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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 9:46 PM
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At various points in its life, this building at 700 North Main Street has been close to both the iced tea stand on Alameda and the Terminal Annex building on East Cesar E Chavez which have been discussed recently. USC describes it as "Office / retail building just north of Union Station and the Plaza, R.F. Frans, & C.R. Irwin machine shop & electrical contractors". They date it as circa 1920/1930.


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HDL incorrectly title this picture as "Macy and Alameda Streets". Macy Street, the old name of East Cesar E Chavez Avenue, is where the bus is turning, but it's North Main Street that dominates the picture (Alameda is just out of shot to the left). This picture shows the building above in June 1956 - not long before demolition.




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This picture does show the intersection of Macy and Alameda Streets. The building on the far right is on Ord Street. Next to the utility pole is what looks like another of the railroad signal bases recently identified by Wig-Wag.


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FredH previously posted details of this picture in post #21450. It shows the same view as the picture above, and is described as "A Standard Oil Station replaces a block of slums." Again, the Ord Street buildings can be seen on the right. HDL has a great picture of these buildings here and FredH found a demolition picture in post #21190.


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Today there's still a gas station on the corner, but not much else has been left behind.


GSV

Before I saw today's picture of the Chevron Station, I kind of figured it was that corner. It's interesting that Standard/Chevron still maintains a station on that site today, but not all that uncommon for oil companies to hold onto a piece of land like this for decades. I like old station better, by the way.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 9:48 PM
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The California Fireproof Storage Co Building at 2800 West Pico now seems to belong to Extra Space Storage. The text above the mural says "We are each of us angels with one wing. We can only fly embracing each other."


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I think I can just make out the old house behind the storage building on Chuckaluck's 1929 picture.


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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...Extra Space Storage. That area has changed minimally since these older pictures were taken.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 10:01 PM
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Chin, Thanks again for letting me remember about the studios on Sunset and the others. I attended T.V. shows at both CBS and NBC in the early 50's thanks to an Aunt who took me to every attraction in L.A. there was. Later I attended one of the dance party T.V. shows on KHJ as a teen in late 50's. After NBC was torn down they left the Guard Shack still standing on the Vine St. parking lot entrance. I worked for Grant Parking for a while and used that as the office for that lot. Even then I thought it was crazy to tear that beautiful building down. I will have to venture down to Hollywood and see how things have changed, it will not be a happy trip.
The destruction of NBC Radio City would have been criminal today. I am glad today that we have a better idea of repurposing these great buildings for modern needs. We're seeing that with Columbia Square and will be seeing it with the Aquarius which is being integrated into something new and a few others. So many buildings were lost that any kind of walk through is a bit of a downer. At least you had the guard shack. I know that's gone now.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 10:24 PM
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Undated. 2432 Hyperion Avenue. Exterior view of the 'Good Ship Grace,' the offices of Haven of Rest Radio Studio.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012885.jpg


http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/00/71/83/14_big.jpg

http://historian4hire.com/images/haven.jpg
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 10:36 PM
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I'm sure you're thinking of Lucas Kiddie Land (AKA Beverly Park), which coincidentally I mentioned this morning in my post about "The Hot Dog Show".

Maybe Childrens Paradise was some little corner of Kiddie Land? This photo has been posted on our thread before, but what the heck. Mom and dad took us kids here once or twice and the place became a little family joke. When we took any sort of family vacation or road trip my dad would often quip on the drive home "Do you wish we'd gone to Kiddieland instead?"


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics27/00063268.jpg
LAPL states that "Lucas Kiddie Land was located at 2521 Riverside Drive in Silver Lake, the park was owned by J.L. Lucas." Makes me wonder whether it wasn't confused with Beverly Park at Beverly and La Cienega.


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originally posted by ChuckaLuck




pre-code cinema

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5...orParis2.1.jpg

-the stylized O between Fifi's legs is a tad bit disconcerting.
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Street work alongside the Union Station Post Office Annex.


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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 10:56 PM
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The Engstrum Apartments far left and the Sherwood Apartments far right in 1930.
In the center is the very beginning of the wonderful art deco Edison Building.


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below: A short time later, still showing the Engstrum and Sherwood Apartments.


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below: The Engstrum Apartments in the shadow of the Edison building.


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A Los Angeles Times article dated June 6, 1930 partially reads, "Attended by scores of officials and employees, and marking the thirty-fourth anniversary of the incorporation of the West Side Lighting Company, predecessor of the Southern California Edison Company, the great corner-stone of the Edison company's limit-height office building at Fifth street and Grand avenue was laid yesterday by John B. Miller, chairman of the board of the company. The cost of the new building, now well on the way to completion and which will be one of the most imposing structures on the West Coast, together with the value of the site, is estimated at approximately $3,575,000." Mr. Miller is the gentleman on the right, hat in one hand and holding a silver trowel in the other.

1930 Edison Cornerstone
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2014, 11:07 PM
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I DID FIND A PHOTO OF IT.



Let’s review… A hundred years on one corner of Hollywood & Vine, give or take a decade or two! A look at the buildings on the Northwest Corner of Hollywood & Vine.
(…and also a look at billboards through the years!)

(1887)

This is an 1887 map, produced by the town’s founders, the Wilcoxes. Hollywood and Vine is the small circle in pencil.



You’ll notice the streets were originally named Prospect and Weyse Avenues.

(1907)
(one source lists the photo c. 1903, another 1907) – Weyse Ave. (Vine Street) headed north into the hills from Prospect Ave. (Hollywood Boulevard). The home of
George Hoover is on the far left and the Bartlett residence is at the right. The empty field in right foreground is now the Pantages Theatre.
LA Public Library Image Archive

To give an idea of these homes, here’s a postcard view of the home of Jacob Stern, across the street on the Southwest corner (where the Broadway Dept. store is located).

Hollywood Photographs

Weyse was the first street to be renamed (Vine Street) and when Hollywood consolidated with Los Angeles in 1910 Prospect Ave. became Hollywood Blvd. and Hollywood & Vine was now on the map.

(1920)
Here’s a great 1920 aerial of the intersection. You can see that Jacob Stern’s home entailed a lot more land than George Hoover’s home across the street!
Hollywood Photographs

The building on the Southeast corner is a church that was built in 1903 and remained until 1923. In the following
aerial dated 1921 you can see it in the intersection of Hollywood & Vine (to the right of the street banner).

KCET

(1931)
By this 1931 aerial (facing northeast) we have the Equitable, Taft and Broadway buildings erected (lower right) in the intersection.
Hollywood Photographs

But Carl Laemmle’s vision of a 900 seat theatre and office tower on the Northwest corner was thwarted by the depression.
Instead, he opened the CoCo Tree Café and used the top of the building to advertise his Universal Pictures.

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(1932)
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(1936)
Here’s a 1936 shot of some filming in front of the restaurant. (Equitable Building in background.)


It seems that Lon Chaney’s ghost was reportedly seen sitting on a public bench at the corner of Hollywood and Vine, in front of the Coco Tree!

Story HERE.
(Story says corner was northeast, but someone corrects that in the comments.)
1939
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1963 - Looking west toward the Brousseau Mansion, 238 South Bunker Hill Avenue. Beyond the Brousseau, the house at 244 South Bunker Hill Avenue,
and the large brick building is the backside of the Alto Hotel, which fronted on 251-253 Grand Avenue. At lower left, a bit of the crenelated Lovejoy
Apartments, northeast corner of 3rd Street and Grand Avenue, can be seen with the Palace Hotel behind it.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...id/7648/rec/16


1961 - Bunker Hill mansions of South Bunker Hill Ave near 4th Street.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/6285/rec/1


1962 - Bunker Hill Avenue home close to 4th Street.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/7639/rec/5


1962 - The Salt Box had multiple units for rent to families or single tenants. House at 343 South Bunker Hill Ave once stood on the now cleared
vacant dirt lot south of the Salt Box.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/7656/rec/6


1963 - Wood frame buildings starting from the left at 251,245, and 241 South Bunker Hill Avenue.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/7649/rec/9


1957 - Located at 238 South Bunker Hill Ave, the Brousseau Mansion was built for Judge Julius Brousseau in 1878


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...id/6247/rec/12


1966 - Looking southwest on South Bunker Hill Avenue, the Castle at 325 South Bunker Hill Avenue with a bit of 333 South Bunker Hill Avenue seen behind it. The partially visible Statler Hilton (formerly the Hotel Statler) is in the far right distance at Wilshire Boulevard and Figueroa Street. Douglas Oil building is at Fifth Street and Figueroa Street.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...id/7679/rec/47


1957 - Victorian address was 256 South Bunker Hill Ave, middle dwelling at 603 West 3rd Street, and on the right the back end of the New Grand Hotel (formally the Nugent) at 257 South Grand Avenue. The large brick background building was the Alto which fronted 253 South Grand Avenue.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...id/6249/rec/17


1963 - Standing at the cleared site of 239/241 South Grand Avenue, looking up at the backside of the Brousseau Mansion, 238 South Bunker Hill Avenue.
244 South Bunker Hill Avenue is next door to the left.


http://cdm16003.contentdm.oclc.org/c...id/7646/rec/34
1962
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Looking down the Third Street steps towards the Sunshine Apartments at 421 W. Third Street (left). The headline for the Los Angeles Times issue on the steps (lower right) reads, "Kennedy Begins Talks with Adenauer Today."

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102810.jpg


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A woman named Rose pets a cat near the steps of her home at 246 S. Bunker Hill Avenue.
1962 or 1964
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102791.jpg


Hotel Sawyer Apartments, located at 327 S. Hope Street
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102809.jpg

221 S. Olive Street
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Looking east across S. Olive Street, showing, from left to right, the Casa de Don León Apartments, a parking lot, three apartment houses, the Midway Apartments at 314, and another parking lot
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00102/00102806.jpg


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Here's an intriguing glass negative/Los Angeles.

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Note the street sign at far left. As hard as I try I can't make it out.




Here's the duo, a bit closer






below: Here's the best clue....there's a name on the cowboy's waist band. Happy William? Happy Willie?


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..and here's the woman up close. She doesn't appear to be too thrilled at being lassoed.


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And here's the street sign again, slightly larger.


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Maxine, Chiquita and Shirley


1936

ebay








I located a Maxine Tullose in the 1940's census/aged 18 yrs.


http://www.census.gov/en.html

..but that makes her only 14 when she was posing for the Elks.

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Hello wonderful noirish Los Angeles Forum! I discovered this thread weeks ago with a Google image search and have been slowly making my way from page ~180 to 400 and have realized it will take months to get to the current postings this way so I will join you on page 1112 now and begin working my way backwards while staying current hoping to eventually read every post and view every picture.

I was born in Los Angeles but only spent my teen years on the West Side. I unfortunately have no personal pics to share, but I have a keen interest in the entire history of LA, the movie industry, and the noir era. I hope to eventually make some contributions here.

I'm very impressed with what I've seen so far.

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Wondering...

While looking at some recent postings with Pacific Electric Red Cars in them I was wondering why more Hollywood films of the 30's, 40's and 50's didn't make use of them, specifically, or use them as atmosphere at the very least? Off the top of my head I can't even think of a film with a scene that takes place on one? (Although I can think of a couple that use Angel's Flight.)
I've noticed that private autos and other vehicles often seem to be preferred as TV and film settings. In Seinfeld, for example, even with the four main characters living in NYC, they almost always were shown getting around the city by driving. Perhaps a train or bus set is more difficult for the actors and cinematographers to work with, besides the fact that a public transit based scene usually needs extras to portray other people on the train, in order to be realistic.

In more recent films and commercials I've seen the Metro quite a bit, although here too this often happens mainly because it's needed as a plot device (e.g. Speed, Collateral, etc.).
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I never knew about the one in Silver Lake, but we always used Kiddieland to mean the little amusement park that used to be about where Beverly Center is today. It wasn't until considerably after I'd outgrown it that I realized it was officially known (or had been known) as Beverly Park. BTW, Beverly Park is now the name of a very expensive gated community near Mulholland Drive.

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LAPL states that "Lucas Kiddie Land was located at 2521 Riverside Drive in Silver Lake, the park was owned by J.L. Lucas." Makes me wonder whether it wasn't confused with Beverly Park at Beverly and La Cienega.


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Hello wonderful noirish Los Angeles Forum! I discovered this thread weeks ago with a Google image search and have been slowly making my way from page ~180 to 400 and have realized it will take months to get to the current postings this way so I will join you on page 1112 now and begin working my way backwards while staying current hoping to eventually read every post and view every picture.

I was born in Los Angeles but only spent my teen years on the West Side. I unfortunately have no personal pics to share, but I have a keen interest in the entire history of LA, the movie industry, and the noir era. I hope to eventually make some contributions here.

I'm very impressed with what I've seen so far.

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Welcome, Andrea! I know what you mean about wanting to catch up, but also stay current. Multiple pages of content are added most days, so I suggest you check in every day if you can. I'm going to be traveling next month and anticipate falling behind...but am looking forward to catching up when I get back to my computer.
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Welcome to the thread Andrea. -so glad you found noirish Los Angeles.
Thank you for the welcome(s). I noticed as I was going through the early pages that there were continually new pages added and that even if I skipped over posts where the photos were missing I was not making much headway toward being current. Often I had a good reply for what I was reading but realized it was years old and a reply was pointless.

There was a guy who said he was archiving all the pages, files and photos on his local machine. Is that still being done? Is there any way to access this or is it uploaded to a cloud anywhere as a back-up to the back-up? I understand there would be copyright issues if it were on the web where it could be indexed by search engines but if it were stored as data that wouldn't occur.

Long ago as a child, even before the internet was a part of the public consciousness, I envisioned an archive where all photos could be accessed by location and date and that Los Angeles, because it was so commonly used as a movie location since 1913, would be the richest such place. Now it seems likely that such an index is not only likely within my lifetime but that this very thread would be a part of it and that ethereal_reality and others here were dreaming similar dreams to mine. Certainly powerful bots will exist in the future that can fill in the blank spaces with likely images and a visit to the past will be possible. Is such a project happening now?
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Here's a Downtown building which I don't think we've seen before. USC call it "The old Pacific Indemnity Building at the southeast corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Hope Street", but I think that's the company that owned it. The City Directories list it as the Pacific Finance Building at 621 S Hope, and signage seems to back up this name. According to emporis.com, it was finished in 1925 and had 13 floors above ground and 2 below. To the left is the 1949 General Petroleum Building/Mobil Oil Building. On the far left is the Rex Arms. The picture is fairly vaguely dated at circa 1950/1969. I think I can spy a 1956 Pontiac and a 1959 T-Bird among the cars parked outside (I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong ).


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I had to go for an aerial view to do justice to the building that stands on the site today: the AON Center. Returning to emporis.com for information, the new tower was built in 1973 and has 62 floors above ground and 5 below. At over five times the height of the old building, it rather dwarfs its neighbor which is now known as the Pegasus Apartments.


Google Maps

Returning to the first picture, the building on the right is the Acacia Hotel with the California Club just peaking out behind. FredH posted a color picture of the Acacia looking down 6th Street in post #19311. Here's a better view of the hotel's front from 1965 (the Pacific Finance Building would've been just off to the left.


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HDL also has this shot of the Acacia with an advert for the S.S. France on the side. This was taken from a similar angle to the black & white picture above, and includes a bit of the Pacific Finance Building on the left and the California Club in the background again. Immediately behind the lamp post on the right is the University Club which I covered in post #20363. The first picture in that post also includes an overhead view of the Acacia.


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Finally, USC has a small photoset of a damaged 1939 Plymouth coupe (their identification). The pictures were apparently commissioned by Pacific Indemnity and were taken in the parking lot between the Pacific Finance Building and the Acacia Hotel. A portion of the Richfield Building is visible in the top left corner.


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It's not strictly historical as California didn't use embossed lettering, but I liked the embossing so much I had them make it this way.
That is one beautiful sign. Congratulations.
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