HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 1:24 AM
unusualfire unusualfire is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Cincinnati,OH San Diego,CA Alamosa, CO
Posts: 2,029
New 2013 MSA and CSA definitions.

There will be some happy and unhappy campers. lol

Anyway.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf


Some big notables Cleveland-Akron-Canton are now a single CSA.

Indianapolis is taking up half of Indiana now.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #2  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 1:39 AM
Jonboy1983's Avatar
Jonboy1983 Jonboy1983 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: The absolute western-most point of the Philadelphia urbanized area. :)
Posts: 1,721
Did I read that right about Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton CSA? It seems to include Indiana, PA as well. That would put the CSA population at over 2.65 million people.
__________________
Transportation planning, building better communities of tomorrow through superior connections between them today...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 2:03 AM
mhays mhays is offline
Never Dell
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 19,748
For those skittish about downloading pdfs due to the update thing, I didn't see a map.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 2:18 AM
dc_denizen's Avatar
dc_denizen dc_denizen is offline
Selfie-stick vendor
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New York Suburbs
Posts: 10,999
Would be more interesting to see the 2013 urban areas, since these are best at approximating what constitutes "city" in the North American context. Are these out?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #5  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 2:19 AM
unusualfire unusualfire is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Cincinnati,OH San Diego,CA Alamosa, CO
Posts: 2,029
I see Santa fe and Albuquerque are now a CSA. I bet their commuter rail helped that combination.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #6  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 2:43 AM
SpawnOfVulcan's Avatar
SpawnOfVulcan SpawnOfVulcan is offline
Cat Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: America's Magic City
Posts: 3,855
The Alabama rundown...

Birmingham CSA picked up a micro in Talladega (increase in pop, two counties)

Huntsville CSA picked up a micro in Albertville (increase in pop)

Daphne-Fairhope-Foley went from a micro to a metro.

Tuscaloosa MSA dropped Greene Co. for Pickens (increase in pop)

Enterprise-Ozark MicroSA split apart into two different micros.

Montgomery CSA doesn't exist anymore, as it lost Alexander City.

Anniston-Oxford MSA turned into Anniston-Oxford-Jacksonville (no change)


Those are all that I noticed.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #7  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 3:29 AM
fflint's Avatar
fflint fflint is offline
Triptastic Gen X Snoozer
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 22,207
*In a couple of cases, Bay Area MSA names have changed
*One new MSA has been added to the CSA
*While it's not immediately clear exactly what the new MSA populations are, the current population of the CSA is easy to tabulate.

I'll list the MSAs within the new San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA and also list the correlating 2011 Census Bureau estimates as found on Wikipedia

San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward - 4,391,037
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara -1,865,450
Stockton-Lodi - 696,214
Santa Rosa - 488,116
Vallejo-Fairfield - 416,471
Santa Cruz-Watsonville - 264,298
Napa - 138,088

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA - 8,259,679
__________________
"You need both a public and a private position." --Hillary Clinton, speaking behind closed doors to the National Multi-Family Housing Council, 2013
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #8  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 4:06 AM
seaskyfan seaskyfan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,751
Looks like Lewis County WA has been added to the Seattle CSA so it adds another 75K people to the CSA for a total of approximately 4.34 million. It also looks like Portland has a CSA now that runs from Longview, WA down to Corvallis, OR (including Salem, OR). The Seattle and Portland CSAs are now contiguous.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #9  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 4:54 AM
simms3_redux's Avatar
simms3_redux simms3_redux is offline
She needs her space
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,454
Jacksonville FL became a CSA for the first time. 2010 numbers. Would be interested to see how it stacks up against Nashville, Louisville, Birmingham, Memphis, Richmond, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Hartford, etc (I think Nashville is actually in a higher/larger league, but it wasn't too long ago that it was the same size)

Jacksonville MSA
Duval County - 864,263 - 774 sq. mi. - 1,117 ppsm
St. Johns County - 190,039 - 609 sq. mi. - 312 ppsm
Clay County - 190,895 - 601 sq. mi. - 318ppsm
Nassau County - 73,314 - 652 sq. mi. - 112ppsm
Baker County - 27,115 - 585 sq. mi. - 46ppsm

Subtotal - 1,345,626 - 3,221 sq. mi. - 418ppsm

Palatka Micropolitan Statistical Area
Putnam County - 74,364 - 722 sq. mi. - 103ppsm

St. Mary's, GA Micropolitan Statistical Area
Camden County - 50,513 - 630 sq. mi. - 80ppsm

TOTAL - 1,470,503 - 4,573 sq. mi. - 322ppsm
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #10  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 5:47 AM
SlidellWx's Avatar
SlidellWx SlidellWx is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 1,551
Finally...New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond CSA. The CSA also now includes the Picayune Micropolitan area. Hammond is also now a metro area, and New Orleans metro added St. James Parish back into the fold. The New Orleans CSA basically just increased by around 200,000 people. Huge gain, and more truly reflects the commute patterns of the past decade.
Using Census 2012 Numbers

New Orleans-Metairie Metropolitan Statistical Area

Jefferson Parish - 433,676
Orleans Parish - 369,250 (7.4% growth since 2010!)
St. Tammany Parish - 239,453
St. Charles Parish - 52,681
St. John the Baptist Parish - 44,758
St. Bernard Parish - 41,635
Plaquemines Parish - 23,921
St. James Parish - 22,722

Subtotal - 1,227,096

Hammond Metropolitan Statistical Area

Tangipahoa Parish - 123,441
21.7% Cross-Commuter Flow

Picayune, MS Micropolitan Statistical Area

Pearl River County - 55,295
21.7% Cross-Commuter Flow

Bogalusa, LA Micropolitan StatisticalArea

Washington Parish - 46,670
21.4% Cross-Commuter Flow

New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond Combined Statistical Area

Population Total - 1,452,502
__________________
Slidell, LA...The Camellia City

Last edited by SlidellWx; Mar 17, 2013 at 1:49 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #11  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 6:24 AM
SpawnOfVulcan's Avatar
SpawnOfVulcan SpawnOfVulcan is offline
Cat Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: America's Magic City
Posts: 3,855
Are there really any true criteria for CSAs? While Birmingham picked up Talladega, I'm still wondering why it still hasn't picked up Tuscaloosa.

Maybe I've just been oblivious (which isn't likely) till now, but it seems like it should've already happened..
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #12  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 7:02 AM
Rail Claimore's Avatar
Rail Claimore Rail Claimore is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Dallas
Posts: 6,230
Quote:
Originally Posted by quattordici View Post
The Alabama rundown...

Birmingham CSA picked up a micro in Talladega (increase in pop, two counties)

Huntsville CSA picked up a micro in Albertville (increase in pop)

Daphne-Fairhope-Foley went from a micro to a metro.

Tuscaloosa MSA dropped Greene Co. for Pickens (increase in pop)

Enterprise-Ozark MicroSA split apart into two different micros.

Montgomery CSA doesn't exist anymore, as it lost Alexander City.

Anniston-Oxford MSA turned into Anniston-Oxford-Jacksonville (no change)


Those are all that I noticed.
So Birmingham and Huntsville are widening their lead over the rest of the state?

EDIT:

Looking through the list now:

Atlanta picked up Athens and Calhoun? That's a huge pick-up of at least 200K. The area's now flirting with 6 million.

And it's about time El Paso and Las Cruces were combined.
__________________
So am I supposed to sign something here?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #13  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 8:15 AM
SlidellWx's Avatar
SlidellWx SlidellWx is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 1,551
For Tuscaloosa to be included in the Birmingham CSA...it would need to have a 15% cross-commuter flowrate of all workers between the respective MSA's. The current number is 8.3%. 1.4% of all workers residing in B'ham's MSA work in Tuscaloosa's MSA, and 6.9% of all workers residing in Tuscaloosa's MSA work in B'ham's MSA.
__________________
Slidell, LA...The Camellia City
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #14  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 8:40 AM
Rail Claimore's Avatar
Rail Claimore Rail Claimore is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Dallas
Posts: 6,230
Metro Atlanta has indeed cracked 6 million, using 2011 Census estimates:

Atlanta-Athens-Clarke County-Sandy Springs, GA CSA

Athens-Clarke County, GA MSA
Clarke 117,344
Madison 27,921
Oconee 33,366
Oglethorpe 14,686
Total: 193,317

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA MSA
Barrow 69,912
Bartow 100,421
Butts 23,504
Carroll 111,159
Cherokee 218,286
Clayton 261,532
Cobb 697,553
Coweta 129,629
Dawson 22,459
DeKalb 699,893
Douglas 133,355
Fayette 107,784
Forsyth 181,840
Fulton 949,599
Gwinnett 824,941
Haralson 28,638
Heard 11,744
Henry 207,360
Jasper 13,885
Lamar 18,194
Meriwether 21,617
Morgan 17,961
Newton 100,814
Paulding 143,542
Pickens 29,415
Pike 17,751
Rockdale 85,765
Spalding 64,033
Walton 84,580
Total: 5,377,166

Calhoun, GA µSA
Gordon 55,621

Cedartown, GA µSA
Polk 41,211

Gainesville, GA MSA
Hall 183,052

Jefferson, GA µSA
Jackson 61,257

LaGrange, GA µSA
Troup 67,764

Thomaston, GA µSA
Upson 26,977

Total: 6,006,365

Atlanta MSA lost Putnam County but added Morgan County.
Valley, AL µSA was taken away.
Athens-Clarke County MSA, Jefferson µSA, and Calhoun µSA were added.

Fulton and Gwinnett Counties have received the bulk of the area's growth since 2010.
__________________
So am I supposed to sign something here?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #15  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 8:54 AM
unusualfire unusualfire is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Cincinnati,OH San Diego,CA Alamosa, CO
Posts: 2,029
Miami is a CSA now. 39 counties for Atlanta? Ridiculous!! It will be interesting to see how many counties drop off once gas hits $6-$7 a gallon.

Last edited by unusualfire; Mar 11, 2013 at 9:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #16  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 8:57 AM
LMich's Avatar
LMich LMich is offline
Midwest Moderator - Editor
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Big Mitten
Posts: 31,745
Only a few notable changes in Michigan:

1. The Detroit CSA seems to have picked back up Lenawee County (pop. 99,892 in 2010) after having lost the county in 2000, which brings it back up to 5,318,744 at the 2010 Census, a small gain from the previous iteration of the CSA at 5,218,852. I believe that Lenawee barely missed the cut in 2010. Macomb, Oakland and Wayne remain the only three core counties.

2. The biggest change is that the Grand Rapids MSA has finally been realigned to reflect more of its urban area growth. It loses rural Newaygo (pop. 48,460) to the north and Ionia (63,905) to the east, but picks up more urban Ottawa County (263,801) and rural Montcalm (63,342) to the immediate northeast. I'm not sure, but the redefined metro may actually have a net loss in land area, but the population for the 2010 Census increases to 988,938 from 774,160.

The CSA is redefined with a population of 1,379,237 from 1,321,557. Allegan and Muskegon counties and the redefined Grand Rapids MSA are joined by two micropolitan areas: rural Ionia (just kicked out of the MSA) and rural Mecosta to the northeast, the only new county in this entire equation.

3. Battle Creek MSA and Kalamazoo MSA finally combined for the Battle Creek-Kalamazoo-Portage CSA with a 2010 population of 462,735. This is the only new CSA.

4. Midland micropolitan area is finally added to Saginaw's MSA to form the Saginaw-Midland-Bay City CSA with a 2010 population of 391,569. This up from the former definition of 307,940, which didn't include the Midland micropolitan area.

5. Niles-Benton Harbor MSA in Michigan is added to South Bend, Indiana's CSA.
__________________
Where the trees are the right height

Last edited by LMich; Mar 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #17  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 9:14 AM
unusualfire unusualfire is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Cincinnati,OH San Diego,CA Alamosa, CO
Posts: 2,029
Portland-Salem at 3 million?

Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Columbus, Kansas City, Indianapolis all passed Cincinnati at the CSA level..

Last edited by unusualfire; Mar 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #18  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 11:07 AM
dimondpark's Avatar
dimondpark dimondpark is offline
Pay it Forward
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Piedmont, California
Posts: 7,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by fflint View Post
*In a couple of cases, Bay Area MSA names have changed
*One new MSA has been added to the CSA
*While it's not immediately clear exactly what the new MSA populations are, the current population of the CSA is easy to tabulate.

I'll list the MSAs within the new San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA and also list the correlating 2011 Census Bureau estimates as found on Wikipedia

San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward - 4,391,037
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara -1,865,450
Stockton-Lodi - 696,214
Santa Rosa - 488,116
Vallejo-Fairfield - 416,471
Santa Cruz-Watsonville - 264,298
Napa - 138,088

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA - 8,259,679
I added them up last week when the commuter data wad released and Stockton's commuter rate to the Bay Area went from 12% in 2000 to 18% in 2010. I actually see Stockton combining with the SF msa by 2020 because of the fast rate of commuter growth btwn Stockton and the 925 area code. 25% doesnt seem that unreasonable anymore.
__________________

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."-Robert Frost

Last edited by dimondpark; Mar 11, 2013 at 12:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #19  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 1:03 PM
pizzaguy pizzaguy is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 347
Quote:
Originally Posted by fflint View Post
*In a couple of cases, Bay Area MSA names have changed
*One new MSA has been added to the CSA
*While it's not immediately clear exactly what the new MSA populations are, the current population of the CSA is easy to tabulate.

I'll list the MSAs within the new San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA and also list the correlating 2011 Census Bureau estimates as found on Wikipedia

San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward - 4,391,037
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara -1,865,450
Stockton-Lodi - 696,214
Santa Rosa - 488,116
Vallejo-Fairfield - 416,471
Santa Cruz-Watsonville - 264,298
Napa - 138,088

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland CSA - 8,259,679
Back in the top five! Suck it, Boston!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #20  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 2:04 PM
Evergrey's Avatar
Evergrey Evergrey is offline
Eurosceptic
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 24,339
Quote:
Originally Posted by unusualfire View Post
There will be some happy and unhappy campers. lol

Anyway.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf


Some big notables Cleveland-Akron-Canton are now a single CSA.

Indianapolis is taking up half of Indiana now.
'

Wow. Did not see that coming.

It's kind of a weird corridor of cities... where Akron is linked with Cleveland to the north and Canton to the south (Akron-Canton is often marketed as a region separate from Cleveland)... but to lump Canton in with Cleveland... seems like a bit of a stretch. A 60 mile stretch. It seems these CSAs are extending so far to be almost meaningless... approaching the size of the BEA's Economic Areas.


Quote:
Originally Posted by unusualfire View Post
Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Columbus, Kansas City, Indianapolis all passed Cincinnati at the CSA level..
A good example of why the CSA level is mostly bunk. (Bay Area excluded)
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > City Discussions
Forum Jump


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 2:16 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.