Lost buildings due to NYC's recent skyscraper boom - Page 3

sfcity1 · #41 Posted **Apr 20, 2007, 5:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by STERNyc

My laugh out loud moment of the day.

I second that laugh. It is another example of a greedy developer having his way. His favorite architectual design was the John.

fountainhead · #42 Posted **Apr 20, 2007, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

That's true. While it doesn't mean that everything needs to be ripped down, we can't remain trapped in the past. Imagine if 1oo years ago nobody could build anything because people wanted to preserve every structure. I'm of the opinion that the builders of today have every right to leave their mark on the City as the builders of yesterday. The only time I'm stuck in is the present. Let the people 100 years from now look back on what was created when I walked the earth. Whether critical or positive, it won't change the status of the stamp of our time.

I don't look at it that way. It's not an issue of being trapped in the past. It's an issue of a building's or neighbrohood's continued successful functionality. I think only when it's obvious that these two entities have outlived their usefulness can we consider replacing them.

I am also disheartened to see the Hotel Pennsylvania go. It's a handsome, solid building and the area will be left that much poorer with fewer hotels adjacent to Penn Station.

zerokarma · #43 Posted **Apr 20, 2007, 9:35 PM**

Interesting thread

dl3000 · #44 Posted **Apr 21, 2007, 6:22 AM**

How do they demolish those behemoths to make way for new ones? I can't believe they can do it without imploding those things, amazing. Any pictures of the skyline with all these new WTC buildings in?

NYguy · #45 Posted **Apr 21, 2007, 11:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by fountainhead

It's an issue of a building's or neighbrohood's continued successful functionality. I think only when it's obvious that these two entities have outlived their usefulness can we consider replacing them.

I am also disheartened to see the Hotel Pennsylvania go. It's a handsome, solid building and the area will be left that much poorer with fewer hotels adjacent to Penn Station.

It's exactly for the reasons you stated that these buildings are demolished. There's a reason so many older buildings in NY have been converted to residential, and it's not the housing shortage. As far as outliving usefulness, anything can be used for something. The building replacing the hotel may include a hotel itself. (Likewise, the area and the rest of the City is experiencing a hotel boom - new and modern rooms that won't result in lawsuits for its owner). Penn Station is the busiest transportation terminal in the country, the most accessible and centrally located terminal in the tri-state area. It should have been a solid commercial core for the City years ago, but things are just now starting to change. The Pennsylvania Hotel that stands now is not the same hotel of years ago. Preservationists don't even care to save it.

If you want old for old's sake, just walk around Manhattan. The older buildings outnumber the new to the point there's no comparison.

lawsond · #46 Posted **Apr 22, 2007, 10:25 PM**

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A city is very much a living organism, constantly changing. As sad as the loss of many of those buildings may be, the city can't become a museum of itself, or it will die. And that would be a greater loss.

this is true but you have to be careful.
equating preservation with atrophy is a north american phobia.
european cities do it and thrive. they are both museums and very much alive.
viruses are organic too...but they destroy wantonly and then the body suffers or dies.
had new york continued on its manic wrecking spree and lost grand central as it did penn stn., the city would have suffered immeasureably.
the singer bldg. was another unecessary loss.
organic growth is not necessarily positive.

NYguy · #47 Posted **Apr 23, 2007, 9:37 PM**

APRIL 22, 2007

Another one soon to go...

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DizzyEdge · #48 Posted **Apr 24, 2007, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by lawsond

this is true but you have to be careful.
equating preservation with atrophy is a north american phobia.
european cities do it and thrive. they are both museums and very much alive.
viruses are organic too...but they destroy wantonly and then the body suffers or dies.
had new york continued on its manic wrecking spree and lost grand central as it did penn stn., the city would have suffered immeasureably.
the singer bldg. was another unecessary loss.
organic growth is not necessarily positive.

You're both right really. A city can't be a museum, and you'd hate for a city to be a frozen snapsnot from 1912. Developers should be able to put their mark on a city and create new 'best of an era' for today, however there is something to be said for guiding that redevelopment away from 'best of an era' from the previous eras. I'd hate for the remaining examples from an era of building to be mediocre examples because the best were demolished.

Perklol · #49 Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 5:34 AM**

1.The Drake Hotel was demolished in 2007 to make way for 432 Park Avenue.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...749032584.html

Image of 432. Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=177316

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:43..._rendering.jpg

2.The Western Exchange building was razed in 2013 to make way for a 22 Thames. Cross post --

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I'm referring to the Annex. Its a quite beautiful building. I'm no NIMBY, I just think that buildings with such character should be preserved. There are plenty of development sites in the immediate neighborhood.

(The light brown one in the foreground is marked for demolition):

22 Thames Street (78 Trinity Place) will replace said building once it's completed in Spring 2017. Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=189153

3. A series of buildings were razed on 57th Street to make way for One57.

One57 topped out as of April 2014.
Thread:http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=161764

Credit: Nyguy

Credit: ILNY

4. 701 Seventh Avenue is being razed for the Times Square Marroitt Hotel.

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Renderings of the Times Square Gateway Marriot
Thread:http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=202008

Perklol · #50 Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 5:47 AM**

delete. ^ info is in one post

Perklol · #51 Posted **Apr 21, 2014, 6:02 AM**

1. 516 West 34th Street will be razed for 50 HY near the Hudson Blvd.

Image from fellow forumer ILNY

The office building revealed in December 2013. Completion date: 2019

Thread:http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=208111

50 HY at left, 55 HY at right
http://www.yimbynews.com/2013/12/rev...son-yards.html

2. Five Pointz will be razed for a two-tower complex in Long Island City.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2012...two-high-rises

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013...-5-pointz-plan

Renderings of the tower complex as of 2013. Thread:http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=200245

http://licpost.com/2013/10/09/5-poin...pecial-permit/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/ny...&emc=rss&_r=2&