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Old Posted Dec 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
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http://tennis.com/articles/templates...=2939&zoneid=4
Atlanta to acquire Indianapolis ATP event
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got to feel for indy tennis fans however the question is has atlanta grown enough to support a pro tennis tournament
That's actually huge.

One of the many mysteries of ATL is how we could be probably the biggest tennis city in the country and not have a pro tournament.

Nice to see a win for Atlanta.

Though mid-July in Atlanta will be rough...

I just hope it's not in Stone Mountain which sorta isn't Atlanta.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2009, 7:36 PM
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ATLANTA CRIME DOWN 12% IN 2009

of course, this is pennington staking claim to a safer city on his way out, but nonetheless, i thougt this was an amazing feat:

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“We are proud of our murder statistics,” Pennington said. “The 75 murders are the lowest we have had in 40 years. In 2002, when I came, we had 167 murders.”
Murders as of December 15th, 2009:

2009 Total: 75 (Down 55% From 2002)

2002 Total: 167

2009 Population: 534,000

Murder Rate per 100K: 14
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2009, 8:38 PM
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That's actually huge.

One of the many mysteries of ATL is how we could be probably the biggest tennis city in the country and not have a pro tournament.

Nice to see a win for Atlanta.

Though mid-July in Atlanta will be rough...

I just hope it's not in Stone Mountain which sorta isn't Atlanta.
the other place it could be held Racquet Club of the South, which has indoor courts as well as one stadium court, is in norcross which is in gwinnett and is in a location not serviced by gct
     
     
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2009 Total: 75 (Down 55% From 2002)

2002 Total: 167

2009 Population: 534,000

Murder Rate per 100K: 14
I haven't seen the statistics but it seems to me there are a lot more murders going on out here in the suburbs these days than in the city limits.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2009, 4:28 PM
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It's back: Pro men's tennis event returns to Atlanta in July

finally some official news
http://www.ajc.com/sports/it-s-back-pro-244574.html
joanscreek is one of the prospective sites thats even farther out than norcross is i wonder where the other two sites are

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^ sadly I think that the 3 would be:

Johns Creek
Norcross
Stone Mountain

then people will complain that locals didn't show.

and what a crummy experience for visitors. what hotel would they even stay at for any of those.

would love to see a stadium built ITP. it's not hard to build a tennis stadium.
     
     
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^ yep.


johns creek - atlanta athletic club


norcross - racquet club of the south


stone mountain tennis center (recently purchased by gwinnett co, which plans to tear the stadium down)

of these three, the last has a stadium that compares most favorably with what the tournament will be leaving behind in indy - stadium - but i too would prefer to see something new built somewhere in-town. interestingly, the article mentioned the previous tournament, which actually played up in johns creek in what seems to be quite a dinky little stadium.
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2009, 3:26 AM
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the footprint for each of these sites is moderately large, but it's not unthinkable that something similar could be constructed in-town.

just tossing out a few potential areas/imho:

fort mcpherson redevelopment
hapeville ford redevelopment
near turner field
UAC or GTech
GWCC/Ga Dome (probably just the finals stadium)

i would imagine the ROI on these sites would require a steady stream of national/international tournaments and/or sponsorships to support an intown location......corporate sponsorships is one of the areas the article mentioned specifically, but in today's environment who knows.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2009, 4:17 PM
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^ yep.


of these three, the last has a stadium that compares most favorably with what the tournament will be leaving behind in indy - stadium - but i too would prefer to see something new built somewhere in-town. interestingly, the article mentioned the previous tournament, which actually played up in johns creek in what seems to be quite a dinky little stadium.
i noticed there seems to be a university near indiana's stadium
ga tech or ga state would love to be thrown a bone,stadium, cause gt doesnt have a stadium at their tennis facility they have indoor courts, and gsu doesnt even have a tennis facility on campus, their team plays at bitsy grant and bitsy doesnt have a stadium either

ps mainpage for tournament:atlantatennischampionships.com.
edit-gsu will play at piedmont park aswell as the newly completed rockdale tennis center in conyers this year

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^ good point about GSU.

i could see a GSU/community stadium and maybe try to host college and junior tournaments.

but they are crazy if they think they are going to have a successful tourney at some country club in the middle of nowhere.

a good portion of the crowd will be non-tennis people who will be like "I know Andy Roddick. This might be fun to go to...Oh. Johns Creek. Fuck it."

and the players are not going to want to traipse from the Ritz to the outskirts of the region. they'll just skip it and it will weaken the draw.

i know they need to just make it happen this year but it will be discouraging if they don't seriously look at brining it ITP.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2009, 5:34 PM
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^ good point about GSU.

i could see a GSU/community stadium and maybe try to host college and junior tournaments.

but they are crazy if they think they are going to have a successful tourney at some country club in the middle of nowhere.

a good portion of the crowd will be non-tennis people who will be like "I know Andy Roddick. This might be fun to go to...Oh. Johns Creek. Fuck it."

and the players are not going to want to traipse from the Ritz to the outskirts of the region. they'll just skip it and it will weaken the draw.

i know they need to just make it happen this year but it will be discouraging if they don't seriously look at brining it ITP.
Boy, you nailed it. Looks like GSU is trying to grow their tennis program:
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/Vi...CLID=204859329

I wonder if the other half of the block with the new science buildings would be big enough for a stadium? It's right by the Sloppy Floyd buildings and MARTA station.
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2009, 6:20 PM
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also heres some seating stats
Indianapolis Tennis Center's Stadium~10,000
Stone Mountain Tennis Center's Stadium~8,000
Atlanta Athletic Club's Stadium~2.500
Racquet Club of The South's Stadium- unknown but less than 2,500

the last year of the Indanapolis saw attendance around 41,000 which was less than half its highest at 90,000+
the last year of atlantas old tournament was ~74,000 and ~70,000 the year before,over 9 days, which is pretty high considering how small the stadium was

what do you guys think the 2010 attendance would be bye venue please take into account that what ever venue is chosen will have shuttle service during the main days of the tournament.
     
     
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Well we went to see some friends this afternoon and stopped by the old Roxy Theater, which is being totally renovated from the ground up. Looks like it is going to be very nice.
     
     
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Andres Duany says opposition to density is the biggest problem with city planing and we have seen that here in Atlanta. But you have to wonder if government planners are supposed to force people to accept things they don't want.

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"Citizen participation in the planning process is probably the biggest roadblock. If you ask people what they want, they don’t want density. They don’t want mixed use. They don’t want transit. They don’t even want a bike path in their back yard. They don’t want a grid that connects, they want cul-de-sacs. They can’t see the long term benefits of walkable neighborhoods with a greater diversity of housing types."

Andres Duany on Smart Growth
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2009, 4:28 PM
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Andres Duany says opposition to density is the biggest problem with city planing and we have seen that here in Atlanta. But you have to wonder if government planners are supposed to force people to accept things they don't want.
Duany does not advocate forcing people into something they don't want. From the article, he states:

"...there are still the 30% who are really happy with their cul-de-sacs and McMansions and long commutes. And because one-third of Americans explicitly like things the way they are, you cannot eliminate that option. Reform doesn’t work when you try to exterminate conventional suburbia. To be more effective, all you need to do is level the playing field and then let the market operate."

Leveling the playing field means offering livable urban density in Atlanta to those who want it. The market conditions will show how much is too much density.

The sad fact is that there is very little of the kind of smart-growth density that Duany advocates in Atlanta. We have density in the form of behemoth, gleaming condo towers, but so many of those buildings do not exist in a real, livable neighborhood with a full range of walkable, street-level amenities and diverse transit options for commuting. They're the condo-tower version of a cul-de-sac suburb in that they exist in an island that requires car dependency.

Atlanta needs to offer livable, dense neighborhoods in or near the urban core that are true examples of Duany's (and others') smart-growth ideals -- the kind of neighborhoods that can be found in most other large cities. Atlanta needs this for its own health as a diverse, vibrant city and also to remain competitive when attracting talent.
     
     
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Well that is a really good post, reet. I would have to agree with everything you said.
     
     
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well said reet.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2009, 5:23 PM
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Duany does not advocate forcing people into something they don't want. From the article, he states:

"...there are still the 30% who are really happy with their cul-de-sacs and McMansions and long commutes. And because one-third of Americans explicitly like things the way they are, you cannot eliminate that option. Reform doesn’t work when you try to exterminate conventional suburbia. To be more effective, all you need to do is level the playing field and then let the market operate."

Leveling the playing field means offering livable urban density in Atlanta to those who want it. The market conditions will show how much is too much density.

The sad fact is that there is very little of the kind of smart-growth density that Duany advocates in Atlanta. We have density in the form of behemoth, gleaming condo towers, but so many of those buildings do not exist in a real, livable neighborhood with a full range of walkable, street-level amenities and diverse transit options for commuting. They're the condo-tower version of a cul-de-sac suburb in that they exist in an island that requires car dependency.

Atlanta needs to offer livable, dense neighborhoods in or near the urban core that are true examples of Duany's (and others') smart-growth ideals -- the kind of neighborhoods that can be found in most other large cities. Atlanta needs this for its own health as a diverse, vibrant city and also to remain competitive when attracting talent.
Interesting observations. Another way of looking at a set of solutions to what is a global problem,ie increasing urban population density, is to consider that with the advent of the second decade of the 21st Century, there will be some dramatic demographic changes that will impact how and where people live in Atlanta.

Number one is the fact that the population is getting younger. Atlanta attracts within the urban core-downtown,Midtown and the adjacent neighborhoods- a younger population who are not as constrained in their choices as the previous genration. Whether it is by race, gender preference or education, these people will have the opportunity to choose from another set of varibles to live by,without infinging on the others to make different choices. In Atlanta in will no longer be a case of either/or as live in the city and deal with "crime" or live in the suburbs and be "secure". the newbies will demand security in the city and urbanity in the suburbs.

Another factor in this changing landscape is the effect that the economic conditions are having on the developers who have driven Atlanta's urban expansion in the past. Cousins,Portman and Post Properties are still significant players but no longer have exclusive domain over the direction of Atlanta's future growth and development, especially in the urban core. Who ever can successfully build to suit the new Zeitgeist, will have the opputunity to reshape not only Atlanta's future but as Atlanta has been a leader in the urban policy of sustainable communities, they will gain national and international exposure as well.
So, while things may not appear to be as bright on Atlanta's urban development agenda as some would prefere, the rotund soprano has not yet performed.
     
     
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Cool photo

Next time you go to Mellow Mushroom, pick up their free wall calendar. The back two pages are a large photo of their first store. Interesting shot of Midtown from the sometime after the Bellsouth tower was constructed.
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Gwinnett Transit and even Marta could save a ton of money substituting marshrutkas (aka share taxis or jitneys) for big-ass buses on their less-frequented routes/times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshrutka
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