City Revival Thread

[galleyfox]

The problem I always have with moving van statistics is that it mostly excludes the ages when most people relocate across the country - the college years.

I moved from SW Florida to Chicago after college. Almost everybody my age left the state after high school because of the abysmal career (and dating) prospects. And despite its spring break reputation as a college student Mecca, Miami is considered by young Floridians as the place of the mid-life crisis. Tampa and Orlando are more appealing by far to resident students, but they don’t have that big city excitement.

Chicago
Median age - 34.9
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...00-chicago-il/

0-9: 11%
10-19: 11%
20-29: 18%
30-39: 17%
40-49: 12%
50-59: 12%
60-69: 10%
70-79: 6%
80+: 3%

Ft. Myers
Median Age - 43.5

0-9: 12%
10-19: 10%
20-29: 12%
30-39: 12%
40-49: 10%
50-59: 12%
60-69: 15%
70-79: 9%
80+: 7%


Naples
Median Age - 66.2

0-9: 4%
10-19: 5%
20-29: 6%
30-39: 4%
40-49: 6%
50-59: 14%
60-69: 21%
70-79: 23%
80+: 19%

Miami
Median Age - 40.5
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...5000-miami-fl/

0-9: 10%
10-19: 9%
20-29: 13%
30-39: 17%
40-49: 14%
50-59: 13%
60-69: 10%
70-79: 7%
80+: 6%

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by galleyfox

The problem I always have with moving van statistics is that it mostly excludes the ages when most people relocate across the country - the college years.

I moved from SW Florida to Chicago after college. Almost everybody my age left the state after high school because of the abysmal career (and dating) prospects. And despite its spring break reputation as a college student Mecca, Miami is considered by young Floridians as the place of the mid-life crisis. Tampa and Orlando are more appealing by far to resident students, but they don’t have that big city excitement.

Chicago
Median age - 34.9
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...00-chicago-il/

0-9: 11%
10-19: 11%
20-29: 18%
30-39: 17%
40-49: 12%
50-59: 12%
60-69: 10%
70-79: 6%
80+: 3%

Ft. Myers
Median Age - 43.5

0-9: 12%
10-19: 10%
20-29: 12%
30-39: 12%
40-49: 10%
50-59: 12%
60-69: 15%
70-79: 9%
80+: 7%


Naples
Median Age - 66.2

0-9: 4%
10-19: 5%
20-29: 6%
30-39: 4%
40-49: 6%
50-59: 14%
60-69: 21%
70-79: 23%
80+: 19%

Miami
Median Age - 40.5
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...5000-miami-fl/

0-9: 10%
10-19: 9%
20-29: 13%
30-39: 17%
40-49: 14%
50-59: 13%
60-69: 10%
70-79: 7%
80+: 6%

The dating scene is pretty awful in a lot of places, based on anecdotes from friends, since many ambitious young people move away for college and don't come back (or only come back with a partner), leaving behind an overall less-desirable pool of potential partners.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by park123

Another thing I never got is why Caribbean and South American immigrants don't make it out to LA. If you're Brazilian or Dominican or Columbian, there are aspects of LA a lot closer to where you came from than Queens or the Bronx or Newark NJ. Is it distance? But you're flying anyway, and it's not like NYC is close.

I think people just go where there's an established community. I mean, why are Mexicans in LA? At first glance it seems a silly question, because the Mexican border is nearby, but Northern Mexico is mostly empty. And San Diego, right on the border, is much less Mexican than LA.

The main population center of Mexico, Central Mexico, is about the same flight-time from NY as from LA, yet Mexicans traditionally have come in huge numbers to LA, probably because of the gigantic existing community. And Chicago, nowhere near Mexico, has traditionally been the #2 American gateway city for Mexicans.

[Kenneth]

It seems like all cities are struggling right now, so the best thing to do is move to less expensive areas, and areas where jobs are.
Houston seems to be suffering from annual flooding issues that are worsening, Calif is extremely expensive and dealing with annual fires that are worsening, cities along both coasts are extremely expensive to live in.
I would think that the majority is going with whatever the trend is, that could be everybody staying put for several years, we wont know what the trend is until after the pandemic goes away.

[badrunner]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

looking into this PR/Hawaii thing and flights, i was kinda shocked to learn that, according to flightconnections.com, there are no non-stop flights from the western US to PR. dallas and minneapolis are apparently the westernmost and northernmost destinations in the US that you can fly non-stop to san juan from.

meanwhile, to honolulu, there are non-stop flights from boston and atlanta and everywhere else in the continental US.

i know hawaii is a state and PR is not, but with both of them being part of the US, i would have thought that, at the very least, there'd be non-stops to san jaun from LA, SF, and denver.

in fact, there are apparently no non-stops from anywhere in cali to the carribean. color me surprised.

maybe the carribean really is overwhelmingly a vacation destination for just eastern US people?

For Californians, Mexican beach resorts (best beaches in the North American mainland), Hawaii and the South Pacific are probably the premiere destinations for people seeking a tropical beach vacation. I've personally never been to the Caribbean but I have been to the South Pacific. It's only a couple of hours farther away. I'm not sure how accurate this is, just did a search for "direct flights from us to tahiti." Six nonstop flights! I'm kinda surprised at that myself.

Flights from United States to Tahiti

From Los Angeles
6 nonstop flights per day
· 8h 10m+
from $1,268

From San Francisco
1 nonstop flight per day
· 12h 45m+
from $4,409

From New York
1 stop flights available
· 16h 15m+
from $927

From Honolulu
1 stop flights available
· 19h 15m+
from $1,166

From Chicago
1 stop flights available
· 14h 10m+
from $1,417

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I think people just go where there's an established community.

This is how the state department decides on locations for refugee settlement.

[badrunner]

Originally Posted by LA21st

He is, lol.
https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-...-droves-report

The excerpts and testimonials in that article are gold

This one is great, if a bit outdated.

• Video Link

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by badrunner

The excerpts and testimonials in that article are gold

This one is great, if a bit outdated.

• Video Link

Haha.
Carlin lived in LA his last couple decades I believe.

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by park123

When you think about it it's kind of weird that there isn't more of a connection between Miami and LA. Yeah I know they aren't the same, but there are definite similarities, and LA people seem like they never go to Miami and Miami people never go to LA. I remember a Quintin Tarantino movie from the 90s that touched on that - forgot the name. Guy comes over for a visit to LA from Miami, and someone is proudly showing him around the beaches in SoCal, and he's like "yeah we have that"

Another thing I never got is why Caribbean and South American immigrants don't make it out to LA. If you're Brazilian or Dominican or Columbian, there are aspects of LA a lot closer to where you came from than Queens or the Bronx or Newark NJ. Is it distance? But you're flying anyway, and it's not like NYC is close.

There's a small Miami/ LA connection from I noticed growing up in South Florida. Friends of mine had family in both areas.

Also noticed a good amount of Jamaicans in SoCal. There's the main group that I felt made this place a bit similar to home, aside from very superficial stuff like the palm trees, Latino community, and good year-round weather.

As for the Caribbean, as someone already mentioned, it's the main tropical vacation destination for the whole East Coast. I've seen ads for Beaches and Sandals resorts in NYC, South Florida, even Montreal. For the West Coast, I'm guessing it's Hawaii, west coast Mexico, and the South Pacific.