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Old Posted Apr 27, 2024, 12:42 AM
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Names I like that haven't been added yet (or maybe won't ever be) that a realistic (so no Ligers lol):

Utah Shredders
Utah Summit
Utah Goblins (after Goblin Valley)
Utah Hoodoos
Hoodoos is legit cool
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2024, 1:13 AM
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I feel like team branding and name has at least a little bit of an effect. Or for at least a small group of people. I am a hater type person but I will never acknowledge RSL or attend despite me liking soccer because I think the name is so ridiculous for an American League (im aware many us cities have this issue but the important part is not all).

As for hockey, I always liked the impossible name 'utah raptors' or 'Rocky Mountain raptors.' it would be so obvious and amazing had it not been for toronto
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2024, 1:14 AM
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Team name and branding really don't have anything to do with that team's following, it's a mixture of history, success, community outreach and the market itself. The LA Chargers have no following in Los Angeles, and a change in team name and branding wouldn't do a bit of difference. The New Orleans basketball team was the Jazz, then they got the Hornets, then they now have the Pelicans name... They're not any more or less popular as the Pelicans as they are the Hornets, just depends on the success of the team.

People here won't decide to support or not support the team based on the name or branding. They may choose to buy less or more merchandise based on that, but the overall support of the team has nothing to do with the name. You'll support the players if you like them, or if they're winning.
I mostly agree with you that people don't choose teams because of branding. (Although, I disagree that it makes no difference. It absolutely does.) My point is that when someone is a fan of a particular team, long-term, what are they actually a fan of? The Raiders are a good example here. They haven't been good for over 20 years, the players, coaching staff etc. has changed and they have even changed markets yet, there are allot of passionate Raiders fans. Even outside of Nevada.

My point is that the "team" people are a fan of, is the branding and not the literal team (Unless the team is really good.) A bad team name may not prevent Utahans from being fans (although it may prevent them from wearing their colors) but it is literally the team's identity and deserves serious thought and discussion.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2024, 1:18 AM
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Names I like that haven't been added yet (or maybe won't ever be) that a realistic (so no Ligers lol):

Utah Shredders
Utah Summit
Utah Goblins (after Goblin Valley)
Utah Hoodoos
Both Goblins and Hoodoos are kind of cool and very unique to Utah (although not this part of the state.)

Shredders is okay. I'm not a fan of Summit.
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As someone who won't even attend games and is only speaking on the branding.. I'm all in on the Goblins name.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2024, 5:32 PM
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Big story in the SL Tribune on the arena plans... Here are some highlights (the article is VERY lengthy so even the highlights below are lengthy):

In particular, the plan primarily involves city blocks east of the arena, the current primary tenant of which is the Salt Palace Convention Center. Salt Lake County owns the center’s 515,000 square feet of exhibition space, along with the land the center is placed on — placing the county, too, at the heart of negotiations about the sports district.

Multiple versions of a revitalization plan have circulated among government officials. Most involve a massive downsizing of the convention center, allowing room for the development of Smith’s entertainment district, which would include housing, retail, offices, hotels and restaurants.

Some versions of the plan include reopening 100 South, which is currently covered by the Salt Palace between West Temple and 200 West, as a pedestrian walkway.

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The county also owns the land which includes Abravanel Hall and the Utah Museum of Contemporary Art. Some versions of the Smith group plans see significant changes, renovations or even new buildings entirely for those cultural centers. Abravanel Hall turns 45 this year, and some see the concert hall as potentially needing reconstruction or movement.

Also pointing toward these blocks: this year’s omnibus liquor bill, HB548. It creates a “designated project area zone” of three blocks between South Temple and 100 South from West Temple to 400 West. There, Utah’s laws prohibiting bars near community locations will no longer apply beginning May 1.

A source familiar with the negotiations said that loosening of liquor laws just blocks from Temple Square and LDS Church headquarters would not have been possible without sign-off from Utah’s predominant faith.

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But Salt Lake County Council member Jim Bradley is concerned by the potential changes he’s seen and heard — mostly due to its potential impact on the arts buildings in those blocks.

“Tearing down stuff because it is in the way is not something you just do willy-nilly. Take the example of Abravanel Hall: That would be a tragedy to tear that down and build it somewhere else,” he said. “Some people are saying, ‘Well, it needs more in rehab than what it would take to tear it down and rebuild it.’ Well, that is developers talking, ‘There’s that building that’s in my way.’

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Dugan also hoped to see other areas surrounding the Delta Center improved as part of the project, which could prove difficult. To the north lies land owned by the LDS Church, including the Triad Center and the Park Place parking lot — land that the faith has so far proved reluctant to include in any development plans, saving it for its own use. To the south lies recent development, including two new hotels and an apartment complex.

The Gateway mall stands to the west, but Gateway representatives told The Tribune that Smith had not approached them about the property.

Overall, Smith compared the feel of his preferred entertainment district to that of L.A. Live, the sports and entertainment district in downtown Los Angeles. Built from 2007 to 2009, L.A. Live is located next to the Los Angeles Convention Center and Crypto.com Arena, home of the NBA’s Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, and the NHL’s Kings.

To understand the project, Smith said he and “a few” city and public officials toured L.A. Live in the past month. There, they saw the district’s restaurants and bars, concert halls and movie theaters, and hotel and condominium towers on 27 acres.

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That in-arena renovation will be significant, but not at first. This summer, the Smith group plans to make only minor improvements and adjustments to the Delta Center.

For the NHL’s previous preseason games at the arena, it hosted a capacity of about 11,000 fans with mostly unobstructed views. For NHL hockey this October, the team will install bleachers in the corners that add approximately another 1,000 seats. Officials also believe they can open up about 4,200 additional seats — though they have not yet decided whether they will, believing it might impact the overall experience for those fans.

New NHL locker rooms must be constructed for the home and away teams, and other various small changes made to the arena to allow NHL games to regularly be played. But overall, no major changes are expected. The arena also hosts more than 20 significant public events this offseason, such as the Utah Jazz’s summer league, concerts from varied artists like Blink-182, Olivia Rodrigo and Stevie Nicks, and comedy shows from Jo Koy and Kevin James.

Further construction would be in the offseasons to come, but the Smith group wants to wait until the plans are finalized outside of the arena to reveal those inside of it.

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Smith, in his news conference, teased “new technologies” that he believed could create a quality NHL viewing experience with improved sightlines for hockey — while maintaining the Delta Center’s trademark NBA experience. That new technology is expected to involve the arena’s seat risers, which may be able to adjust to different settings, depending on the sport being played.

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The city’s first in-public interaction with the plan comes May 7, when Smith Entertainment Group representative Mike Maughan will present details to the council. That discussion will also involve council members sharing their concerns and key decision points on the project.

Then, on May 21, a public hearing on the agreement is scheduled to take place. The council is tentatively scheduled to vote on the district agreement and tax increase July 2.
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So is the plan to still to renovate the Delta Center? That seems like a fool's errand when a hockey rink is so much bigger than a basketball court and upper-deck sightlines for hockey won't be that great unless the building is physically expanded. At which point, just build a new arena and use the DC as a temporary home until the new place is built.
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So is the plan to still to renovate the Delta Center? That seems like a fool's errand when a hockey rink is so much bigger than a basketball court and upper-deck sightlines for hockey won't be that great unless the building is physically expanded. At which point, just build a new arena and use the DC as a temporary home until the new place is built.
No the plan is the Delta Center as the permanent home... the real problem is the lower bowl, but I guess in that article they reference technology that can change how the retractable seats can be configured; so maybe they'll replace all the lower bowl seating so they can fit the same number of rows for basketball and hockey, but for hockey the angle of the seats will be more steep, and for basketball they'll extend out farther. I don't think they have any plans for the upper levels, at least to start with. But also sounds like it's going to be multi-year project since they can only work in the spring and summer each year.
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A: permanent practice facility for NHL team to be built in sandy.
B: plans for downtown revitalization and DC renovations should be revealed tomorrow
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“SEG’s plans include building a state-of-the-art NHL practice and training facility on the 111 acre site at The Shops at South Town. SEG will release more details about construction plans and the facility’s layout and configuration at a later date,” Smith Entertainment Group shared in a statement. “The practice facility will include a minimum of two NHL-regulation ice surfaces for the team, as well as a best-in-class locker room, training, recovery and medical spaces, and a commercial kitchen. The building will also serve as the team’s official offices.”

https://kslsports.com/516542/utah-nh...lity-location/
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“SEG’s plans include building a state-of-the-art NHL practice and training facility on the 111 acre site at The Shops at South Town. SEG will release more details about construction plans and the facility’s layout and configuration at a later date,” Smith Entertainment Group shared in a statement. “The practice facility will include a minimum of two NHL-regulation ice surfaces for the team, as well as a best-in-class locker room, training, recovery and medical spaces, and a commercial kitchen. The building will also serve as the team’s official offices.”

https://kslsports.com/516542/utah-nh...lity-location/
Lots of open parking lot and some empty lots on the outskirts to build on, curious where exactly it'll be built. To have it ready for the season after next I'd assume they're going to have to start construction pretty quickly.
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The ambiguity in the release on the practice facility is kind of irritating as it would stand to reason that they would have to largely know what part of the land they would be building on. The part where they said they are "committed" to the Shops at South Town and working to ensure that it continues “to be a vibrant and integral part of the community"... that is a pretty wide berth of possible interpretations on what that area will look like. So many possibilities on improving it as it is an incredibly inefficient use of a prime area.
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“SEG’s plans include building a state-of-the-art NHL practice and training facility on the 111 acre site at The Shops at South Town. SEG will release more details about construction plans and the facility’s layout and configuration at a later date,” Smith Entertainment Group shared in a statement. “The practice facility will include a minimum of two NHL-regulation ice surfaces for the team, as well as a best-in-class locker room, training, recovery and medical spaces, and a commercial kitchen. The building will also serve as the team’s official offices.”
If we had to put this kind of thing out in the suburbs, South Towne seems like one of the best places. There's already Real Salt Lake, the Hale Center Theatre, decent public transit connections, and some good shopping nearby. There's also TONS of parking that can and should be redeveloped for such a facility.
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If we had to put this kind of thing out in the suburbs, South Towne seems like one of the best places. There's already Real Salt Lake, the Hale Center Theatre, decent public transit connections, and some good shopping nearby. There's also TONS of parking that can and should be redeveloped for such a facility.
Was just reading up on some old news about the Seattle Kraken and their almost parallel path to a training facility, on the site of an old mall that is being completely reimagined. They built 3 ice sheets (plan here is for 2) because I think there were 0 hockey rinks in the city of Seattle before, but they built seating for 1,000 fans at the main rink, restaurant/bar overlooking it, plus all of the player amenities like training and meeting space, offices, auditorium etc. But whole mall site was being redeveloped into mixed-use, including retail. Facility has secure entrance on the back side for players, but if you look on a map the property is adjacent to a Bed Bath & Beyond.

Golden Knights arena was built in Summerlin and then the new AAA ballpark was built next door. 2 rinks, capacity for 600 fans, plus all team offices and training.
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Was just reading up on some old news about the Seattle Kraken and their almost parallel path to a training facility, on the site of an old mall that is being completely reimagined. They built 3 ice sheets (plan here is for 2) because I think there were 0 hockey rinks in the city of Seattle before, but they built seating for 1,000 fans at the main rink, restaurant/bar overlooking it, plus all of the player amenities like training and meeting space, offices, auditorium etc. But whole mall site was being redeveloped into mixed-use, including retail. Facility has secure entrance on the back side for players, but if you look on a map the property is adjacent to a Bed Bath & Beyond.

Golden Knights arena was built in Summerlin and then the new AAA ballpark was built next door. 2 rinks, capacity for 600 fans, plus all team offices and training.
This is actually great to know. Shows a precedent for this kind of move and I could definitely see this being a great community center without taking anything away from downtown. Kind of like Real Salt Lake’s Herriman center. Extends the footprint and creates almost a Millcreek Commons type locale while still keeping the team downtown. Also Southtown is a phenomenal location as far as where it sits in the valley for this kind of thing. I was weary but knowing other franchises have done similarly is settling.
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This is actually great to know. Shows a precedent for this kind of move and I could definitely see this being a great community center without taking anything away from downtown. Kind of like Real Salt Lake’s Herriman center. Extends the footprint and creates almost a Millcreek Commons type locale while still keeping the team downtown. Also Southtown is a phenomenal location as far as where it sits in the valley for this kind of thing. I was weary but knowing other franchises have done similarly is settling.
Yah I wouldn't read anything into the location of the practice facility; Vegas built theirs way out in Summerlin which is the west end of the valley there. They want to extend the reach of influence for the team.

Honestly, it would be amazing if they also rebuilt the Jazz practice facility in the same place and created a more public aspect to it.
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