle of pic)

detail / complete (colorize) pic here: rCarlton

HossC included this section in a panorama here: Panorama

In the 1894 city directory shows the site as "restaurant, wines, liquors, amusement hall, F. Kerkow, prop. 10-16 Court."
The 'Vienna was listed with the new 114-116 Court St. address in an 1895 Chamber of Commerce members list.
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Hey, I really like that ebay pic of Court Street, e_r. I don't think I've ever seen a shot of that block from that angle.

Here's an ad for the New Vienna Buffet when it was on Court Street, c. 1894:



GPF.2725 at Seaver Center


This is a close-up from the ad; the mezzanine ceiling looks a bit low:


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That's great....I ever thought I'd get to see inside. Thanks so much FW.

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This is a close-up from the ad; the mezzanine ceiling looks a bit low:

It shows the mezz/balcony btw. floors here. [1894 Sanborn]


Notice there was another one, albeit shorter, on the opposite wall.

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That's great....I ever thought I'd get to see inside. Thanks so much FW.


It shows the mezz/balcony btw. floors here. [1894 Sanborn]


Notice there was another one, albeit shorter, on the opposite wall.

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Then below this mezzanine seating MIGHT be some of the private alcove booths made to good use in later dowdier times by Irish Annie and her cohorts to rob some swells ??
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That would be very cool if it was located in the basement of the Amestoy.

& I had forgotten about the 'Stake Out'. (visible in Hoss' slide , to the right of the Rexall)
We discussed it many moons ago. It was a popular cop hang-out.
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If I remember correctly, the Amestoy was the first building in Los Angeles to have an elevator.
I think the Amestoy was 1883 . . . ? I have a note, deriving from Jackson Graves' My Seventy Years in California, crediting 1881 as bringing L.A. its first passenger elevator (i.e., as opposed to dumb-waiter), installed in the Nadeau Hotel.
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I recently found a minor but unexpected connection to Noirish LA.

In the course of doing some family history work, I tracked down a bunch of first cousins of my grandmother. Among these was a Frank Cox, for whom I found a 1944 California death certificate at Ancestry.com. The death happened in Los Angeles County, so I checked the LA Times hoping for an obituary. No luck. Instead I found this:


LAT 8/27/44

Things did not turn out well:


LAT 9/7/44


LA EH&E 9/8/44


LA DN 9/9/44



LA Ex 9/9/44


The location of the murder was 339 S. Figueroa, the Hotel La Tosca (not 3395 S. Fig as the the Evening Herald and Express had it). Totally appropriate name for a stabbing venue, I'd say. The owner of the hotel evidently had enough pull to keep its name out of the papers.

Here is a view of the Hotel La Tosca. We are looking north, the intersection at the bottom is Figueroa and 4th. The hotel was demolished in the 60s.


USC Digital Library

And another, with reverse-color signage was posted by Godzilla back on page 1443.




My grandma was a very genteel Nashvillean, and I can't imagine her talking about her unfortunate cousin in polite company and certainly I never heard this story from family.
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Can't be LAX. I'm looking at the curved roadway. This curve would have to be somewhere between terminals 3 and 4. Before the early 1980s when the Tom Bradley International terminal was built, there was nothing but a flat wall between 3 and 4.
Sometime in my past I've been there, possibly SFO?

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Has anyone heard of a Noah's Ark in Venice?

Feb. 25, 1925

Jericl Cat flickr



I'm surprised I've never heard of it before.

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sure Ive seen that drunk mannequin before



From 'The Circus'
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The location of the murder was 339 S. Figueroa, the Hotel La Tosca (not 3395 S. Fig as the the Evening Herald and Express had it). Totally appropriate name for a stabbing venue, I'd say. The owner of the hotel evidently had enough pull to keep its name out of the papers.
Amazing how often information is inaccurate across news stories. Her age is given as 32, 33 and 38, while his is given as 36, 38 and 39.
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Los Angeles County
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Bureau of Investigation
January 1977


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1977-LO...8AAOSwR5dXRE0T (you can see close-ups of some of the people with this link)

asking $75

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update: I just found 1968 too.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1968-LO...kAAOSwfY9XQbZB

asking $75

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detail with sign.






and this one includes the names of everyone.


1968 names


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I don't see the name Hamilton Burger anywhere...?
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Literary inaccuracy

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This rare photograph of Court Street was originally found on ebay. [undated]


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1894 Sanborn Map

https://sites.google.com/site/downto...stheatres/Home
1910 Baist map

http://www.historicmapworks.com/
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In « The Big Sleep » (chapter 26), Raymond Chandler writes « She's in an apartment house at 28 Court Street, up on Bunker Hill. Apartment 301. » The action takes place by 1939 and this first section of the street has been cleared for a long time by then. The 28 was down Bunker Hill and they weren't modern apartment houses on that section. I guess he wrote thinking of a picturesque and attractive street of his youth in which he didn't return. This unlikely address is reiterated by Humphrey Bogart (Philip Marlowe) in the movie...
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Chester Place Apartments, 2141 Estrella

This building is on the NW corner of Estrella and 23rd Street, just across from the north entrance to Chester Place.
It was built in 1912; the building permit is dated December 26, 1911, with the architect F. A. Noyes, Jr. Here's the
BP listed in the December 31, 1911, Los Angeles Times:



ProQuest via LAPL


September 22, 1912, Los Angeles Times:



ProQuest via LAPL


The Chester Place Apartments is called the Chester Arms in the descriptions of the following undated LAPL photos.
The 23rd Street entrance is on the left:



00026768 at LAPL


This is the entrance on Estrella:



00026769 at LAPL


Here's the living room of one of the units. The electrical outlets seem to be up on the wall, judging from the lamp cords:



00026766 at LAPL


This shows a dining room at the Chester Place Apartments (LAPL has two other interior shots, 00026764 and 00026765,
but I thought these were the best two). I hope whoever lived here liked wicker furniture:



00026767 at LAPL


Estrella entrance, August 2016:



GSV


These attractive tiles don't appear to be in the vintage photo:



August 2016 GSV


The 23rd Street entrance also had its portico removed:



August 2016 GSV


The blurry words are The and rather:



August 2016 GSV
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Thanks for yesterday's follow-up, GW. I had a feeling that you'd know more about the Wilshire Boulevard locations.


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Here's part 2 of Julius Shulman's "Job 4714: Krisel/Shapiro Associates, miscellaneous buildings, 1971". The first building has signs for Blue Shield and 3M Business Products Center.



The second has a large RCA sign on the roof, and a Remington Rand sign nearer to street level.



Both from Getty Research Institute

The first building is now Royal Plaza at 3407 W 6th Street. Its neighbor to the left can be added to our growing list of light-colored buildings which have recently received a much darker paint job - in this case, dark gray rather than black.


GSV

The second building can be found at 1730 W Olympic Boulevard.


GSV

In the picture above, it looked like there may be a couple of survivors beyond the parking garage on S Burlington Avenue, so I took the Googlemobile to find out. Have we seen these before? The house on the left is 1030 S Burlington Avenue, and the one on the right 1036. The property websites date them at 1923 and 1900 respectively.


GSV

The next two houses, 1046 and 1050 S Burlington Avenue, are both dated at 1900 by the property sites (do they just say 1900 when they don't know?). 1046 (left) looks distinctly more original than 1050. Pictures at redfin.com show the inside of 1050 almost completely gutted.


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sure I've seen that drunk mannequin before



From 'The Circus'
This is great Joe. I didn't realize the ark was in Chaplin's 'The Circus' (I haven't seen the film in years)


Here's a bit of info:

Noah's Ark was designed and built by Leroy Raymond and installed at Venice Pier, California in 1919.


www.cardcow.com


Raymond filed a Noah's Ark patent application on May 26, 1920.

patent illustration (?)

http://www.latimes.com/travel/themep...505-story.html





Raymond's patent led to numerous Noah's Arks across the country. (and in England)

from Clementon Park, N.J.

http://www.gadvoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2340.0




Here's a great photographed of the Noah's Ark at Old Orchard Beach, Maine [c.1956]


http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-noa...-24735834.html
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I believe there is only one ark still operating. It's located at Kennywood in West Mifflin, PA


https://www.kennywood.com/noahsark

note that the drunkard fishing from the deck is missing



His name was Ham at Playland amusement park in N.J..


detail

I wonder if he had a name at Venice's Noah's Ark?

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In the first photo you originally posted, E_R, it says HAM underneath the mannequin.

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I came across this 1970 photo of the Hollywood Bowl I don't recall seeing before.

Hollywood Bowl

I thought it might be for some specific production, but apparently the Bowl hired someone to help fix the Bowl's
acoustic problems and this was the horrendous result.


And, of course, then I found out Frank Gehry was responsible.

Hollywood Bowl

The Bowl history page says there was a "public outcry."

I don't doubt it.

Fortuantely there's also this handy warning guide:

Mapped: Every Building in Los Angeles Designed by Frank Gehry
https://la.curbed.com/2015/11/30/989...s-projects-map

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