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[pegster]

Originally Posted by lotw_wpg

Never been to these cities except Detroit. Is it that bad downtown?

As was said above, downtown Detroit and the surrounding neighborhoods (Midtown, Corktown, Eastern Market), have undergone substantial revitalization since the dark days post-bankruptcy. Having been there several times in recent years, it seems like something we could only hope for.

Detroit's problems are deeper but further out, in the vast nothingness that used to be residential neighborhoods, and are now empty lots and burned out homes.

[rdaner]

I know that it can be tempting to compare Canadian and American cities but be very careful as it is a bit of apples and oranges. Yes Pittsburgh has seen investment in the core but it is government driven and the city and region are losing population. Same with Detroit which has seen impressive numbers compared to where they were but remember the level that they started from.

Don't forget that Winnipeg's overall stats are very good as it has much higher density overall all than most US metros as well much more stable finances. Don't let a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington fool you into thinking that many US metros are anything but severley disfunctional disasters that are not addressing core problems. I speak from experience as my siblings live in once great Northeastern US metros whose problems embarrass them and if it wasn't for the money they make there would move back tomorrow.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by rdaner

I know that it can be tempting to compare Canadian and American cities but be very careful as it is a bit of apples and oranges. Yes Pittsburgh has seen investment in the core but it is government driven and the city and region are losing population. Same with Detroit which has seen impressive numbers compared to where they were but remember the level that they started from.

Don't forget that Winnipeg's overall stats are very good as it has much higher density overall all than most US metros as well much more stable finances. Don't let a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington fool you into thinking that many US metros are anything but severley disfunctional disasters that are not addressing core problems. I speak from experience as my siblings live in once great Northeastern US metros whose problems embarrass them and if it wasn't for the money they make there would move back tomorrow.

The revitalization of Detroit and other US "rust belt" cities is more than "a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington". Much of D/T Detroit's revitalization is privately funded. Here's a small sample of what's currently happening in 2024: https://www.detroitchamber.com/major...ng%20in%202024.

When major retailers like Target, Nike, H&M, Lululemon, Whole Foods, etc. are setting-up shop in a city's D/T, it's a vote of confidence. Though Detroit has a long ways to go, it has come far from when it hosted the Superbowl in 2006 when D/T abandoned buildings and broken windows were hidden by banners. One unique fact about Detroit is that it is the only city in North America to have its four major sports teams play within its downtown.

[BKB]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

The revitalization of Detroit and other US "rust belt" cities is more than "a few fancy downtown projects funded by Washington". Much of D/T Detroit's revitalization is privately funded. Here's a small sample of what's currently happening in 2024: https://www.detroitchamber.com/major...ng%20in%202024.

When major retailers like Target, Nike, H&M, Lululemon, Whole Foods, etc. are setting-up shop in a city's D/T, it's a vote of confidence. Though Detroit has a long ways to go, it has come far from when it hosted the Superbowl in 2006 when D/T abandoned buildings and broken windows were hidden by banners. One unique fact about Detroit is that it is the only city in North America to have its four major sports teams play within its downtown.

Pittsburgh? The Twin Cities sort of qualify.

[pegcityboy]

Pittsburgh only has the 3 major sports , no NBA and Minneapolis has Twins , Vikings and Timberwolves downtown with the Wild in downtown St. Paul .

[Justanothermember]

Soooooooo, how about the Sutton Hotel finally recommencing construction!

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

Soooooooo, how about the Sutton Hotel finally recommending construction!

Announcement of some sort today?